LK18 - China, mod, low corruption.

[Dark Sheer]

Believe me, its real fun when you get involved in a big messy like this war. But the turns can get very long during the AI's move as you are attacked from all sides. My last 14 turns took me more than 6 hours!! There goes my whole night.

We should try to knock out a few more cities with our artillery, bomber and armor or at least reduce some of these cities to size 1 to prevent them from building tanks.

 

[smegged]

Originally posted by lkendter



I prefer religious for the same reason.


Thiazi - can you go yet?
Let us know. I already have a backlog of RDB23B for tomorrow night.

Hehe, you have to spend all night in a "discussion" with Sirian .

 

[Thiazi]

I'll play at some point tonight but it will most likely be very late.

 

[LKendter]

Thiazi -

Are you going to be able to play?

Let me know, I have free time later today (I would not be upset to be diverted from my Corporate accounting)

 

[LKendter]

I will post my intention to take the game later unless I hear from Thazi. It has been 48 hours now.

 

[Sirian]

smegged: I have long antennae. I also pay attention to more than it may appear, and am quite capable of lurking without so much as a hint of my presence. So be careful.

Speaking of 48 hours... RBD23B is calling me.

- Sirian

 

[Thiazi]

Let me finish one turn and I will post everything. Sorry about that, the turns are taking longer than I expected.

 

[Thiazi]

Sorry about the delays, once school is done with I will be back to my reliable self.

1782: An army is killed at Veii. Veii and Brest captured by the Persians.

1784: Brest recaptured.

1786: We got the GL Kubla Kahn. Virconium captured! New Hohlapur captured! Veii and Borazum captured from Persia. Our GL is placed in Byzantium, no reason but I just did not want to lose him. Brest captured by Persia and Borazjun captued by the Aztecs. France captured New Kohlapur.

1788: Borazjun reclaimed. The Indian city of Munich is captured. New Kohlapur is once again captured by us.

We are nearing the point where we choose new governments, I guess monarchy would be the best option but I would very seriously consider communism if it is available. Also, we should look to narrowing our focus on the war, we are making much too difficult for us to capture and keep new cities. Sorry for the delay with my turns but the turns took a long time and every time I finished a turn I got pulled away from the computer for a while. Like I said before, I should have more free time soon, so my issues with taking forver to play turns will cease.

 

[LKendter]

Originally posted by Dark Sheer

1764AD(8) - Chinese Democracy falled as people demonstrates on the streets. Anarchy begins in China. Chinese army move inland with 15 artilleries.
1776AD(14) - China is once again a Democracy and now we have 7 luxuries and only Aztec has ivory deep inside their territory. In the middle of clearing enemies another GL appear!

NOTE to Dark Sheer - Please don't do this in the future. If a goverment collapse you can't get the same type of goverment back - period. The only way is to have stopped wars or significant gain of luxuries. I didn't see either.

I have gained a very weak position, and all the lost production is why. I don't even think I can hold all of our cities.


Goverment rule #1:
If you suffer a collapse of Democracy / Republic - You can't get them back unless the world is a more peaceful place.

 

[LKendter]

How the frell our we down to 5 artillery????

Those are the 5 I just captured!
This really is bad!

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My #1 goals is to shorten the front lines, and to start locking borders.
My #2 goals - less countries to fight.
Change Viroconium to temple to lock borders.
Cavalry aren't the best, but not worth sitting idle at home - Worst case, disband to speed up temple

building - go through the painful process of airlift all calvary to the other continent.
Rebase fighters to Borazjan - Shorter front lines now clear - Take Antium and New Calcutta.
I found a stack of Persia artillery by our border - now China owns them - they take position on

a hill for the two cities I plan to attack.
Khan builds an army - war is it - we have airports on this side of the world.
OUCH! - Now I see why we are so thin for troops - WHY???? do we have a second front around Bonn????

