Where does Russias sphere of influence end?

[Oruc]

It's completely different.

Did Estonians learn Russians? Did the Estonians adopt russian orthadoxy? Did the Estonians want the Russians there? Did the Estonian leader sign a pact joining the two countries? Were the Estonians a very sparsely populated people who were living mostly in just one part of there land before the Russians came?

I guess you could say Selkirk's scottish colonization of the red river was also the same.

They probably did, 12.8% are Orthodox while the biggest religion is 13.6% lutheran, I doubt the Lithuanians want them there now. well their is supposedly only 1.5 million people in estonia so i cant imagine their being more when Russia took over.

Its just strange you have no problem with polish colonization

 

[TheLastOne36]

They probably did, 12.8% are Orthodox while the biggest religion is 13.6% lutheran, I doubt the Lithuanians want them there now. well their is supposedly only 1.5 million people in estonia so i cant imagine their being more when Russia took over.

Its just strange you have no problem with polish colonization

Those orthadox are Estonian church orthadox. Not Russian.

And what do you mean about 1.5 million? how is that sparse? espiecailly in such as small country?

Lithuania was atleast 10x bigger and perhaps less population back then.

And i don't have a problem with the Polish Colonization, because it was so long ago, better for the native people, and the native people were happy, and we colonized in an area where barely any people were living in.

You've made the comparison of it being equal to the russian colonization of the baltic. That is where i disagree. You obviously don't know much about the topic(and i don't blame you), and your are making the assumption of it being equal to the russian colonization.

 

[REDY]

I'd say having some influence to Iran, Venezuela, N.Korea shows strength of diplomacy, not weakness.

Huh. Thats not about good diplomacy but about willingness be friend with these kind of states. They are isolated because several reasons.

 

[TheLastOne36]

^ I always wondered why people say Venezuela is influenced by russia and friends. It's quite obvious Chavez is just using them. (i hope that nutjob get's out of office soon so Venezuela can get out of his idioticy).

 

[Oruc]

Those orthadox are Estonian church orthadox. Not Russian.

Estonian Orthodox Church of Moscow Patriarchate actually.

And what do you mean about 1.5 million? how is that sparse? espiecailly in such as small country?

Lithuania was atleast 10x bigger and perhaps less population back then.

And i don't have a problem with the Polish Colonization, because it was so long ago, better for the native people, and the native people were happy, and we colonized in an area where barely any people were living in.

You've made the comparison of it being equal to the russian colonization of the baltic. That is where i disagree. You obviously don't know much about the topic(and i don't blame you), and your are making the assumption of it being equal to the russian colonization.

Colonization is colonization no matter where or who it is. I dont get why you think its a good thing to colonize someone else's country as long as its the polish whose doing it.
I have a hard time believeing they were happy about you guys taking over. You should support what the russians did if you support what you guys did.

 

[Squonk]

emu, what the last one said - the history is uncomparable.
And there was, unlike what thelastone says, not much of polish colonisation. Poles in Lithuania are in their mass not descendants of Poles proper, but polonised belarusians and lithuanians.

 

[Squonk]

oh, and "colonisation" has two meanings, emu. one is turning something into a colony, and the other is sending settlers to uninhabited areas.
Poland didn't turn Lithuania into a colony or whatever. Lithuania, in result of dinastic marriage between male duke of Lithuania and female king (not queen!) of Poland, entered union with Poland. Also because it needed its help against Teutonic Knights and Moscow.
Polonisation was done by culture, simply because Poles were more developed. It's comparable to germanisation of Lower Silesia or Western Pomerania, where there was no forceful germanisation until late XVIII century as well, just german culture prevailed. There, however, was much more of german colonisation apart from that.
The last one won't like these words, probably, but in western Pomerania and in Lower Silesia germanisation was mostly peaceful. The difference, perhaps, is that Western Pomerania was subdued by Germans by force, and that Germans overall had negative attitude towards Slavs, while there was no bias against Lithuanians in common polish-lithuanian state.

