ls612's C2C Units

[Hydromancerx]

@ls612

Here is an icon/button for the Medevac Dropship.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@ls612

I noticed that the Hybrid Gunship gets replaced before you can get it thanks to the updated tech tree. Right now its ...

Hybird Gunship
Req Techs: Vertical Flight AND Skyroads

Dropship
Req Techs: War Machines AND Military Robotics AND Skyroads.

However skyroads comes after War Machines AND Military Robotics.

I propose that we change Hybird Gunship to ...

Hybird Gunship
Req Techs: Vertical Flight AND Military Robotics

This would place it halfway between the AH64 Gunship and the Dropship. Rather than at the same time as the Dropship.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Hydromancerx]

@ls612

I noticed the Light Tank (60), Tank (50) and Heavy Tank M26 (60) all come at the same time.

I think the Light Tank's strength should be reduced to 40 and Heavy Tank M26 should be renamed to just "Heavy Tank".

Thanks in advance!

 

[Thunderbrd]

@ls612

I noticed the Light Tank (60), Tank (50) and Heavy Tank M26 (60) all come at the same time.

I think the Light Tank's strength should be reduced to 40 and Heavy Tank M26 should be renamed to just "Heavy Tank".

Thanks in advance!

Agreed! The movement alone on light tanks makes them simply amazing in that era!

 

[Hydromancerx]

@ls612

I sent you a PM with the unit renames. Here are the upgrade paths with the new names ..

Ornithopter
Upgrades To: Early Fighter

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Barrage Balloon
Upgrades To: Prop Fighter

Early Fighter
Upgrades To: Prop Fighter OR Prop Naval Fighter

Double Biplane
Upgrades To: Prop Fighter OR Prop Tactical Bomber

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Prop Fighter
Upgrades To: Early Jet Fighter

Prop Naval Fighter
Upgrades To: Jet Naval Fighter

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Early Jet Fighter
Upgrades To: Jet Fighter OR Jet Interceptor

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Jet Fighter
Upgrades To: Modern Fighter

Jet Naval Fighter
Upgrades To: Modern Naval Fighter

Jet Interceptor
Upgrades To: Modern Interceptor

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Modern Fighter
Upgrades To: Stealth Fighter

Modern Naval Fighter
Upgrades To: Stealth Fighter

Modern Interceptor
Upgrades To: Stealth Interceptor

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Stealth Fighter
Upgrades To: Hypersonic Fighter

Stealth Interceptor
Upgrades To: Hypersonic Fighter

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Hypersonic Fighter
Upgrades To: Orbital Fighter

*phew* Many thanks to intlidave for helping sort this out.

 

[Thunderbrd]

*phew* Many thanks to intlidave for helping sort this out.

Yeah, not only are those spot on upgrade paths from what I can see, the naming is so much more effective from a player angle for understanding the purpose of the varied air forces.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@ls612

Here is the other half

Airship
Upgrades To: Prop Bomber

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Prop Tactical Bomber
Upgrades To: Jet Tactical Bomber

Prop Bomber
Upgrades To: Jet Bomber

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Jet Tactical Bomber
Upgrades To: Drone Tactical Bomber

Jet Bomber
Upgrades To: Supersonic Bomber

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Supersonic Bomber
Upgrades To: Stealth Bomber

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Early Stealth Bomber
Upgrades To: Stealth Bomber

Stealth Bomber
Upgrades To: Orbital Bomber

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Recon Plane
Upgrades To: Hypersonic Recon Plane

Hypersonic Recon Plane
Upgrades To: Drone Recon Plane

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And the new unit ...

Recon Plane
Graphic: Here
Icon: ?
Type: ?
Strength: 1
Range: 28
Cost: ?
Req Tech: ?
Req Resource: Aircraft AND Aluminum AND Oil Products
Req Building: ?
Upgrades To: Hypersonic Recon Plane

Special Abilities

• Can Only Defend
• 25% Chance to Evade Interception

As you can see he left a lot blank so I am unsure what to have for a Recon Plane. Probably use the Hypersonic Recon Plane as a base. And then scale its range back along with mabye the unit type.

Also the Hypersonic Recon Plane needs some tweaks ...

Hypersonic Recon Plane
Req Resources: Aircraft AND Aluminum AND Oil Products
Range: 30
- Remove Chaff Promotion

EDIT: And so you are not too confused ...

Modern Fighter F35 = Stealth Fighter

Stealth Fighter = Early Stealth Bomber

According to intlidave's plans.

