Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Just to let everyone know. I plan on starting a new thread after this update. I think I might even add somethings to the stats/rules that need to be there.
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To France:
From Germany:
The Kaiser echoes the sentimenets that an honourable proffesor in Paris said "German Union-...agreed to peace at pre war borders with some land being annexed by German Union, though both governments are arguing over a small piece of land that may or may not lead to war again." The Kaiser wishes to make it clear that he does not desire war. However France did agree to the treaty and affixed its mark to it.
Germany feels that France's objections have been rude and contempous. No compelling arguement has been presented as to why France should not have to pay some form of compensation for land she agreed to be handed over to Germany.
Germany urges France to further discuss terms before threatening war. Germany will not be held accountable for the damage dealt to France in the next war.
To: World
From: Germany
The Kaiser urges the nations of the world to witness the outright militarism of the French Imperial Government.
@germanicus12
I think you have misread the outcome of the conflict... you have effectively gained a large potential enemy on your borders who has been of recent driven into Britains camp.
From Germany:
The Kaiser echoes the sentimenets that an honourable proffesor in Paris said "German Union-...agreed to peace at pre war borders with some land being annexed by German Union, though both governments are arguing over a small piece of land that may or may not lead to war again." The Kaiser wishes to make it clear that he does not desire war. However France did agree to the treaty and affixed its mark to it.
Germany feels that France's objections have been rude and contempous. No compelling arguement has been presented as to why France should not have to pay some form of compensation for land she agreed to be handed over to Germany.
Germany urges France to further discuss terms before threatening war. Germany will not be held accountable for the damage dealt to France in the next war.
To: World
From: Germany
The Kaiser urges the nations of the world to witness the outright militarism of the French Imperial Government.
@germanicus12
I think you have misread the outcome of the conflict... you have effectively gained a large potential enemy on your borders who has been of recent driven into Britains camp.
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
That land was ours, it has been French since the NES began, (I dont know how long we had it before the NES began hence why I am saying that instead), Britain took it from us and handed it to you. We have the rightful claim on that land and demands that it be handed back to France.
France also does not desire war, but we are still willing to go to war to get what is rightfully ours. But France hopes Germany understands since a great war was fought over the very same issue in Italy. We do not need a repeat of the Great War.
Contrary to what you think, France is not flexing its imperialistic muscles, we just want what was ours back. Britain gave us back Africa so why cant you give us that region?
Also, we never signed into reality the agreement, if we signed it, then it must have been a forgery for no official treaty has been presented in front of France. Technically we are still at war.
OOC: for your OOC statement, I did not misread the outcome of the war, I know the potential risk. But France is the 2nd most powerfull nation in the world and is in the most powerfull alliance in the world so we are able to defend ourselves should the need arise. But we are hoping the need does not as long as Germany agrees to hand over that small piece of land.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
OOC-
I was thinking the same thing. Germany is not allied with France, and indeed is probably at odds with them. They aren't a lapdog of Britain, but if they had to choose they would probably go for Britain.
As far as politics goes, France now has two huge threats to face - however one has lost some major industry in India as a result of this war. On the other hand, they've gained a powerful ally in the Far East, staunchly opposed to Britain, with far greater manpower and potential for growth.
I'd best not declare all the intentions and capabilities of the East Asian Coalition, however if war does break out again it would not be unrealistic to expect a "reverse Imperialism" in which Asia declares its interests in Britain. They have the power, and France is their ally.
At any rate it's all very interesting. Only time will tell, however analysis shows that war won't break out again because the only belligerent capable of dragging Germany to fight France will no longer be capable of competing on such a scale.
The age of Britain (as I said before) is clearly coming to a close. Germany is figuratively inheriting their position, and in fact coming into agreements with Russia and Scandinavia. The American empires are, as ever, powerful, and in the Far East a sun is rising which may end up being in the running for "Winning the Century."
Britain falls, half a dozen countries rise up to take its place. France remains static. But they'll have to be careful, since an age is coming which is dismantling European imperialism.
Biggest winner of the war? Hard to say. I'd say the Germans, because all of a sudden they're an industrial superpower with the military might and industrial strength to completely topple the old regimes. Germany can give France a run for their money: the only difference being the Germans are entirely continental, and so in that respect have the advantage of consolidation.
Then again, the Indians are inheriting some 10-15 IC from the Raj, and are joining into a tightly-knit alliance which will probably make the world think twice. I'm fairly certain Britain was shocked by the blow dealt by the EAC, and now that they have time to sit on their haunchy laurels and count their coins, chances are we have the makings of a major and ambitious bloc which could - *ahem* - turn the world upside down.
This is all my 3rd-person musings. And to those who think, "Aha! Japan has revealed all of their plans!" I would advise them to think again.
I was thinking the same thing. Germany is not allied with France, and indeed is probably at odds with them. They aren't a lapdog of Britain, but if they had to choose they would probably go for Britain.
