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Litvinenko 'probably murdered on personal orders of Putin

It's not merely political assassinations I'm talking about - a few ones in last decade (Hattab, Yandarbiev, Basaev) were likey done by FSB operatives. It's about assassination carried out in the form of slow public execution. And for no apparent reason, except revenge for saying bad words about the FSB.

Allegations[edit]
Litvinenko regularly told people about his theories relating to the power structures in Russia, and would bombard his contacts with information relating to his theories.[13][44][51] In a report for the Conflict Studies Research Centre, Henry Plater-Zyberk, a lecturer at the Defence Academy of the United Kingdom and Russian politics expert, described Litvinenko as a one-man disinformation bureau, who was at first guided by Berezovsky but later in possible pursuit of attention for himself. Plater-Zyberk notes that Litvinenko made numerous accusations without presenting any evidence to give credence to his claims, and these claims which became increasingly outlandish were often accepted by the British media without question.[13] According to Michael Mainville, Litvinenko knew the secret to a conspiracy theory is that they are based upon an absence of proof, and that the more outlandish the claim, the harder it is to disprove.[51] This has led to some political analysts dismissing his claims as those of a fantasist.[47]

Armenian parliament shooting[edit]
Main article: 1999 Armenian parliament shooting
Litvinenko accused the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General-Staff of the Russian armed forces of having organised the 1999 Armenian parliament shooting that killed the Prime Minister of Armenia, Vazgen Sargsyan, and seven members of parliament, ostensibly to derail the peace process which would have resolved the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, but he offered no evidence to support the accusation.[13][52][53] The Russian embassy in Armenia denied any such involvement, and described Litvinenko's accusation as an attempt to harm relations between Armenia and Russia by people against the democratic reforms in Russia.[54]

Russian apartment bombings[edit]
Main article: Russian apartment bombings
Litvinenko alleged that agents from the FSB coordinated the 1999 Russian apartment bombings that killed more than 300 people, whereas Russian officials blamed the explosions on Islamic terrorists. This version of events was suggested earlier by David Satter.[55]

Moscow theatre hostage crisis[edit]
Main article: Moscow theatre hostage crisis
In a 2003 interview with the Australian SBS TV network, and aired on Dateline, Litvinenko claimed that two of the Chechen terrorists involved in the 2002 Moscow theatre siege—whom he named "Abdul the Bloody" and "Abu Bakar"—were working for the FSB, and that the agency manipulated the rebels into staging the attack.[56] Litvinenko said, "[W]hen they tried to find [Abdul the Bloody and Abu Bakar] among the dead terrorists, they weren't there. The FSB got its agents out. So the FSB agents among Chechens organized the whole thing on FSB orders, and those agents were released." This echoed similar claims made by Mikhail Trepashkin.[57] The leading role of an FSB agent, Khanpasha Terkibaev ("Abu Bakar"), was also described by Anna Politkovskaya, Ivan Rybkin and Alexander Khinshtein.[58][59][60][61] In the beginning of April 2003 Litvinenko gave "the Terkibaev file" to Sergei Yushenkov when he visited London, who in turn passed it to Anna Politkovskaya.[30] A few days later Yushenkov was assassinated. Terkibaev was later killed in Chechnya. According to Ivan Rybkin, a speaker of the Russian State Duma, "The authorities failed to keep [the FSB agent] Terkibaev out of public view, and that is why he was killed. I know how angry people were, because they knew Terkibaev had authorization from presidential administration."[62]

Beslan school hostage crisis[edit]
Main article: Beslan school hostage crisis
Alexander Litvinenko suggested in September 2004 that the Russian secret services must have been aware of the plot beforehand, and therefore that they must have themselves organised the attack as a false flag operation. He spoke in an interview before his death with Chechenpress news agency, and said that because the hostage takers had previously been in FSB custody for committing terrorist attacks, it is inconceivable that they would have been released and still been able to carry out attacks independently. He said that they would only have been freed if they were of use to the FSB, and that even in the case that they were freed without being turned into FSB assets, they would be under a strict surveillance regime that would not have allowed them to carry out the Beslan attack unnoticed.[63] Ella Kesayeva, co-chair of the group Voice of Beslan, formalised Litvinenko's argument in a November 2008 article in Novaya Gazeta, noting the large number of hostage takers who were in government custody not long before attacking the school, and coming to the same conclusion that Beslan was a false flag attack.[64]