 

[ls612]

@Hydro:

I've done a whole bunch of the tweaks above, and am committing them now. Please tell me if I missed anything, the airplanes were really messed up in terms of their names and locations in files.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@ls612

Thanks for what you changed for far. Here are some things you missed and others I would like you to add/change.

IL2
- Change name to "Prop Tactical Bomber"
Upgrades to: Jet Tactical Bomber

Jet Tactical Bomber
Upgrades to: Drone Tactical Bomber

Remote Controlled Bomber
- Change name to "Drone Tactical Bomber"

Airship
Upgrades to: Propeller Bomber

Bomber
- Change name to "Propeller Bomber"
Upgrades to: Jet Bomber

Stealth Fighter
- Change name to "Early Stealth Bomber"
Upgrades to: Stealth Bomber

SR-71 Blackbird
- Change name to "Hypersonic Recon Plane"
Req Resources: Aircraft AND Oil Products AND Aluminum
Upgrades to: Drone Recon Plane

Global Hawk
- Change name to "Drone Recon Plane"
Req Resources: Aircraft AND Semiconductors AND (Aluminum OR Nanotubes)

Seaplane
Req Resources: Aircraft AND Oil Products AND Aluminum

Double Biplane
Upgrades to: Propeller Fighter OR Propeller Tactical Bomber

Early Fighter
Upgrades to: Propeller Fighter OR Propeller Naval Fighter

Prop Fighter
Upgrades to: Early Jet Fighter

Early Jet Fighter
Upgrades to: Jet Fighter OR Jet Interceptor

Jet Fighter
Upgrades to: Modern Fighter

Modern Fighter
Upgrades to: Stealth Fighter

Jet Interceptor
Upgrades to: Modern Interceptor

Modern Interceptor
Upgrades to: Stealth Fighter

Modern Fighter F35
- Change name to "Stealth Fighter"

Prop Naval Fighter
Upgrades to: Jet Naval Fighter

Jet Naval Fighter
Upgrades to: Modern Naval Fighter

Modern Naval Fighter
Upgrades to: Stealth Fighter

I have more for you to tweak but I will wait until you fix these first. Thanks!

 

[ls612]

@Hydro:

1. Airships are DH's, so he'll need to change those.

2. Who added these planes anyways? Their modular structure is a complete and utter mess! I've had to make UNITCLASS_MODERN_FIGHTER the Stealth Fighter, and UNITCLASS_JET_FIGHTER the Modern Fighter in order to accomadate your changes, and I'm still not sure that I did it right. Please tell me what else I've missed, as I'm pretty sure this will take multiple passes to get somewhat right.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@ls612

1. I sent a PM to DH to ask if we have permission to edit the airship and possibly other balloon units in the future.

2. The aircraft were added I think by a colaboration with mcookie83 and DH.

Orion's Aviation Mod for C2C v18
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=444685

The other issue with them is the icon/buttons don't have the correct alpha layer so they appear as hard corner squares rather than rounded squares like all the other icon/buttons do.

As for other problems I am slowly going through the outline that intlidave made. To help better balance them. Step 1 was re-naming. Step 2 was fixing the upgrade paths and step 3 will be fixing the other stats to balance things. Because if you notice the new aircraft compared to the old aircraft are totally unbalanced from each other.

However I am not copying everything from intlidave's ideas, which is why I am posting here rather than just having you do stuff directly from his ideas. I would say around 80% of his stuff are worth changing.

Anywho thanks your work so far. This kind of stuff needs to be worked out before we do more future units or Thunderbrd adds in more combat mod stuff to those units.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@ls612

Please chnage the following ...

Ribauldequin
- Remove 50% vs Mounted
- Remove the "Doesn't Receive Defensive Bonuses"

Organ Gun
- Remove 50% vs Mounted
- Remove the "Doesn't Receive Defensive Bonuses"

Gatling Gun
- Reduce vs Mounted to 25%
- Remove the "Doesn't Receive Defensive Bonuses"

Thanks!

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

@Hydro:

1. Airships are DH's, so he'll need to change those.

2. Who added these planes anyways? Their modular structure is a complete and utter mess! I've had to make UNITCLASS_MODERN_FIGHTER the Stealth Fighter, and UNITCLASS_JET_FIGHTER the Modern Fighter in order to accomadate your changes, and I'm still not sure that I did it right. Please tell me what else I've missed, as I'm pretty sure this will take multiple passes to get somewhat right.

I can put the balloon units into the core if you like. It is probably about time they went there.

