Lionised and Vilified

ah...I was wondering why we were building SC in Berlin, but we really probably should start it in Fish for real. The Theatre whip could/should go into it.

Good TS! Philo is ours!!!

I'm curious as to why the 6th Theatre did not go in Cologne.

Munich should definitely start unit pumping next turn, and probably Berlin as well. Too bad we don't have HBR.
 
lymond said:
ah...I was wondering why we were building SC in Berlin, but we really probably should start it in Fish for real. The Theatre whip could/should go into it.

Good TS! Philo is ours!!!

I'm curious as to why the 6th Theatre did not go in Cologne.

Munich should definitely start unit pumping next turn, and probably Berlin as well. Too bad we don't have HBR.
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cologne = 2 spears+1 worker finished... safety...

btw Dortmund is pretty bad spot aside for size 4, that's why i stagnate it on building workers + 1 settler now.

I am not happy what I did with Stutgartt and Essen... have whipped those theatres as you wanted.

the theatre probably finished archer... was my bad... there is still some 7 hammers of OF which could be used...

but that can pigs decide herself (himself). The CH is just put there to not have empty queue.

as for the GPF we will run now in GA...

initially I planned for Berlin, Munich and Frankfurt, but as it seems Berlin, Munich can stay, but Hamburg could be used too for some GPF abused instead of Frankfurt

Frankfurt has to finish GT and SC...

We should delay the troops after the GA imo (we won't have citizens on hammer tiles anyway if we go with GPP abuse).

Now it's maybe good time to trade around CS, vicky already had it... (HBR from someone?)
 
Well, we do need to get our power up and fortify Frankfurt from a possible Russian attack. At least Munich can focus on units.

Have we yet begged gold from Cathy?


I"m a little hesitant to trade CS away just yet. Gotta look at who Vicky likes. Giving it to Russia means the possibility of facing Macemen without good units. I would like to get MC and Machinery in trades. Music should net us some techs as well once we get Sistine built.

A golden age will hopefully get us two more GSs to bulb Edu and win Lib easily.
 
I hope for 3 GSs in the GA, with philo and budh+pac should be doable if pigs times it well.

I didn't beg (I would make a nice SS if I did), but was thinking about the same thing considering Russia is our only friend :-D

Russia offers only HBR and 70 gold for CS though
Suleiman offers MC+40G for CS (if you go for Feud you have to give gold)

the value of CS is diminished this game (I can usually get at least Feud from CS without paying). God knows if Russia doesn't aim for that tech herself...

There is some more gold laying in the lower down part of the tech trade screen... would like to touch it. The gold from nappy for Lit really drags me...

but we have 360 ourselfs and GA before...so we really should/can run on 100% for awhile, but still need paper->edu->gunpowder->nat->lib

I don't fear maces with cuirs much... but you're right we would be hanging in the air a bit for next ~20 turns...
 
does anyone know when cathy went into redfist?

she was when I overtook and still is... we probably shoulnd't be the target, but no one knows for sure...
 
I didn't beg (I would make a nice SS if I did), but was thinking about the same thing considering Russia is our only friend :-D
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...and with friends like her who needs enemies

We do need to keep her off our backs so we can Pact up with her later

Since we are not relying a great deal on Commerce, I wonder if we should just move the Palace over to Munich to get the hammer bonus on HE.


we probably shoulnd't be the target, but no one knows for sure..
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Just keep an eye on her stacking on the border city next to Frankfurt. If we are the target and get our power up, she will likely back off.
 
Got it.

Quite a bit to take in.

One obvious consideration is that its hard to whip overflow into sistine while running caste/pac (presumably Judaism).

Maybe use GE to rush Globe in twinfish, GA to launch GA, GS to bulb philo. If we're going all cuirious (geddit) then maybe twinfish can run artists to fight Cat Culture and produce a GA that could be used to bulb nat or miltrad. Go for 2 GS for education as well. Or one GS for education (part research education after paper), try to pick up MC and compass so we can bulb lib with second GS, part bulb nat with GA then finish nat and lib. That sounds a bit complicated! Does it make sense?
 
somewhat yes, but I think getting GS's will be better.