Support of terrorism worldwide by the KGB and FSB[edit]
Litvinenko stated that "all the bloodiest terrorists of the world" were connected to FSB-KGB, including Carlos "The Jackal" Ramírez, Yassir Arafat, Saddam Hussein, Abdullah Öcalan, Wadie Haddad of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, George Hawi who led the Communist Party of Lebanon, Ezekias Papaioannou from Cyprus, Sean Garland from Ireland, and many others. He said that all of them were trained, funded, and provided with weapons, explosives and counterfeit documents to carry out terrorist attacks worldwide and that each act of terrorism made by these people was carried out according to the task and under the rigid control of the KGB of the USSR.[65] Litvinenko said that "the center of global terrorism is not in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan or the Chechen Republic. The terrorism infection creeps away worldwide from the cabinets of the Lubyanka Square and the Kremlin".[66][67]

Alleged Russia-al-Qaeda connection[edit]
In a July 2005 interview with the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita, Litvinenko alleged that Ayman al-Zawahiri, a prominent leader of al-Qaeda, was trained for half a year by the FSB in Dagestan in 1997 and called him "an old agent of the FSB".[65][68] Litvinenko said that after this training, al-Zawahiri "was transferred to Afghanistan, where he had never been before and where, following the recommendation of his Lubyanka chiefs, he at once ... penetrated the milieu of Osama bin Laden and soon became his assistant in Al Qaeda."[69] Konstantin Preobrazhenskiy, a former KGB officer and writer, supported this claim and said that Litvinenko "was responsible for securing the secrecy of Al-Zawahiri's arrival in Russia; he was trained by FSB instructors in Dagestan, Northern Caucasus, in 1996–1997."[70] He said: "At that time, Litvinenko was the Head of the Subdivision for Internationally Wanted Terrorists of the First Department of the Operative-Inquiry Directorate of the FSB Anti-Terrorist Department. He was ordered to undertake the delicate mission of securing Al-Zawahiri from unintentional disclosure by the Russian police. Though Al-Zawahiri had been brought to Russia by the FSB using a false passport, it was still possible for the police to learn about his arrival and report to Moscow for verification. Such a process could disclose Al-Zawahiri as an FSB collaborator. In order to prevent this, Litvinenko visited a group of highly placed police officers to notify them in advance." According to Sergei Ignatchenko, an FSB spokesman, al-Zawahiri was arrested by Russian authorities in Dagestan in December 1996 and released in May 1997.[71]

When asked in an interview who he thought the originator of the 2005 bombings in London was, Litvinenko responded saying,[65] "You know, I have spoken about it earlier and I shall say now, that I know only one organization, which has made terrorism the main tool of solving of political problems. It is the Russian special services." He later added, "And I am sure, that there will be no prosecutions of Moslems after the event."[72]

Danish cartoon controversy[edit]
According to Litvinenko, the 2005 controversy over the publication in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten of editorial cartoons depicting the Islamic prophet Muhammad was orchestrated by the FSB to punish Denmark for its refusal to extradite Chechen separatists.[51]

Assassination of Anna Politkovskaya[edit]
Main article: Anna Politkovskaya assassination
Two weeks before his poisoning, Alexander Litvinenko accused Vladimir Putin of ordering the assassination of the Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya and stated that a former presidential candidate, Irina Hakamada, warned Politkovskaya about threats to her life coming from the Russian president. Litvinenko advised Politkovskaya to escape from Russia immediately. Hakamada denied her involvement in passing any specific threats, and said that she warned Politkovskaya only in general terms more than a year earlier.[73] It remains unclear if Litvinenko referred to an earlier statement made by Boris Berezovsky, who claimed that Boris Nemtsov, a former Russian Deputy Prime Minister, received word from Hakamada that Putin threatened her and like-minded colleagues in person. According to Berezovsky, Putin stated that Hakamada and her colleagues "will take in the head immediately, literally, not figuratively" if they "open the mouth" about the Russian apartment bombings.[74]