BTW have you fixed the Ornithopter yet? It can't be based in a city.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Dancing Hoskuld

1. Good idea.

2. Oh? Whats causing it not to be able to base in a city?

 

[Thunderbrd]

Oh? Whats causing it not to be able to base in a city?

Cities have no airbasing values at that stage of the game so we need to add a building that increases the amount of air units that can be based in the city for them. Said new building should obsolete at the time other air bases come into play (or they should replace said building.)

 

[strategyonly]

Cities have no airbasing values at that stage of the game so we need to add a building that increases the amount of air units that can be based in the city for them. Said new building should obsolete at the time other air bases come into play (or they should replace said building.)

I wonder then if thats what might be causing my CTD in the game i have, because a "rebel civ" has them and i see them "outside" the city limits??

 

[Hydromancerx]

@ls612

Ok I look through your changes. Looks like you missed some. I know it can be confusing so I will post the stuff still wrong.

Propeller Tactical Bomber
Upgrades to: Jet Tactical Bomber

Jet Tactical Bomber
Upgrades to: Drone Tactical Bomber

Airship
Upgrades to: Propeller Bomber
Note: DH moved the Balloons into the core now.

Bomber
- Change name to "Propeller Bomber"
Upgrades to: Jet Bomber

Stealth Fighter
- Change name to "Early Stealth Bomber"
Upgrades to: Stealth Bomber
Note: This is the F-117 Nighthawk model one, not the F35 one.

Hypersonic Recon Plane
Upgrades to: Drone Recon Plane

Double Biplane
Upgrades to: Propeller Fighter OR Propeller Tactical Bomber
Note: This should be found under the Alt-Timelines

Modern Interceptor
Upgrades to: Stealth Interceptor
Notes: Oops this was my mistake.

Stealth Interceptor
Upgrades to: Hypersonic Fighter
Notes: I guess I missed this one last time.

F4U Corsair
Rename to "Prop Naval Fighter"
Note: I cannot seem to find this unit.

Also ...

Gunship
- Rename to "Attack Helicopter"

AH-64 Gunship
- Rename to "Helicopter Gunship"

Many thanks in advance!

 

[Hydromancerx]

@ls612

To keep consistent with the other aircraft some need per turn. Apparently whomever put in the new aircraft forgot to do that. So while we are editing I think we should make them increase in cost by tech level.

+1 per turn
- Early Jet Fighter
- Jet Fighter
- Jet Naval Fighter
- Jet Interceptor
- Jet Bomber
- Jet Tactical Bomber
- Autogyro

+2 per turn
- Modern Fighter
- Modern Naval Fighter
- Modern Interceptor
- Supersonic Bomber
- Attack Helicopter

+3 per turn
- Stealth Fighter
- Stealth Interceptor
- Early Stealth Bomber
- Stealth Bomber
- Helicopter Gunship

+4 per turn
- Hypersonic Fighter
- Hypersonic Recon Plane
- Hybird Gunship

+5 per turn
- Orbital Fighter
- Orbital Bomber
- Drone Tactical Bomber
- Drone Recon Plane
- Dropship

Hows the other stuff in the post above going?

 

[God-Emperor]

Cities have no airbasing values at that stage of the game so we need to add a building that increases the amount of air units that can be based in the city for them. Said new building should obsolete at the time other air bases come into play (or they should replace said building.)

I have to wonder about this. In GlobalDefines.xml there is a value CITY_AIR_UNIT_CAPACITY which is set to 8. This ought to be the base capacity for air units in a city.

Except, perhaps, that the CvCity::clearModifierTotals() function sets it to 0 instead of the value that the main initialization sets it to (i.e. in CvCity::init it does a changeAirUnitCapacity(GC.getDefineINT("CITY_AIR_UNIT_CAPACITY"));)...

Sounds like a bug.

 

[ls612]

@Hydro:

In the Bugs/Crashes thread Koshling said that some of the recent CTDs are related to the Brigantine art. I looked at it and it seems that it is most likely a bad button. Could you please make a new button for the Brigantine? Thanks.

Also, I'm going to be adding the airplane cost tweaks (your numbers were a bit low, I'll up them) and the Cannon tweaks to the SVN. Regarding the Airplane Upgrade Chains, It is such a mess that could you please make a table giving their unit tag (UNIT_SOMETHING), their new name, and what they upgrade to? That way I won't have to spend six hours fixing this, I can't make heads or tails of what goes where. Also there are some duplicates in the modular and core code, so DH might want to look at those.