Is seeing them all at once important? Here is the background of my idea. In what I am pretty sure is the first LotR thread ever at CFC, this guy talked about a Civ2 scn. That had the victory come when someone brought Frodo to Mt. Doom. Now, in conquests we are promised New Victory conditions, and perhaps some more Editing goodness as they are making campaigns. If we had an Army, and named it the fellowship coupled with Yodas idea about the Road thing, we could get a good scenario going. Or even without the Road idea (which is complicated) It could still be fun, for instance, we could make Frodo and Sam upgrade to a more powerful version of themselves at a certain point, where they become non-wheeled, and take a new path while the others go their different ways. Later one we can give Frodo the Invisible ability yet have certain detect invisible units around the path. Making you have to use strategy. Its just an Idea, but having the Fellowship in a group form makes perfect sense to me, even outside of a Scenario, although, I realize this probably isnt the way to go.
Yes, only one in the Third agemrtn- I don't think this will work. The AI will only build Balrogs, and reduce all their cities to size one.Remember that there were only one Balrog left in the Third Age.
. We (once again) could have two form of them, one less powerful, and another more powerful, remember, the unit has 3 attack animations, the first one could only include the sword, while the last cycles through all, just to add flavor, it only requires a different .ini (not two whole 9mb files 
) .Im sort of torn between your idea and mrtns. But I am glad we arent going with just the Third age. They both have their pluses, so lets try and compromise, starting with the elves, we have more material to work with, yet, the coming of man wont work very well, and if we go with the arrival of man we skip the whole barbaric age, with weak Orcs and powerful elves. It basically would then start slightly after the fourth battle yet everything would fit in perfectly as far as realism goes. I think we should start slightly before the Elves met the Men, in-between both of your suggestions (but closer to mrtns). This way we can give the early men handicaps, like high cost workers and settlers, yet (the good ones) would get an alliance with the Elves, and the evil ones would have the protection of Mordor. It would just be to hard to have them start in the twilight, unless we have super cheap techs, but then, what we be the point of even having the techs?
. Same with the Lothlorien forests, we can put in a resource that looks like a golden forest, to make it look more distinct.
) suggested. Which upgrades to a winged dragon mrtn is talking about, which leads to...
That is one hell of a brainstormmrtn- And I thought about the dragons. Would it be possible make it like this?
Make mountains impassable.
Put a mountain, for example the Lonely Mountain
Make the dragon a air unit, which can't re-base. (Or don't have anywhere to re-base to)
Give it a nice operational range.
Wouldn't this dragon make attacks from this mountain? And the player can't attack it, so it will be a terror for ages. I don't have very much airplane experience, but this should work, shouldn't it?
!!! It would be great, and give us a use for the Airports and simulate certain things perfectly! All we need is to modify the Airstrip graphics, make it a pile of treasure perhaps? 
This also gives a function for the non-winged Dragons, maybe they shouldnt upgrade . Also, if we make Great leaders warrior like units with good stats, then perhaps they can go and kill the dragon (they would be unwheeled??). I want to suggest some things in the wishlist, such as specific animation for leader units and only build unit once.yes, and dont we all agree thats absurd? We want to stick to the books is what I thought. Yoda Power made great new tundra graphics, the snow is more white in them. Or we can borrow some from the winter terrain pack in PtW. Are you getting it soon BtW?
. Once we get them, we can get the Civs and Culture groups down. Once again, lets get the ages down, and now. First priority.
Got tree's on the brain there
. As for the ashlands, if you feel your up to it, but I don't know where you can find some 'base' gfx... Morrowind has Ashland terrain, I might be able to get some from there . But now we have to include them into the credits, which BTW I have been working on 
. I just wanted to see If I could replace that Elvis pic at the end, with one of Tolkiens, it looks sweet, very glossed. In PtW, the airfields basically give air units the abilities that a city would, without the city.I don't really know how airports function, but is it so that they disappear if swallowed by foreign culture? In that case we can have mountains completely impassable (which we IMO should have anyway). The only way to get rid of the dragon would be to build a city in the dragons operational range and build lots of culture.Originally posted by PCHighway
... That is one hell of a brainstorm
) start reading the Silmarillion again if your schedule permits. I was hoping some people who knew it very well, or even just a little would come in and give us some help, but it doesnt seem that way . They could really help with names. )
Is this how it works in the ordinary game?Originally posted by PCHighway
Ages, Ages, Ages, we need to think of some names people!
