Let's Discuss Poland

[DemonMaster]

Have you got anything to say or just mumbling crap like usual?

Why are you referring to a totally different post about a totally different topic? It is "stupid" to use arguments made in one discussion and try to link them to another totally disconnected one. If you want to debate, do it on your own merit.

Get it together.

This discussion is one of the most intresting in this forum in a long time, sorry that not all the participants know how to discuss and uses a "fool's defense" over and over again.

 

[LuKo]

Have you got anything to say or just mumbling crap like usual?

Why are you referring to a totally different post about a totally different topic? It is "stupid" to use arguments made in one discussion and try to link them to another totally disconnected one. If you want to debate, do it on your own merit.

Get it together.

Not like usual. I found that using arguments, when your opponent don't use them, is boring so I''l try to use "argument", just like you.

This discussion is one of the most intresting in this forum in a long time, sorry that not all the participants know how to discuss and uses a "fool's defense" over and over again.

It;s funny to read "Polish threads"- sometimes stupid Polish arguments (even I'm not sinless ) and mostly stupid arguments against them.

 

[Spearthrower]

Not like usual. I found that using arguments, when your opponent don't use them, is boring so I''l try to use "argument", just like you.

No LuKo... what you are doing is replying randomly to a totally different topic with a phrase from an earlier discussion to which you had no valid response.

We all know that feeling.... when you really want to make a cutting reply but your brain goes blank... and then 3 days later you have an epiphany and realise what you should have said.... all that you are doing now is days (weeks?) later, repeating something I said.... (in a totally different thread, about a totally different subject) as if it has some value to the point made here.

If you had used it in a way where it was actually related to the point at hand... it might have been cutting and valid.... but it's got nothing to do with this topic!! You are just trolling me, unsuccesfully.

You are making yourself look silly now, stop before you embarrass yourself further.


Edit: If you really can't live without trying to quibble with me over something then either a) Make a new thread to deal with that specific topic (i.e. stop trying to twist this one towards that one even when it has NOTHING to do with it).... or b) Feel free to PM me, I'd be happy to answer any of your questions there!

sometimes stupid Polish arguments (even I'm not sinless)

That has to be one of the most impressive understatements I have ever seen!!

 

[LuKo]

That has to be one of the most impressive understatements I have ever seen!!

If you would quote that:

stupid arguments against them.

and say that you aren't sinless too it would be more impressive understatement.

My post about Nazism was as OT and stupid as your (about Nazism in other thread).

an earlier discussion to which you had no valid response.

ROTFL!

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

Now you tell me if there weren't going to be 234679 threads about it, if America was not in the game?
I thought Americans were mostly known for their ultra-nationalism.
Of course, there is exceptions, such as you.

I wouldn't care if America wasn't in the game, however, to say that America doesn't have a place in Civ is sort of ludicrous.

DISCLAIMER: I do NOT agree with U.S. foreign policy of the last, oh say 60 years. I do not agree with the methods of globalization which U.S. companies engage in most of the time.

That being said, to deny that America is a major world power and empire, cultural, economic, and military, would be a gross misunderstanding. McDonalds all over the world, Nike, Dell Computers, tons of American companies have infiltrated hundreds of nations. Think of Rock n' Roll, how about Hollywood films? American culture is rampant as well.

I'm not flag waving here, I'm making a case for the placement of America in the game. If it wasn't there, I wouldn't really care. In 2+ years of owning the game, I've played as America maybe once.

ON TOPIC: Poland has not had this kind of influence ever. Is polka Polish? That's probably the one thing that has spread worldwide. Polka...

 

[bombel1979]

The difference between American guy and the guy from the civ which shouldn't ever be in any Civ is that the Pole knows where New Jersey is, but the American guy doesn't know that polka is a Czech dance. Ech, sweet ignorance...

 

[Swedishguy]

Thanks for the info. I didn't know all that! However, this is hardly enough to claim Imperial status in comparison to most of the other civs represented in the game, not to mention Europe is over-represented already. Almost a century of influential power in Europe does not contest to the power and influence displayed by the other European civs in the game. Besides, I imagine there are any number of other nations that could claim 80 years of superiority some time in their history.

I don't think that's the strongest time in Sweden's history. Instead, I'd say it was when Sweden ruled over western Russia. Sweden traded furs with the romans and got really rich. THAT'S the real golden age.

 

[LuKo]

ON TOPIC: Poland has not had this kind of influence ever. Is polka Polish? That's probably the one thing that has spread worldwide. Polka...

Polka is Czech Most spread worldwide thing is no communism (1920 Battle of Warsaw + Solidarnosc).

 

[sabo]

Now you tell me if there weren't going to be 234679 threads about it, if America was not in the game?
I thought Americans were mostly known for their ultra-nationalism.
Of course, there is exceptions, such as you.

Bush is the ultra-nationalist, don't let his example speak for us all. Some of my favorite games out side of civ DON"T have America in it, it doesn't bother me a bit. I like a little realism, personally playing as America in 3000BC doesn't make alot of sense to me.

 

[Spearthrower]

If you would quote that:


and say that you aren't sinless too it would be more impressive understatement.

Ahh yes, but I didnt claim it, you did.

My post about Nazism was as OT and stupid as your (about Nazism in other thread)!

No LuKo this has nothing at all to do with it.

I can only assume that you have difficulty reading English because you seem to persistently ignore the important parts of any conversation and latch onto others.

As you so totally refuse to stop taking this off topic, I will make sure that people can understand the situation.

The actual point I replied to in that previous thread made by you was..... and this is a paraphrase

"All world history and culture comes from Greece"

Now.... I said (paraphrased) - "be careful, because that is actually a reinterpretation of classical history by German philosophers and writers wanting to glorify whiteness and belittle black and asian cultures/history. The very same thinkers and writers that led to naziism."

