Lets get to the bottom of this...

I think this is exactly it and it is perfectly compatible with Black Liberation Theology as taught Obama by Jerimiah Wright for 20 years.
Come on man, Obama went there for expressly political expediency. He didn't actually inhale.

Anyhow, this topic is loaded... the facts are, we are not going to get all the information we need to make a good decision. I often say where there is smoke, there is fire, but we can't be sure and condemn Obama for this.

As Lionel, I think, said... how would Obama benefit from the death of the diplomat?
Qui bono?
 
The issue here is incompetence rather than malevolence.
Only the "incompetence" appears to be squarely on the shoulders of what MisterCooper claimed were "2 US Navy SEALs", which were actually two ex-SEALs who were highly-paid mercenaries whose sole job was to protect Ambassador Stevens. If they had done that, instead of taking it upon themselves to leave the safe room, things may have turned out quite differently. They may all be alive today because it would have given Stevens the option of trying to leave the safe room instead of staying there.

What really seems to be the issue here is that the US military and the Obama administration decided to not overreact afterwards by deploying thousands of US troops in a mini-invasion of Libya. Since there have been no further casualties, and the Libyan people have even risen up against the attack, this certainly seems to have been a very wise decision on their part.

But this course of action couldn't have "saved" the people who were long dead. That is, unless the US government has been keeping it secret that they actually have discovered and implemented a teleportation device. The only thing that could have done that is if they weren't in Benghazi in the first place in such a lightly guarded compound. A compound which has apparently existed in the same condition for decades now.

But there is indeed "malevolence" here in the form of trying to turn this into a political controversy immediately prior to an election. And it isn't surprising in the least.
 
The "quotation marks" add so much cleverness, thanks for using them constantly.
 
The "quotation marks" add so much cleverness, thanks for using them constantly.
Not really. He's wrong on several key facts.

Only the "incompetence" appears to be squarely on the shoulders of what MisterCooper claimed were "2 US Navy SEALs", which were actually two ex-SEALs who were highly-paid mercenaries whose sole job was to protect Ambassador Stevens. If they had done that, instead of taking it upon themselves to leave the safe room, things may have turned out quite differently. They may all be alive today because it would have given Stevens the option of trying to leave the safe room instead of staying there.
Woods and Doherty were CIA operators at their annex 1 mile away. They ignored the stand down order in an attempt to save the Ambassador. Their actions were too late to save the Ambassador but reportedly his actions saved the lives of 30 people inside the consulate would not have made it out otherwise according to Sec. Clinton. I find it offensive that you would malign the memory of such heroes.
What really seems to be the issue here is that the US military and the Obama administration decided to not overreact afterwards by deploying thousands of US troops in a mini-invasion of Libya. Since there have been no further casualties, and the Libyan people have even risen up against the attack, this certainly seems to have been a very wise decision on their part.
The FBI was unable to get to the scene to investigate for weeks afterward due to security on the ground.
But this course of action couldn't have "saved" the people who were long dead. That is, unless the US government has been keeping it secret that they actually have discovered and implemented a teleportation device.
The last Americans didn't die until more than 6 hours after the attack began. More than enough time for support from Sigonella Air Base 480 miles away.
The only thing that could have done that is if they weren't in Benghazi in the first place in such a lightly guarded compound. A compound which has apparently existed in the same condition for decades now.
You seem to be unaware of the numerous requests for additional security at that compound that were denied. Why is that?
 
You seem to be unaware of the numerous requests for additional security at that compound that were denied. Why is that?
Incidentally:
Exclusive: Classified cable warned consulate couldn't withstand 'coordinated attack'

The U.S. Mission in Benghazi convened an “emergency meeting” less than a month before the assault that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, because Al Qaeda had training camps in Benghazi and the consulate could not defend against a “coordinated attack,” according to a classified cable reviewed by Fox News.

Summarizing an Aug. 15 emergency meeting convened by the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Aug. 16 cable marked “SECRET” said that the State Department’s senior security officer, also known as the RSO, did not believe the consulate could be protected.

“RSO (Regional Security Officer) expressed concerns with the ability to defend Post in the event of a coordinated attack due to limited manpower, security measures, weapons capabilities, host nation support, and the overall size of the compound,” the cable said.

According to a review of the cable addressed to the Office of the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Emergency Action Committee was also briefed "on the location of approximately ten Islamist militias and AQ training camps within Benghazi … these groups ran the spectrum from Islamist militias, such as the QRF Brigade and Ansar al-Sharia, to ‘Takfirist thugs.’” Each U.S. mission has a so-called Emergency Action Committee that is responsible for security measures and emergency planning.

The details in the cable seemed to foreshadow the deadly Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. compound, which was a coordinated, commando-style assault using direct and indirect fire. Al Qaeda in North Africa and Ansar al-Sharia, both mentioned in the cable, have since been implicated in the consulate attack.

In addition to describing the security situation in Benghazi as “trending negatively,” the cable said explicitly that the mission would ask for more help. “In light of the uncertain security environment, US Mission Benghazi will submit specific requests to US Embassy Tripoli for additional physical security upgrades and staffing needs by separate cover.”

As for specific threats against the U.S., the cable warned the intelligence was not clear on the issue, cautioning that the militias in Benghazi were not concerned with any significant retaliation from the Libyan government, which had apparently lost control in Benghazi. A briefer explained that they “did not have information suggesting that these entities were targeting Americans but did caveat that (there was not) a complete picture of their intentions yet. RSO (Regional Security Officer) noted that the Benghazi militias have become more brazen in their actions and have little fear of reprisal from the (government of Libya.)”

