Lionised and Vilified
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or are you good to go?vranasm
Deity
I was planning to play the set, maybe today, but since the discussion a little bit died I am not sure we are sold on the plan.
pigswill
fly (one day)
If people feel that strongly they should post their opposition and preferred alternative. If they're not posting they're not complaining (or not interested) so carry on.
Well my view has shifted slightly, but still somehow concerningly the same as lymond's! 
I'm OK to abuse Fishy as a Slavery / Draft centre even though it has the hallmarks of a good
-Farm. So, at some point Globe Theatre there.
Consequently, in light of The Great Library in Berlin, the National Epic works for me. In an another reality we could have put both in at Fishy, but Berlin makes sense as a good alternative.
We still need to get one city to 20,000
, so I say that we should go for Sistine while we can. I would burn the Great Engineer on it. If you don't mind contaminating the Berlin pool further with Great Artist points, its rate will be bolstered by yet another WoW. Sticking it in a border city will at very least protect our BFC.
I still like the Fish + 3x Fur site in the south, but we'll have to endure Barb' Galleys until we get Triremes up, which makes this a less than urgent proposition. Sorry - I can't recall the map precisely (away from computer), but would somehow like to get one of the Silvers before the AI drops a city down there.
I'm a little reluctant to bump Cologne away from Worker production as a general principle, but if it works better in practice to whip out some Spears, then I'll bow to the decision.
Also I'm still a bit of the mind that we need units more than infrastructure. As noted, the Ottoman Chariot rush could cause us a lot of grief if Suleiman does go WHEOOHRN and strikes within a turn or two.
I'm OK to abuse Fishy as a Slavery / Draft centre even though it has the hallmarks of a good
-Farm. So, at some point Globe Theatre there.Consequently, in light of The Great Library in Berlin, the National Epic works for me. In an another reality we could have put both in at Fishy, but Berlin makes sense as a good alternative.
We still need to get one city to 20,000
, so I say that we should go for Sistine while we can. I would burn the Great Engineer on it. If you don't mind contaminating the Berlin pool further with Great Artist points, its rate will be bolstered by yet another WoW. Sticking it in a border city will at very least protect our BFC.I still like the Fish + 3x Fur site in the south, but we'll have to endure Barb' Galleys until we get Triremes up, which makes this a less than urgent proposition. Sorry - I can't recall the map precisely (away from computer), but would somehow like to get one of the Silvers before the AI drops a city down there.
I'm a little reluctant to bump Cologne away from Worker production as a general principle, but if it works better in practice to whip out some Spears, then I'll bow to the decision.
Also I'm still a bit of the mind that we need units more than infrastructure. As noted, the Ottoman Chariot rush could cause us a lot of grief if Suleiman does go WHEOOHRN and strikes within a turn or two.
I'm fine with the plan too. Like I said I'm not hot either about Sistine, but okay, in Berlin at least it adds a bit to base GPP and as noted helps with its culture. Speaking of which, maybe we should squeeze out some bud temples for a bud "cathedral" to help that along.
Culture-wise Franfurt should hopefully secure its BFC with a theatre and subsequent Globe.
And yes to some spears, don't whip Cologne though as it barely grows... As soon as we have CS this is probably the first place that needs some chain irrigation.
Culture-wise Franfurt should hopefully secure its BFC with a theatre and subsequent Globe.
And yes to some spears, don't whip Cologne though as it barely grows... As soon as we have CS this is probably the first place that needs some chain irrigation.
vranasm
Deity
Turnset is played
The round begins with me finishing orders for troops and readjusting some things according to discussion.
Btw that fishy spot south is in ocean, so no danger from barb galley as I understand it.
I sleep both great persons in Berlin... I am not convinced we agreed on the use of Great Engineer...
I MM frankfurt to get LH in 1T (we had there scientist assigned before)
I settle Dusseldorf
on the marble.