I also recommend the MOD team ( are we a team yet
Mrtn, some extra mountains surrounding the one in particular, wouldn't hurt.
I think, as far as culture goes if you cant 'build' a dragons lair, then it would just get destroyed (disappears) if in the radius.
All the AIs would still "see" those resources, and build cities nearby.Originally posted by PCHighway
Should Dwarves be able to build cities in mountains? We can give them a tech they start out with, thats not in the tech tree so no one can research it, that allows them to see resources that other cant?!?! making it only good for them to be by a mountain. But could they sell it??? (thanks for teaching me that Yoda, the force is strong with this one
This is contrary to what is usual, so the AI would probably treat this really badly. And if it is a player, he just wouldn't upgrade his units. Cheating is easy.
. And yes, that is how they work, to my knowledge, but then again... Maybe the air units get destroyed like when a city is taken? Note to self, make sure we don't make it an air unit, just give it air abilities. And if they AI doesn't like that, we just have to suffer with the Culture destroying it, but I think its just the Air units 0 def. that makes them get killed. In their wake they leave ash (pollution) all over the place, which must be cleaned up to make the terrain inhabitable again. Oh, and they burn down any jungle or forest and scorch grasslands to praries and praries to desert. Once a dragon is used other civs immediately become angry, reflecting the fact that they recognize that only a truly evil race would use such creatures. And once someone started to use dragons, everyone would. To quote Han Solo; I've a bad feeling about this. Not saying it's a bad idea, just a bad AI. But maybe such a high price would discourage too many being built? Perhaps they could even cost pop points. I still think its worth a shot, even if its a long one..
. No, I like your idea, but it gives a sort of intangible feel to Dragons. It is a possiblity, but I am not one to rule it out. I do like the prospect of mrtns other ideas a little bit more, making you need a hero to destroy it, and making it last longer, to cause havoc. Perhaps two breeds of Dragons can be made? Or even, we can name each one, and they upgrade to a stronger one? We will have to see how and what conquests adds. I wouldnt say Dragons are so impossible to control either. Here is a quote that took forever to find:.Orders come first eh
Nice list GEC! But I have question about the Númenórë, I'll check out the book anyway. Gondor and Arnor sort of take over for Númenórë, though. I think there is some talk about the Easterlings somewhere... I'll look for it, check out this site in the meantime, and take a look at that old thread I was talking about (Don't Post in it!). I am sort of tired, so I will give you more feedback on the list tomorrow. everyones equal, Celeborn is going to put together the main version though. Also, Hobbits? Come one now, I can think of a better 5th culture group!?!? It is only one Civ, with the exception of the Dwarves (who could have two or three civs if we wanted, and are more distinct) We'll lets leave the fifth blank for now, if we get more hobbit units, then we should go for it, maybe even in a later version\patch type thing. The hobbits will get many man hand me downs either way, but having man units and being a different culture group seems a little pointless, IMHO.Originally posted by PCHighway
I was sort of thinking of The Shire as the equivalent to the Iroquois or the Zulu; a relatively minor civ that was never hugely powerful. In-game, though, they can be alot stronger than they were historically. I rather like the idea, though I guess they could be just as easily lumped with Men.I think that the AI is hard wired to think : Ah, nukes! Build, build, build! It would just ruin its production in the process.Originally posted by GEChallenger
Yes, I was worried that that would happen.
Do we really need all those 16 civs? I might be an infidel, but I don't think that quantity equals quality. I suppose that Orcs (Numenor, Umber), should be Orcs(Mordor, Angmar)? Should we really have both Gondor, Arnor AND Numenor. Should Dale really be a complete civ? Likewise with Umbar? Umbar could probably be lumped together with the Southrons. 13 good civs are better than 13 good and 3 bad civs.
I agree.
Isn't it Dol Amroth?
Sween32 has made some leaderheads already. He might do more, and we should be able to use some from the game.Originally posted by GEChallenger
...And lastly, I want to mention that leaderheads for this should probably be static but if possible 3-D. It would also probably be best if they were all made by the same person. I would like to see some that arent based off the movie too, if possible.
Whos in charge here, by the way? It seems that either Celeborn or PCHighway is mostly mediating the thread, with some input form mrtn. Or is everyone equal?
But, talk is cheep, when we start doing something, that might change. 