PEACE with France - We can't get there cities for a while, so why fight them?
:flamedevi I get France Furs and Wines to get them to fight India.
Aztecs take the same deal :flamedevi
PEACE with Azetcs - Same deal as France.
Now time to hit enter ...

 

[LKendter]

Pre-Turn -
This is even better - India declares war on the Aztecs :flamedevi
Persia declares war on France
Only lost a handful of units.

General Lee is crowned King of China - long live the King.

Sent the above.
1790 AD - Abandon New Kolhapur - we are streched to thin.
Take our ships by Hispalis and send them to port to repair.
Our mere 5 artillery do the job - New Calcutta is ours.
We have captured 2 more artillery.
Our new cavalry prove usefull - killing several 1 hp infantry.
As expected - we lost New Kolhapur, worth the shorter defense lines on a meaningless front.
Not much action at all - good for us, since production is just coming back on-line.

1792 AD - Rush Numremberg temple with disband out of date infantry - This is not a "weed" move - we don't have that much cash - It will be easier to produce more mech infantry for the homeland defense - This is our ONLY source of gems, and I want a culture protection ring around it.
We attack Antium and get another leader Another army is built!
I then attack with cavalry - first dies, 2nd kills a 1 hp tank.
Might as well get all I can out of the cavalry.
Goal #1 already achieved - Borazjan, Matsuyama and New Calcutta are rear line cities
I am really glad the cavalry came over - Cavarly is still very good for quelling resitance.
The two islands now have mech inf, starting to work on the homeland - goal, keep cash above $1000 - upgrade with every thing above $1000 - we really need wall street interest.
Capture another artillery by Viroconium.

To be continued...
1792 AD (continued)

Oh, we really need another one of these - don't we?

 

[LKendter]

1792 AD (continued)
China now controls 1691 land, 487 coastal squares.
My favorite message is appearing - cultural border expansion - where it matters
Pompeii flips back to Persia - time to razed most of them?

1794 AD - We are having a leader Frenzy - elite cavalry attacks a cavalry - Qianlong appears - another mech infantry army is built.
I abandon Luteria - this city is another extreme flip risk after what happened in Pompeii.
Our cavalry "liberates" Brest from India - since this was French last turn, I keep it.
Flip this Pompeii - burn to the ground!
Are we sure this is almost 1800? My cavalry attacking Persian rifleman in Pisae.
Pisae is taken - with a follow up attack on Bordeaux razing the city - to close to French borders.
Well I guess I am continue to prove a comment made about my play - I know how to work with the hand I wasl dealt - cavalry continues to kill 1 hp tanks / infantry.
Burn up cash rushing Antium temple - upgrade a couple of infantry.

 

[smegged]

Sorry about leaving you in a state of anarchy. I was late for a meeting however, and only barely made it on time. I wouldn't have had enough of a chance to play otherwise. I was also highly aggitated that I was given back a democratic government when the previous one had collapsed, so I wouldn't have played well anyway .

Well done LK.

 

[LKendter]

Originally posted by smegged
Sorry about leaving you in a state of anarchy. I was late for a meeting however, and only barely made it on time. I wouldn't have had enough of a chance to play otherwise. I was also highly aggitated that I was given back a democratic government when the previous one had collapsed, so I wouldn't have played well anyway .

Well done LK.

Wierd - I some ways I can tell we think a lot alike
Yet in others miles apart - I generally only accept Monarchy late game when the tech wars are won.

 

[LKendter]

1794 AD (continued)
Could this get more confused - France / Aztec mpp.
Persia can have Lutetia - for the moment...

1796 AD - Slaughter a stack of Persia cavalry, including a cavalry army (bombers took it to about 3 hp).
We RAZE Lutetia - bite me Persia.
Upgrade a couple of infantry.
Drop science to 10% for a 1 turn gain of about $1000 extra.
GACK - The French get to raze Ravena - our cavalry died for nothing
Begin modern armor research.

1798 AD - We will go under $1000 in cash, but I bite the bullet and upgrade all infantry to mech infantry. Keep science low another turn to replenish cash.