I wasn't sure with the workers what were some plans (for example in the north) so I tried to continue with the supposed spirit...
I certainly will have to shift some force to our south west
I switch to full speed NE
there will come some chops in 3T
Gustav wants OB, I decline
Turns are boring...just mostly introspecting cities...
First spear built, hurah
This one was tricky
we miss 1T :-( but a couple of hammers only...
Much better, we get it in 1T
too bad those unimproved tiles though...
I politely decline nice offer for trade deal
The battle for Iron starts :-(
55:45 culture for Russian...
Berlin back to growth
6T for the GS
No we are not ready for War yet...
I start Heroic Epic in Munich
I was thinking about whipping the Theathre in Frankfurt
but didn't we need that population for GPP abuse imo
I trade one of our furs away for 5 gpt
I can't accept the invitation to war Nappy sorry :-(
but that makes us his worst enemy though :-(
We could whip the HE, but not worth it imo
We really lose the culture battle in the east :-(
67:31...
We still have monopoly on the Music tech.
It's already 600 AD and I have to stop (even if playing for 2 more turns would look more logical, but I think I would exceed my turnset too much)
We have banked some gold, 2 turns from CS and 4 from GS/GE in berlin.
I am leaving the save frustrated, because I didn't achieve almost nothing I wanted...
but such is life sometimes. I hope i didn't screw up much.
The round begins with me finishing orders for troops and readjusting some things according to discussion.
Btw that fishy spot south is in ocean, so no danger from barb galley as I understand it.
I sleep both great persons in Berlin... I am not convinced we agreed on the use of Great Engineer...
I MM frankfurt to get LH in 1T (we had there scientist assigned before)
I settle Dusseldorf
on the marble.
I wasn't sure with the workers what were some plans (for example in the north) so I tried to continue with the supposed spirit...
I certainly will have to shift some force to our south west
I switch to full speed NE
there will come some chops in 3T
Gustav wants OB, I decline
Turns are boring...just mostly introspecting cities...
First spear built, hurah
This one was tricky
we miss 1T :-( but a couple of hammers only...
Much better, we get it in 1T
too bad those unimproved tiles though...
I politely decline nice offer for trade deal
The battle for Iron starts :-(
55:45 culture for Russian...
Berlin back to growth
6T for the GS
No we are not ready for War yet...
I start Heroic Epic in Munich
I was thinking about whipping the Theathre in Frankfurt
but didn't we need that population for GPP abuse imo
I trade one of our furs away for 5 gpt
I can't accept the invitation to war Nappy sorry :-(
but that makes us his worst enemy though :-(
We could whip the HE, but not worth it imo
We really lose the culture battle in the east :-(
67:31...
We still have monopoly on the Music tech.
It's already 600 AD and I have to stop (even if playing for 2 more turns would look more logical, but I think I would exceed my turnset too much)
We have banked some gold, 2 turns from CS and 4 from GS/GE in berlin.
I am leaving the save frustrated, because I didn't achieve almost nothing I wanted...
but such is life sometimes. I hope i didn't screw up much.
vranasm
Deity
I rechecked the turn numbers again.... and as it seems i played 7 turns... I thought I played already 15 (this you have to believe me )!
(450 AD opening save -> 600 AD I thought by 10 turns is 15 turns, but in reality it isn't).
So I should have played 3 more turns...
But feel free to take longer set pigswill... we are nicely rounded now...
)!(450 AD opening save -> 600 AD I thought by 10 turns is 15 turns, but in reality it isn't).
So I should have played 3 more turns...
But feel free to take longer set pigswill... we are nicely rounded now...
Thanks for the report.
Personally, I think you should 'dig deep' and find within yourself three more turns (minimum).
I also think that we need to determine a role for the Great Engineer. If you don't know whether to settle or hurry Sistine, we should thrash it out ... so long as we all agree at the end of it all that a hurry on Sistine is the right move.
Personally, I think you should 'dig deep' and find within yourself three more turns (minimum).
