LK74 - Sid, Civ = TDB

[LKendter]

I wasn't sure whether that rule covered pure "per turn" deals (or deals where we gain rather than lose such as incoming gpt).

So far the one exception I have allowed a regular basis if we are being paid GPT while giving nothing. If we decide to cut short our tech payment I accept that.

My issue is when we are shipping something to the AI and try and get out of the deal. It is also about protecting our rep. Of course, I don't know how much of a rep we have here.

 

[Greebley]

The Persians have grown stronger and have caught up with the Byzantines.

The Byzantines are better off in culture which makes them slightly preferable as a target.

We gain more if we take the Byzantine cities around our land, but it is also the harder war - more to gain and more to lose as it were.

So if we feel we can handle them then the Byzantines are the better target, but I am not sure if we will be able to handle them soon enough.

Here is the power and culture graphs:

 

[LKendter]

650 AD
I had comments on the condition of the game, but with the current events what does it matter?

(IT) One picture is worth a thousand words.

660 AD
I doubt India will even survive my turns, but I dial up the Byzantines and sing and MPP for $3/turn.

With no other civs left, I demand that Persia leave and a war starts.

I get a GA from our War Elephant.
(IT) The Byzantine declare war on Persia.
The following cities are captured by Persia: Ganges, Indus, Dacca, Punjab, and Madras.
The following cities are razed by Persia: New Delhi.
We also lost all of our workers buckets in the area.

In a display of total lunacy our people expand our palace.


670 AD
As if things are painful enough Civ crashes on me with the military advisor bug for the first time in ages.

We are down to 25 units, and 12 of those our workers. Need I say more?
The following cities are captured by Persia: Chittagong, Bombay, Bangalore, Lahore, Bengal, and Calcutta.
The following cities are razed by Persia: Delhi.
Our luxury trading is destroyed by the capture of Bombay.


680 AD
We have already gone through at least 2 levels of war weariness, and have no luxuries left to our name.
(IT) The following cities are captured by Persia: Kolhapur, Karachi, Hyderabad, and Pune.


690 AD
I have no question our only city left will fall.
(IT) As expected we suffer a humiliating conquest defeat.
I can't remember the last time I ranked as Gandhi the terrible.

Summary:
Sid is totally insane

 

[Greebley]

Having the AI declare first on us is total slaughter all right. They have way too many units.

I was curious, so I tried an "alternate history" and declared war in the pre-turn with Byzantines as an ally. The only persian units were one rifle dropped off by a boat and a Geurilla. This is the way we hoped it would work. Byzantine and Persia concentrating on each other while we snipe at towns. Even so we might have lost; we were so far behind, but it wouldn't have been the the slaughter it was. It was not to be however.

Another question is: Was there a reason for their attack? The only thing that might have been a reason was the placement of Ganges. I had thought that civ distance of 3 was safe, but there may be a small chance that they would attack for that

Or it could just be chance.

 

[akots]

@Greebley: This was the way it was supposed to be, we sign MPP with Byzantines and then declare to Persia.

We had some land but too few cities, some improvements but small military, no wonder that what happened has happened.

It was a good lesson after all. It could have been playable if aggression was decreased to low. Persia is just aggressive, they can start war simply because they are stronger.

It looks like going for 21 tile/city with no overlap was not the best choice. 12 tiles/city seems to be enough.

After all, nobody has ever won Sid on small Pangea on a random map without +5 food bonus on start with normal aggression.

 

[LKendter]

It looks like going for 21 tile/city with no overlap was not the best choice. 12 tiles/city seems to be enough.

This is one of the things we will never now. 12 tiles/city and we would have claimed have the land.

I am still curious if Ganges caused it. Trouble is I have to go back 10 turns to figure out...

 

[Greebley]

I played around with this a bit. I disbanded the Ganges and they didn't attack. Unfortunately, disbanding ANY city also meant they didn't attack - it may be that I was affecting the RNG so the results were inconclusive. Even going back 10 turns probably won't answer the question if the RNG is involved.

If I had to guess, there was a small chance of war with Ganges and we got unlucky.

 

[danz]

Well, I learned a thing or two. First off, no commercial build bonus for commercial buildings like banks secondly if you don't see cows and wheat on 4000 BC, restart thirdly go to war sooner and keep the strongest AI's at war with each other at all costs, because if they are allowed to prosper and take out weaker AI's you'll join the weaklings in the graveyard pretty soon.

Anything else I'm forgetting?

 

[hotrod0823]

Anything else I'm forgetting?

Sid is Insane.

 

[akots]

I also thought that Sid is not playable. This is wrong, it is playable and winnable.

 

[hotrod0823]

Not doubting it is playable and it has been proven winnable just not fun for me.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

I love it when the A.I beats a human succession team...marvellous

 

[Sandman2003]

Ouch! By the way, what exactly is the military advisor bug?

As if things are painful enough Civ crashes on me with the military advisor bug for the first time in ages.

 

[LKendter]

Sometimes when you hit F3 (military advisor) the game quits on you.