 

[ecuwins]

Polonisation

oh why does this word make me lol

Ahhh, yes, the ole culture flip. I hate those sometimes.

 

[TheLastOne36]

oh, and "colonisation" has two meanings, emu. one is turning something into a colony, and the other is sending settlers to uninhabited areas.
Poland didn't turn Lithuania into a colony or whatever. Lithuania, in result of dinastic marriage between male duke of Lithuania and female king (not queen!) of Poland, entered union with Poland. Also because it needed its help against Teutonic Knights and Moscow.
Polonisation was done by culture, simply because Poles were more developed. It's comparable to germanisation of Lower Silesia or Western Pomerania, where there was no forceful germanisation until late XVIII century as well, just german culture prevailed. There, however, was much more of german colonisation apart from that.
The last one won't like these words, probably, but in western Pomerania and in Lower Silesia germanisation was mostly peaceful. The difference, perhaps, is that Western Pomerania was subdued by Germans by force, and that Germans overall had negative attitude towards Slavs, while there was no bias against Lithuanians in common polish-lithuanian state.

i'm from Upper Silesia not Lower,

But it is true, what emu thinks is that we colonized them. that's not what happened, we got in a union with them. It wasnt a culture flip per se, but it was something along the lines of it.

Anyway this is offtopic.

 

[red_elk]

Huh. Thats not about good diplomacy but about willingness be friend with these kind of states. They are isolated because several reasons.

That's certainly not about bad diplomacy, as Squonk said.
We are neither friends nor allies with these countries. Saying Iran is Russian ally is like saying China is American ally. But being neighbours with Iran and N.Korea is enough to have some good contacts and partnership with them.

^ I always wondered why people say Venezuela is influenced by russia and friends.

We just have some common interests with Venezuela. Like Georgia and Poland with USA. Not friends.

It's quite obvious Chavez is just using them. (i hope that nutjob get's out of office soon so Venezuela can get out of his idioticy).

It's quite obvious that one Polish teenager is much smarter than entire Russian ministry of foreign affairs. Didn't mind to offend you.

 

[Squonk]

oh why does this word make me lol

because You're racist

 

[Nobody]

How far can a ICBM reach?

 

[Kraznaya]

How far can a ICBM reach?

According to the name, across continents.

 

[ecuwins]

..........my bad

 

[ecuwins]

because You're racist

Maybe, but not in this context.

pole 2 (pl)
n.
1. A long, relatively slender, generally rounded piece of wood or other material.
2. The long tapering wooden shaft extending up from the front axle of a vehicle to the collars of the animals drawing it; a tongue.

Polonisation
v.
1. To be used by said pole.
2. To become dancer of said pole.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Maybe, but not in this context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonisation

 

[ecuwins]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonisation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

 

[Snorrius]

Where NATO says it does. But more seriously, where Russia's neighbors say it does, so in other words at the Russian border.

Patroklos, Americans should just stay silent and, about five-ten years into future, prepare to gather pieces of something which was called 'USA'. With pathetic economy as yours and most of European countries, NATO should just disband itself as soon as usual. Europeans can just create their own forces, and it would make much more sense.

 

[Ecofarm]

At least our pathetic market does not get closed by the state. We ain't scared. It's not like our standard of living could get anywhere near Russia's.

Obama said Russia is not a democracy. Is that true?

 

[Snorrius]

At least our pathetic market does not get closed by the state. We ain't scared. It's not like our standard of living could get anywhere near Russia's.

The problem of most people is that they do not know history, nor they want to know it. Even in the end of 80s almost no one of common folk would not believe that USSR will be disbanded very soon, though all signs of crush in one or another form were everywhere. The signs of USA is falling are also everywhere. I am not sure they are bound to fall apart as SU did, but US standards of living will fall very low comparing to current unnaturally high standards.

It is not really important will you reach lows of SU crash, because standards even just five times less than current will be major blow to American nation which is obsessed by money (though this fall may be much more worse).

Obama said Russia is not a democracy. Is that true?

It depends on what you consider democracy. If USA is democratic by your definitions then Russia will do too.