I also think that we need to determine a role for the Great Engineer. If you don't know whether to settle or hurry Sistine, we should thrash it out ... so long as we all agree at the end of it all that a hurry on Sistine is the right move.
vranasm
Deity
Thanks for the report.
Personally, I think you should 'dig deep' and find within yourself three more turns (minimum).
I also think that we need to determine a role for the Great Engineer. If you don't know whether to settle or hurry Sistine, we should thrash it out ... so long as we all agree at the end of it all that a hurry on Sistine is the right move.
I understand your view and normally I would continue, but
- we're rounded turns now (I give away T140)
- we really need to discuss the issue in the east (i was expecting to actually have the upper hand with +5 cpt in frankfurt not reverse)
I think it's somewhat fine point though...
we can take it as half of my TS too and I would take more 8 turns, but the other day... for today I am finished ;-).
I feel frustration, but since my mistake with turns was explained (I really thought I played 15 turns without getting anywhere) i am fine with the situation I am leaving the empire ;-).
so I propose:
- discuss things
- let me run 8 more turns (and I would start the GA myself and handover in half of GA)
or
give the TS to pigs for 10 turns. S/he (I am not sure here!) will have 4 turns for GS, starts GA and will leave the TS to next player at the end of GA to adjust civics for next phase, which seems like fine plan imo
vranasm
Deity
reason i woke up the GE before saving and posting...
I kind of agree with this point... rushed GT could be good too though.
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I'm for hurrying the Sistine, but as mentioned, I think we should do it in a border city like Fishy. It would be a waste of all that culture the wonder provides in itself and would secure the border and get our iron back. I'm glad V did not burn the GE on the Sistine in Berlin. And considering that Globe will go in Fishy, then that keeps the GAs more in one place.
edit: hmmm...rushed Globe would be good too since it gets no bonus. I think we should still build Sistine in Fish. We can use some strategic whips to get it out faster and get a worker over there to chop/mine.
edit: hmmm...rushed Globe would be good too since it gets no bonus. I think we should still build Sistine in Fish. We can use some strategic whips to get it out faster and get a worker over there to chop/mine.
vranasm
Deity
(Sorry - crosspost - please disregard)
I'm all for thrashing things out further and giving you between 3 and 8 more turns (whatever makes you comfortable).
hmmm well then I go finish the TS now...
will move the GE to east for pigs to decide
vranasm
Deity
I am building theatres anyway... will check how many we have and whip it if emergency or smtg
vranasm
Deity
Sorry for the confusion. The TS is now finished and I hope you will really like it
Round continues with the task of finishing CS and preparing everything for pigs
T142 Civil Service home finally
not stellar by any way
I turn off research (0% slider), but still paper in 11T ;-)
According to Lymonds will i quick up a bit the theatres around
for example this way here
I found some barbarian city, with unfavorable odds...interesting there is archer and warrior...
Crossing fingers on scientist here!
Aaaand we pop the GS!!
We have 5 theathers finished, we lack only 1.
Our best bet is actually our new aquisition in south
The chop
comes next turn
and we already
have 20 hammers into theatre down there
Now I consider my TS finished... i achieved everything I wanted
Round continues with the task of finishing CS and preparing everything for pigs
T142 Civil Service home finally
not stellar by any way
I turn off research (0% slider), but still paper in 11T ;-)
According to Lymonds will i quick up a bit the theatres around
for example this way here
I found some barbarian city, with unfavorable odds...interesting there is archer and warrior...
Crossing fingers on scientist here!
Aaaand we pop the GS!!
We have 5 theathers finished, we lack only 1.
Our best bet is actually our new aquisition in south
The chop
comes next turn
and we already
have 20 hammers into theatre down there
Now I consider my TS finished... i achieved everything I wanted
vranasm
Deity
those 56 hammers in SC in Berlin should be viewed more like gold... we get there 1:2 conversion rate, better then running wealth...