Allegations concerning Romano Prodi[edit]
Main article: Italian Mitrokhin Commission
According to Litvinenko, the FSB deputy chief General Anatoly Trofimov said to him, "Don't go to Italy, there are many KGB agents among the politicians. Romano Prodi is our man there,"[75][76] meaning Romano Prodi, the Italian centre-left leader, former Prime Minister of Italy and former President of the European Commission. The conversation with Trofimov took place in 2000, after the Prodi-KGB scandal broke out in October 1999 due to information about Prodi provided by Vasili Mitrokhin.[77]

In April 2006, a British Member of the European Parliament for London, Gerard Batten of the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), demanded an inquiry into the allegations.[75][76] According to the Brussels-based newspaper The EU Reporter on 3 April 2006, "Another high-level source, a former KGB operative in London, has confirmed the story."[78] On 26 April 2006, Batten repeated his call for a parliamentary inquiry, revealing that "former senior members of the KGB are willing to testify in such an investigation, under the right conditions." He added, "It is not acceptable that this situation is unresolved, given the importance of Russia's relations with the European Union."[79] On 22 January 2007, the BBC and ITV News released documents and video footage from February 2006, in which Litvinenko repeated his statements about Prodi.[80][81]

A report by the Conflict Studies Research Centre of the Defence Academy of the United Kingdom from May 2007 noted that Trofimov was never the head of the FSB, which did not oversee intelligence operations, had never worked in the intelligence directorate of the KGB or its successor the SVR, nor had he worked in the counterintelligence department of the intelligence services, nor had he ever worked in Italy, making it difficult to understand how Trofimov would have had knowledge about such a recruitment. Henry Plater-Zyberk, the co-author of the report, suggested that Trofimov was "conveniently dead," so "could neither confirm nor deny the story," and noted Litvinenko's history of making accusations without evidence to back them up.[13]

Cooperation with Spanish authorities[edit]
Shortly before his death Litvinenko tipped off Spanish authorities on several organised crime bosses with links to Spain. During a meeting in May 2006 he allegedly provided security officials with information on the locations, roles, and activities of several "Russian" mafia figures with ties to Spain, including Zahkar Kalashov, Izguilov and Tariel Oniani.[82]

Other allegations[edit]
In his book Gang from Lubyanka, Litvinenko alleged that Vladimir Putin during his time at the FSB was personally involved in protecting the drug trafficking from Afghanistan organised by Abdul Rashid Dostum.[83] In December 2003 Russian authorities confiscated over 4000 copies of the book.[84]

Litvinenko commented on a new law that "Russia has the right to carry out preemptive strikes on militant bases abroad" and explained that these "preemptive strikes may involve anything except nuclear weapons." Litvinenko said, "You know who they mean when they say 'terrorist bases abroad'? They mean us, Zakayev and Boris and me."[30] He also said that "It was considered in our service that poison is an easier weapon than a pistol." He referred to a secret laboratory in Moscow that still continues development of deadly poisons, according to him.[85]

In an article written by Litvinenko in July 2006, and published online on Zakayev's Chechenpress website, he claimed that Vladimir Putin is a paedophile.[86] Litvinenko also claimed that Anatoly Trofimov and Artyom Borovik knew of the alleged paedophilia.[87] The claims have been called "wild"[44] and "sensational and unsubstantiated"[88] in the British media. Litvinenko made the allegation after Putin kissed a boy on his stomach while stopping to chat with some tourists during a walk in the Kremlin grounds on 28 June 2006. The incident was recalled in a webcast organised by the BBC and Yandex, in which over 11,000 people asked Putin to explain the act, to which he responded, "He seemed very independent and serious... I wanted to cuddle him like a kitten and it came out in this gesture. He seemed so nice. ... There is nothing behind it."[89]

Shortly before his death, Alexander Litvinenko alleged that Vladimir Putin had cultivated a "good relationship" with Semion Mogilevich (head of the Russia mafia) since 1993 or 1994.[90]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko#Armenian_parliament_shooting

No apparent reason? Bad words? I am sure Putin had have him impaled him if had the chance.
 