While the administration’s public statements have suggested that the attack came without warning, the Aug. 16 cable seems to undercut those claims. It was a direct warning to the State Department that the Benghazi consulate was vulnerable to attack, that it could not be defended and that the presence of anti-U.S. militias and Al Qaeda was well-known to the U.S. intelligence community.

In a three-page cable on Sept 11, the day Stevens and the three other Americans were killed, Stevens wrote about “growing problems with security” in Benghazi and “growing frustration” with the security forces and Libyan police. The ambassador saw both as “too weak to keep the country secure.”

Fox News asked the State Department to respond to a series of questions about the Aug. 16 cable, including who was specifically charged with reviewing it and whether action was taken by Washington or Tripoli. Fox News also asked, given the specific warnings and the detailed intelligence laid out in the cable, whether the State Department considered extra measures for the consulate in light of the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks – and if no action was taken, who made that call.

The State Department press office declined to answer specific questions, citing the classified nature of the cable.

"An independent board is conducting a thorough review of the assault on our post in Benghazi," Deputy Spokesman Mark Toner said in written statement. "Once we have the board's comprehensive account of what happened, findings and recommendations, we can fully address these matters."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...t-withstand-coordinated-attack/#ixzz2Aw07gAHi
 
Woods and Doherty were CIA operators at their annex 1 mile away. They ignored the stand down order in an attempt to save the Ambassador.
Say what?

They were mercenaries whose job was to bodyguard the ambassador:

WASHINGTON (AP) - The State Department has identified the other two Americans who were killed this week in the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said they were Tyrone S. Woods and Glen A. Doherty, former Navy SEALs who provided security at the consulate.

Woods since 2010 had protected American diplomatic personnel in posts from Central America to the Middle East. Clinton said he was a registered nurse and paramedic. He is survived by his wife, Dorothy, and three sons, Tyrone Jr., Hunter and infant Kai.

Doherty also was a paramedic and had protected Americans in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. He leaves his father, Bernard, his mother, Barbara, a brother, Gregory, and sister, Kathleen.

The two others killed were Ambassador Chris Stevens and Sean Smith.
It is just a shame they were apparently so incompetent that they didn't stay with him, instead of leaving the other two victims alone in the safe room. They all might be alive today.

I think it is clear you don't want "to get to the bottom of this" at all. You want to turn it into a witch hunt. This and other threads on this topic show that you aren't being objective about what occurred in the least, just like Fox News.

Eventually, the truth is going to come out about what actually occurred. Then we will see how accurate all these accusations based on sheer speculation and Monday morning quarterbacking actually were without even knowing some of the most basic facts, such as what Woods and Doherty even did for a living,

But that's not the real point. Is it? This is the Swift Boating of the current election. It doesn't really matter what the facts actually are if it can be used to sway the results.
 
Say what?

They were mercenaries whose job was to bodyguard the ambassador:
Do you ever stop lying?
Snippets from Lingering questions about Benghazi:
The Benghazi tragedy was amplified by Charles Woods, the father of slain CIA contractor Tyrone Woods.
The CIA did dispatch a quick-reaction force that night from Tripoli, with about eight people, but it had trouble at first reaching the compound. One of its members, Glen Doherty, died along with Woods when a mortar hit the roof of the annex about 4 a.m.
 
It's not lying... it's a point of view completely unscathed by reality.
 
For the record...
Spoiler :
Pentagon Has Full Confidence in Africom Commander, Little Says

By Army Sgt. 1st Class Tyrone C. Marshall Jr.
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Oct. 31, 2012 - Defense Department leaders remain fully confident in the commander of U.S. Africa Command, Pentagon Press Secretary George Little told Pentagon reporters here today.

Little said Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta and Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, maintain complete faith in the job Army Gen. Carter F. Ham is doing as Africom's leader.

"General Ham is doing an exceptional job leading Africa Command. He has the full confidence of the secretary of defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff," he said.

"His decision to retire has been an entirely personal decision to move on," Little said. "People retire at certain stages of their career and that's what's happening in this case."

President Barack Obama announced Oct. 18 his plans to nominate Army Gen. David M. Rodriguez to succeed Ham as leader of Africom, the newest combatant command, which is headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany. The command encompasses all of Africa and its adjacent waters except for Egypt.

The chairman dismissed alleged reasons for Ham's departure in an Oct. 29 statement.

"The speculation that General Carter Ham is departing Africa Command due to events in Benghazi, Libya, on [Sept. 11,] 2012 is absolutely false," Dempsey said in his statement. "General Ham's departure is part of routine succession planning that has been ongoing since July. He continues to serve in Africom with my complete confidence."

Little also dispelled rumors that Ham will step down from his position next year for any reason other than personal choice.

"There's been a lot of rumor and speculation, particularly in the blogosphere, about General Ham," he said. "And that speculation and those rumors are absolutely, categorically false."

"He will continue to lead Africa Command," he said, "and he is on the job, doing it effectively, and we expect him to do so until he retires and transitions to General Rodriguez -- if General Rodriguez is confirmed by the United States Senate."

The press secretary said he didn't have a timeline for when Ham will step down and Rodriguez might assume command.

"A lot of it will depend on Senate action," Little said. "We believe the hearings will take place in the next couple of months, and then we'll decide when a change of command is appropriate."
 
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