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HRE baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
Yay, "Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe"![]()
It's just that I came back from Cambridge week ago, and people in England seemed to me to be very concerned about stating your bussiness shortly, without this "fenomenological fixation" which is so common about Poles. I mean - we like to talk a lot, delving deeper and deeper into problem. For them, it's like: yes or no. If you don't compell to that, you're just boring. It looked for me as if all they wanted is people not appearing boring to them. So I just generalized here that all Western people avert from reading too long responses (as stated in "Overload and Boredom: Essays on Quality of Life in the Information Society").
Unconquered Sun:
To wage war backthen all you needed was money, money, and then more money, and those with several colonies got plenty of money and since hired armies was used by all, and troops followed orders as long as payed, therefor i much doubt a Poland could touch Holland in power at that time, as Holland got extremely rich from around 1600 mainly due to trade and imported rare goods from colonies, think only the 3 big could touch them at that time.
It's because of that division in Europe - if you put one Central European country in, why not the others? Denmark, Hungary, Bohemia, Bulgaria (Austria I'm not counting in, because after all it's about civilization, so there is a German civilization already) -those were major cultures some day. Adding a Poland itself ofcourse would be questionable because of Lithuania - well, culturally it did polonise and later on rusify in large parts, but still... even if it's sorta' Austro-Hungarian, Spanic-Catalunyan, Franco-Occitan, Czecho-Moravian, Swedo-Finno-Denmarkian (?) type of question...
and blondey/browny haired Greeks!![]()
And it's Swedish-Norwegian-Danish... I think...
Damn, how could I forget about Norway? (I like their cinematography) Hm, still not sure whether there is some relation between Finns and Vikings (we had Vikings on Polish island of Wolin - one on Polish-German border, and probably somewhere in Mazury region).
I wrote Sweden only, as Finland was just a Swedish region for a lot of years.
Yep, but still no Sweden in civYou can say that Sweden is there because Vikings are. Then, question is if you can say that there is Finland because Finland was part of Sweden, which in differen time (not being Sweden back then
) was part of Viking Empire. So there could be Hungary even - as part of Austria, which was part of Germany 1938-45
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Because Sweden is more regionally representative than Denmark (The counterpart).
Or it could be named Kalmar...![]()
...and then again, Poland because of birdie mounts.
I say no Austria because of the HRE.
But then again, we're all represented by Ethiopia.![]()
Unconquered Sun:
To wage war backthen all you needed was money, money, and then more money, and those with several colonies got plenty of money and since hired armies was used by all, and troops followed orders as long as payed, therefor i much doubt a Poland could touch Holland in power at that time, as Holland got extremely rich from around 1600 mainly due to trade and imported rare goods from colonies, think only the 3 big could touch them at that time.
Unconquered Sun:
To wage war backthen all you needed was money, money, and then more money, and those with several colonies got plenty of money and since hired armies was used by all, and troops followed orders as long as payed, therefor i much doubt a Poland could touch Holland in power at that time, as Holland got extremely rich from around 1600 mainly due to trade and imported rare goods from colonies, think only the 3 big could touch them at that time.
not untill around 1800 some clever heads invented nationalism as we know it, pretty flags, songs, poems, glorified history etc etcso ppl would be more loyal and die for less pay than enemy offered, pretty smart that
Really, quit that Attila stuff, there weren't even Slavic people back then in Europe (that occured in VI cent).
Simply put - no.
It depends on what you call "known world". Also, mark that "controlling" is vague concept. You can control large portions of Earth - like Canada or Syberia virtually meaning nothing, because until second part of XIX century they were mostly unpopulated, or white bear populated, that's why there was no point for Poland in creating colonies, because Ukraine had better soil, was closer, easier to exploit and actually more successfull venue for some period of time (it's because of price rush in XVI century).
Anyhow, but, yea, the hired ones was prolly more unreliable, and often left early if odds began swing too much against them, however according to what i dusted up the swede army of gustavus adolphusII fex was upto 80% foreigners to illustrate how much it was sometimes used, and its potential
For example, perhaps black ink was simply easier to make than blonde ink.
(and Poland had a pretty good economy)
Remember, though, that conquest was difficult at this period by anyone, as defensive fortifications were very well developed, especially in the densly packed West.
likewise, the Poles would have trouble with the Dutch forts while the Dutch controlled the seas.
It is quite irrelevant whether they were slavic people or not. They were polish because Poland is a geographical definition. I find your definition of what is and what is not Polish history to be boderline racism, since i cannot think one good reason for your thinking. According to you, if LA undergoes a demographic shift due to mexicans marrying the rest, it'd make LA's history seperate from 1800s when it was a white town. Thats BS, really.
Thank you for the correction but my initial point still stands- Poland's political history hardly justifies the claim of being a part of biggest empire of mankind, except for the Russian vassalage period.
Well that shows a few things:
1. Polish people's definition of 'known world' was severely limited for its time
2. I agree with your definition of population based power projection (instead of simple land area) but by this definition, Poland falls even further- hell, entire Europe does, since for most of known history of mankind, India & China dwarves everyone else in population.
The author even mentions this 'blonde derogatory jokes' aspect being a key part of Greek military strategy as well: By repeatedly making derogatory remarks about blonde-ness at start of combat, they often got the 'barbarians from the north' to charge them in frustration.