I am sure Putin had have him impaled him if had the chance.
:dubious:
Impaled for what - for being blabbermouth and "one-man disinformation bureau" for British intelligence?
I suggest you to thoroughly read the quote you've posted here.

He basically blamed FSB in orchestrating all notable terrorist attacks in Russia, as well as Danish cartoon controversy.
Called Prodi an FSB agent and Putin a pedophile, etc.
He simply wanted media attention and money, and was saying whatever 'sensational' things yellow press would expect to hear about Russia.
 
With a government that has a history of locking up opposition, killing journalists etc, im not too shocked to hear that Russia would overstep it's national boundaries to ensure the death of a dissident.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko#Armenian_parliament_shooting

No apparent reason? Bad words? I am sure Putin had have him impaled him if had the chance.

Very informative post, thanks. But I think having him clubbed to death in a government prison and subsequently prosecuted for corruption is more Putin's style.

:dubious:
Impaled for what - for being blabbermouth and "one-man disinformation bureau" for British intelligence?
I suggest you to thoroughly read the quote you've posted here.

He basically blamed FSB in orchestrating all notable terrorist attacks in Russia, as well as Danish cartoon controversy.
Called Prodi an FSB agent and Putin a pedophile, etc.
He simply wanted media attention and money, and was saying whatever 'sensational' things yellow press would expect to hear about Russia.

So basically you have nothing to comment other than Kremlin disinformation. That'so helpful..
 
With a government that has a history of locking up opposition, killing journalists etc, im not too shocked to hear that Russia would overstep it's national boundaries to ensure the death of a dissident.

US and its Cameronian underdog are using drones and local police to do pretty similar assassinations. Let alone outright murder of political enemies as in the poisoning of Milosevic ;)

And it is not like we know if Putin actually is behind this death.
 
US and its Cameronian underdog are using drones and local police to do pretty similar assassinations. Let alone outright murder of political enemies as in the poisoning of Milosevic ;)

And it is not like we know if Putin actually is behind this death.

Ah yes, the usual "Whataboutism", we're discussing Russia here and i've criticised American and British policy in the past as well.
 
:dubious:
Impaled for what - for being blabbermouth and "one-man disinformation bureau" for British intelligence?
I suggest you to thoroughly read the quote you've posted here.

He basically blamed FSB in orchestrating all notable terrorist attacks in Russia, as well as Danish cartoon controversy.
Called Prodi an FSB agent and Putin a pedophile, etc.
He simply wanted media attention and money, and was saying whatever 'sensational' things yellow press would expect to hear about Russia.
I read the whole thing. While the hatred of the guy towards Putin is evident (the last claim for instance), and some are hard to believe or look like exagerations, others on the other hand are reasonable, he was in position of knowing them, and probably there is some truth there. In fact he predicted his own death by poisoning.

Playing dirty is a common thing in world politics. Even more common when the country in question is powerful and influential. They do lots of things not to be in the news. After all what are secret services for but to do secretive stuff? Reading your posts it looks like you really think Russia and the URSS have never done a single black flag operation and have not a single skeletons in the closet. Now that would be truly unbeliveable.
 
Playing dirty is a common thing in world politics. Even more common when the country in question is powerful and influential. They do lots of things not to be in the news. After all what are secret services for but to do secretive stuff? Reading your posts it looks like you really think Russia and the URSS have never done a single black flag operation and have not a single skeletons in the closet. Now that would be truly unbeliveable.

If my posts look like that to you, it's unfortunate. Because on the previous page I myself gave three examples of likely political assassinations done by FSB in the last decade. One of which was done by poisoning, BTW.

I doubt this particular murder was done by Russian government. Putin is pragmatic and there was nothing to gain from it, except losing reputation and harming diplomatic relations with Britain.
 
Fair enough. Didnt read that post in particular.