Those were the first steps: first reinterpret someone's culture and assimilate it into your own - you rewrite history to rebalance it the way you want to read.

Then you sell that story to people through education and ultimately, in this case, through a fascist police state.

You can read more about this in "Black Athena" by Martin Bernal. It's a well known and interesting read straight from the reading list of any social anthropology course.


I didn't call you a nazi, I warned you that you were repeating the fallacies that the nazi philosophers created. If you took it to mean that I was calling you a nazi, then you were wrong, but I apologise anyway for not having worked out how to make you understand that.

While one could argue that Greece was the father of European culture, it is ridiculous to state that it is the father of African, Middle Eastern or Asiatic culture.... quite the other way round. As I stated in that other thread, the Greeks themselves considered themselves the scions of African and Middle Eastern knowledge. They traced their descent through the Phoenicians.

That is what is called an argument LuKo. I used facts and intepretations of facts to analyse a situation.

You on the other hand have dragged up a line which you took as offense perhaps because you misunderstood.... and then used it innappropriately in another thread, in a way totally disconnected to the topic matter and to the line you replied to.

I am not sure why you persist with this when you have already been offered to discuss this with me by PM.... or if you really want to be made a fool of in public, we can take it to another thread where you can make shallow, opinionated statements while I supply you with the names of books and authors you can read (or ignore as is clearly the case).

So what do you want to do LuKo? Keep ignoring the truth, or just take affront through misunderstanding and keep this silly objection going?

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

The difference between American guy and the guy from the civ which shouldn't ever be in any Civ is that the Pole knows where New Jersey is, but the American guy doesn't know that polka is a Czech dance. Ech, sweet ignorance...

This is why I asked if it was Polish. The fact that you know where New Jersey is furthers my point. Not only do I not have a clue if Poland has states or territories, but I have no clue what they are called. The fact that you know where a state like New Jersey (aka the armpit of America / the Garden State ) is presents my point perfectly.

 

[RedRalph]

As much as I loathe US govt, i dont think anyone with two brain cells to rub together could argue they shouldnt be in. Same goes for Yugoslavia

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

Polka is Czech Most spread worldwide thing is no communism (1920 Battle of Warsaw + Solidarnosc).

Thanks for the polka info . As to the no communism: Are you saying that the Polish spread non-communist thought around the world? I could swear that America took on the whole free market / democracy thing in the late 1700s AFAIK, England never accepted communism. Even though France has a socialist style economy, their government is a far cry from the communism of the early 20th century.

 

[bombel1979]

blitz, your assumptions and logic are wrong... sorry, but your education system is... hm, lets say that you focus on the elementary things
and that is why we know the difference between Nevada and Washington D.C and people from the West have problems with understanding the history of other regons then yours (just wondering how many school hours you were tougth about Polish history? and if none was it really a reason that Poland did nothing in last 1000 years?

when I was on a school visit in UK I was shocked that in the age of 14 your kids don't know things that are learned in Polish schools at the age of 10...

you should be glad that you can buy scientists from the poorer countries (we have great scientists but we are really poor in marketing innovations).

Im not talking that Poland was a great empire that is unknown by "the West". no that would be rubish, but I assume that your "fact basis" is not very broad... and if you don't have the knowledge how can you judge?

 

[Spearthrower]

when I was on a school visit in UK I was shocked that in the age of 14 your kids don't know things that are learned in Polish schools at the age of 10.

Things about Poland by chance?

I would be interested in some examples here as I am in the education business.

 

[RedRalph]

But unfortunately almost every nations schooling is biased. Ask a lot of people from Western Europe, even people in their 20s, who fought in WW2 and the USSR and China are regularly ommitted. Even though the majority of casualties in the war happened there. People who dont know, try and guess what % of Germans died on the Eastern front... then look it up

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

blitz, your assumptions and logic are wrong... sorry, but your education system is... hm, lets say that you focus on the elementary things
and that is why we know the difference between Nevada and Washington D.C and people from the West have problems with understanding the history of other regons then yours (just wondering how many school hours you were tougth about Polish history? and if none was it really a reason that Poland did nothing in last 1000 years?

when I was on a school visit in UK I was shocked that in the age of 14 your kids don't know things that are learned in Polish schools at the age of 10...

you should be glad that you can buy scientists from the poorer countries (we have great scientists but we are really poor in marketing innovations).

Im not talking that Poland was a great empire that is unknown by "the West". no that would be rubish, but I assume that your "fact basis" is not very broad... and if you don't have the knowledge how can you judge?

Ah, thanks for the flame. I'm so ignorant as to not know the great history of Poland. Forgive me for the horrible education system that our ridiculous leaders have put on our heads.

Your ******** flame doesn't change the fact that Poland HAS NO PLACE IN THIS GAME as per all my valid arguments and against all your BS flames.

Go back to school so your 3rd grade teacher can teach your 10 year old mind all the things that the rest of the ignorant world still doesn't know.

 

[Spearthrower]

But unfortunately almost every nations schooling is biased. Ask a lot of people from Western Europe, even people in their 20s, who fought in WW2 and the USSR and China are regularly ommitted. Even though the majority of casualties in the war happened there. People who dont know, try and guess what % of Germans died on the Eastern front... then look it up

Yes, I am sure that the same could be said vice-versa... there are plenty of things taught in high school in the U.K. that Polish people are never taught.

 

[RedRalph]

Undoubtedly. I'm often shocked at how you foreign dogs remain ignorant of the 1973 Charlie Haughey arms scandal

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

Does the rest of the world know about Jimmy Hoffa? Maybe you guys do, tho