I hope you will get 3 great persons from the GA. And as bonus bunch of gpps in 4th one close after the end of GA :-D.

What about GM for some trade mission instead?

Some 1500 gold for deficit research seems like good target...
 
Definitely more beakers from a GS but more culture from running artists, depends how badly we want that iron (and maybe increase border penalities, or maybe not as we're already overlapping).
GM trade mission is quite probably the best overall return given that we're going to have to research some stuff the hard way anyway.

I'll worry about build priorities once we've got research/specialist priorities sorted out.
 
With Globe we will get that iron back soon. We're already about to pop to the next cultural level in that city anyway. Sistine there will secure it.

A GA bulb of Nat is interesting but I'd rather have 2 GSs to outright bulb Edu. We may get a GA in the deal anyway.
 
Its a thought and if getting iron in doublefish was a priority I'd consider it. However we can get culture in other ways and its really is more of a side issue than a priority because we have iron elsewhere.

I'm also wondering how much of a priority we should attach to instant Globe or instant Sistine. The reason I'm wondering is that if we go goldenage> lots of scientists> paper> nationalism> double bulb education then somewhere in middle of that (like as soon as we get nationalism) we could use GE to rush Taj in Berlin.
 
pigswill said:
Its a thought and if getting iron in doublefish was a priority I'd consider it. However we can get culture in other ways and its really is more of a side issue than a priority because we have iron elsewhere.

I'm also wondering how much of a priority we should attach to instant Globe or instant Sistine. The reason I'm wondering is that if we go goldenage> lots of scientists> paper> nationalism> double bulb education then somewhere in middle of that (like as soon as we get nationalism) we could use GE to rush Taj in Berlin.
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I like that idea
 
For that matter we could go nationalism>paper. Paper isn't that valuable in itself and is mainly a precursor to education.
 
back to back GA with nat is actually pretty decent idea...

But we have marble...the Taj in decent hammer city should be up quickly too...

OTOH Cuirs wars doesn't prefer drafting much ;-)

I am 50:50 on it :-)

it's true that the Iron we have other source too, but the fish city basically has no hammer tiles now...
 
Yep, GE on Globe is really a matter of it having no bonus, which we have on the other wonders. Globe is reasonably expensive.

We need to get paper up now and then can consider using a GA on Nationalism and ofc any GSs to bulb Edu. Lib MT.

I think the Iron and other tiles will flip back to us very soon, especially if we rush Globe. The city is about to expand borders again. SIstine will secure the border.

Globe is great for drafting, but it is also great for whipping. We can whip out many Curs from this city and who's to say we won't do some drafting later as well.

Save a couple of Forests in Berlin and we will get the Taj up in no time.

I've heard no comments on my thought about moving the cap to Munich
 
lymond said:
I've heard no comments on my thought about moving the cap to Munich
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to be honest I don't see it as priority and certainly don't see the free hammers for doing it...

we have a lot of work before us to everything 'click' the right way... We're a bit late on the schedule already (so to say :-))
 
In terms of trades we could do:
Music to Cat for HBR+70
Music+Drama to Suly for Feudalism
Music to Vicky for MC.

We only have three cities that can run specialists: Berlin, Frankfurt and Hamburg. If they're running specialists then they can't be doing anything else.

Hammerwise Globe (300h), Sistine (600,marble) and Taj (750, marble) are much the same. I'm not convinced that we need to rush Globe because at the moment we don't have any units worth whipping (we'll have HAs if we trade for HbR and LBs if we trade for feud). Frankfurt won't have any production unless we can steal tiles from Cat.

In conclusion I'd do those trades, rush Sistine in Frankfurt, launch GA with GA, bulb philo with GS, adopt Judaism, run caste/pac during GA.

If we trade for feudalism then one option is to run vassalage at end of GA in which case the capital becomes less important. This would save us building stables. Trading for feudalism would also let us build some LBs for our more vulnerable cities.

At end of GA (assuming we revert to slavery, vassalage) Frankfurt can double-whip units and put overflow into Globe.
 
I'm not sure I see the value of selling off a monopoly tech at this stage.

As for Globe, it's also good for general whippage. Doesn't have to be just units. Whip a bunch of stuff into Sistine with the bonus and viola!
 
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