Btw they just said in the news Litvinenko was colaborating with spanish justice against russian mafia when he was murdered. So maybe it was russian mafia who killed him after all...





...odered by Putin. :p
 
If my posts look like that to you, it's unfortunate. Because on the previous page I myself gave three examples of likely political assassinations done by FSB in the last decade. One of which was done by poisoning, BTW.

I doubt this particular murder was done by Russian government. Putin is pragmatic and there was nothing to gain from it, except losing reputation and harming diplomatic relations with Britain.

The relation with Britain was bad enough to begin with. It's very unfortunate that all those Russian oligarchs who were exiled by Putin chose London as their refuge.
 
Yes all assassinated for no apparent reason :mischief:
Can Russia show me a list of Pro-Putin assassinations ?
I'd strike Berezovsky from your list - he probably actually committed suicide, according to the British police investigating his death. But then add Boris Nemtsov, killed 2015.
 
Boris Nemtsov, killed 2015.

That's another death with nothing to gain for Putin. I mean, Nemtsov's PARNAS with all its membership numbers (0,03% of population), and all the 0 (zero) seats in the State Parliament, and all the 1 (one) of 3,787 seats in the regional parliaments was the power for Putin to be reasonably afraid of, right? So, Putin clearly had no other way to deal with him (like, for instance, to ignore?) but to order his rival to be assassinated. :crazyeye:
 
Some fraction of the dead dissidents may well not have been killed by the Russian state, or elements within it that were not acting under orders from Putin. It's impossible to know with any real certainty what happened in any particular case, and I'd be surprised if literally every one of them was killed under Putin's orders. Nonetheless, prominent Russian dissidents have a very strong tendency to turn up dead under mysterious circumstances, much more often than is typically observed in countries that are not outright dictatorships. That should be worrying to you, I would think.
 
That should be worrying to you, I would think.

It rather seems to be questionable.

Question one: What makes you think Russia is a dictatorship?

I don't feel like I live in a dictatorship, really. It is more like something else, like... I don't know if you have this game, but we played it a lot in my childhood when we had no computers, consoles or tablets: you and your mates (the more the better) sit in a circle, and the first one whispers a phrase into his neighbor's ear. The neighbor then has to rephrase it as much as possible while trying to keep the initial meaning as little distorted as he can, and whisper this new version to his next neighbor, and so on. When the phrase goes the full circle, the initial player says the original and the last player says what reached him, and everybody laughs because usually the final version is twisted beyond recognition.

The same thing seems to happen when the ideas of the government go through their communication lines to those who are to implement them, so what's being implemented is totally different from what they were supposed to do. And then even that is implemented poorly.

Like in Chelyabinsk recently there was a scandal when road workers were laying asphalt at subzero temperatures right into the snow. When asked, "What the hell do you think you're doing?!" They answered that they "were told to repair the road." The fact that they were told to do it in September and were supposed to finish by October, and now the best they can do is to wait till it's at least mid-April did not bother them a bit.

It does not look like it's a dictatorship at all. It's honestly more like a total anarchic mess at times, really.

Question two: I tried to figure out who the "prominent Russian dissidents" might be, and realized I really don't know any. Even a single one. Care to give a few names, please? I am almost certain I will recognize them and then will be able to explain why I don't think they are either prominent or dissidents.

With Nemtsov, I hope I made myself clear: he had neither any power, nor any chance of getting it in any foreseeable future. But he did have a track record of ranting a lot about "the regime" and stuff. So, actually, if I was Putin, I would have assigned guards to protect him, really, because keeping him alive was no threat at all, while getting him dead was certain to create rumors and allegations exactly as much as it did.

Same thing with Litvinenko, as Red_Elk has pointed out.
 
What makes people think that Russia is a dictatorship?

The fact they have a dictator?
 
To be precise, he didn't say Russia is a dictatorship.

I must have misinterpreted this phrase then:

Nonetheless, prominent Russian dissidents have a very strong tendency to turn up dead under mysterious circumstances, much more often than is typically observed in countries that are not outright dictatorships.

I do apologize and certainly withdraw my question if so.
 
Daw, that game's called "telephone" here.
 
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