1800 AD - I get to hit 'f' quite a few times.
The French are getting on my nerves - The have a settler heading to the spot I wanted.
Blasted Persian kill 3 workers - The demonic cavalry that stole them also kills an attacking cavalry.
New Bombay is RAZED - New Ningpo replaces it.
Destory and Indian settler.
New Kaifeng is founded.
Science back to 40% - still making a decent cash flow.
All of that spare cash rushes a whopping 4 temples - I really miss religous.
Khan is BACK - Over on the no activity Bonn front - what to do with him?

1802 AD - Rush Library in Kyoto - A lot of unclaimed squares here.
New Paoting, Beijing 2 are formed.
Cumae is razed - New Yangchow is formed close by.
I go to invade New Lahore and find France had the same idea .
Punjab is RAZED
Some what of a waste - but I want Khan out of the way - Rush the Bremem library.
Rush a temple in New Kaifend - don't want defection to France.

1804 AD - Rush 2 more temples along the French border.

Summary - Here are the fronts -
New Lahore - Transports with 3 additional tanks heading to the island.
New Delhi - Hugh stack approaching to raze the city - settler building another city near by.
Ergili - Large stack of artillery now in range to start bombardment.
Zohak - Every I got is trying to bottleneck that city - there are 29 artillery on a mountain next to it - There capture will make a hugh difference to our war effort.

RAZE CITIES if to many other cities near by - I have new settlers
heading over there.

China controls 2279 of 4575 squares, about 50% of the world.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/LK18-1804AD.zip

LeeKendter
Dark Sheer (playing) <<<<<
smegged (on deck)
Thiazi

 

[LKendter]

The below map is our current attack plan -
Red lines are short term attacks.
Yellow lines are longer term attacks.

My goal is to isolate the land mass with Zohak -
This will keep our lines short -
Yet gain a big block of squares.

 

[Dark Sheer]

Originally posted by lkendter

NOTE to Dark Sheer - Please don't do this in the future. If a goverment collapse you can't get the same type of goverment back - period. The only way is to have stopped wars or significant gain of luxuries. I didn't see either.

Actually when I change it back to Democracy I thought it will hold as we have 4 luxury when in Anarchy and 7 when in Democracy.

The reason why my attack is so slow is because I want to hold on and defend those luxuries that we get from attacking the Persian and France (ie Incense, Spice and Gems) but I notice that all the roads to the gems has been pillage by the enemies as our tanks moved to attack other town from the gem town. (I don't keep a stack of tank in that town for no reason ). Anyway, I will make sure we go for Monarchy if this ever happen again in any future SG.

 

[Dark Sheer]

My original strategy is to worn down the enemy by holding to the towns and eliminate their units as they approaches for counterattack (I believe I almost wipe out their Cavalry reserve during my last turn) and then slowly bombard the next town and capture them at size 1-2 so there is no chance of flipping and repeat as necessary.

I will see what I can do when I get home this evening. (Looks like the China SG on world map will have to wait after this one. )

 

[smegged]

Originally posted by lkendter



Wierd - I some ways I can tell we think a lot alike
Yet in others miles apart - I generally only accept Monarchy late game when the tech wars are won.

The thing that I was annoyed about was being in Democracy after we had already collapsed from it. I generally do not like to be in Democracy/Republic for great amounts of time in wartime. The reason being is that cities tend to go into revolt without warning, thereby losing production from those cities.

I'm very much an "all or nothing" type of person, and when I'm in war, I'm in war and will turn science right down, so that I have cash to do stuff with (bring other civs into the war/ buy tech/ upgrade units/ conduct espionage). It is when I am in peacetime that I will try to gain a tech lead over my opponents.

I tend to do a bit more government switching than other players, and tend to like religious races for that very reason (other than the HUGE benefit of cheap temples/cathedrals).

 

[LKendter]

Believe me, we are in 100% agreement here -
attempting to get back Democracy after goverment collapes was a mistake.