As far as politics goes, France now has two huge threats to face - however one has lost some major industry in India as a result of this war. On the other hand, they've gained a powerful ally in the Far East, staunchly opposed to Britain, with far greater manpower and potential for growth.
I'd best not declare all the intentions and capabilities of the East Asian Coalition, however if war does break out again it would not be unrealistic to expect a "reverse Imperialism" in which Asia declares its interests in Britain. They have the power, and France is their ally.
At any rate it's all very interesting. Only time will tell, however analysis shows that war won't break out again because the only belligerent capable of dragging Germany to fight France will no longer be capable of competing on such a scale.
The age of Britain (as I said before) is clearly coming to a close. Germany is figuratively inheriting their position, and in fact coming into agreements with Russia and Scandinavia. The American empires are, as ever, powerful, and in the Far East a sun is rising which may end up being in the running for "Winning the Century."
Britain falls, half a dozen countries rise up to take its place. France remains static. But they'll have to be careful, since an age is coming which is dismantling European imperialism.
Biggest winner of the war? Hard to say. I'd say the Germans, because all of a sudden they're an industrial superpower with the military might and industrial strength to completely topple the old regimes. Germany can give France a run for their money: the only difference being the Germans are entirely continental, and so in that respect have the advantage of consolidation.
Then again, the Indians are inheriting some 10-15 IC from the Raj, and are joining into a tightly-knit alliance which will probably make the world think twice. I'm fairly certain Britain was shocked by the blow dealt by the EAC, and now that they have time to sit on their haunchy laurels and count their coins, chances are we have the makings of a major and ambitious bloc which could - *ahem* - turn the world upside down.
This is all my 3rd-person musings. And to those who think, "Aha! Japan has revealed all of their plans!" I would advise them to think again.
From: Germany
To: France
Original Text of Treaty Complete with French Signature.
Peace Treaty Between Germany and France:
German Conditions of Peace:
It will retain the Low Countries and the Rhenish Confederacy both of which are now willing members of the Union and states of said Union.
It will furthermore annex the territories just south of the Rhine around to an area around Antwerp. This will only work out to be a small portion of land.
And it would also like the Tyroll which is the area just south of Austria (OOC it will cover the two cities in Dalmantia that are directly below Austria and nothing else)
Signed Emperor of All Germans Kaiser Wilhelm II
Signed Chancellor of Germany Blucher
France agrees to the above terms and add the following:
We go back to prewar borders and full withdrawal of all German troops from French and Italian lands.
Signed, Emperor Napoleon V, Emperor of France.
The Emperor of the French had no problem with the treaty before hand, if the Emperor of All Germans remebers it correctly France ran around shouting rather loudly "Aha now i can fight the British..."
The Kaiser has no understanding the issue that France has... France signedthe treaty if she cant be bothered to look at the fine print then the issue is not Germany's...
Germany has no desire for war but must make it clear that the Kaiser is Emperor of All Germans and that prior to France invading and occupying the territories under question now they were part of the Dutch Republic. The Dutch are of Germanic Stock the Kaiser therefores believes that it is entirely fair for Germany to ask for these areas. France agreed but appears to have reneged on its word.
Germany has offered France other avenues of escape restitution would be welcome instead of the territory but it would need to be acceptable to the Kaiser.
To: Japan
From: Germany
Germany remebers the Japanese with fondess for their actions in support of Prussia during the last war. While in the interest of good taste and continuing good relations with Britian, the Kaiser cannot say "Good Job" he can never the less raise his glass and incline his hat for old times sake. Germany has no interests in the Pacific and wishes to make that clear, unfortunately the Kaiser finds himself somewhat estranged by current circumstances from his former allies but would not like the current world situation to affect the friendship that still hopefully blossums.
OOC:
I agree with the summary Crezth Germany has come out rather well in this war althought i doubt my actions have meritied the biggest winner of this war.
The age of British and French domination of the world is well and truely over they can no longer issue dicktates and expect to be followed. The world is begining to reach equilibhrm power is flowing back towards newer powers.
Britian will begin to shrink economically as nations begin to pull away but France will suffer exactly that same fate.
To: France
Original Text of Treaty Complete with French Signature.
Peace Treaty Between Germany and France:
German Conditions of Peace:
It will retain the Low Countries and the Rhenish Confederacy both of which are now willing members of the Union and states of said Union.
It will furthermore annex the territories just south of the Rhine around to an area around Antwerp. This will only work out to be a small portion of land.
And it would also like the Tyroll which is the area just south of Austria (OOC it will cover the two cities in Dalmantia that are directly below Austria and nothing else)
Signed Emperor of All Germans Kaiser Wilhelm II
Signed Chancellor of Germany Blucher
France agrees to the above terms and add the following:
We go back to prewar borders and full withdrawal of all German troops from French and Italian lands.
Signed, Emperor Napoleon V, Emperor of France.
The Emperor of the French had no problem with the treaty before hand, if the Emperor of All Germans remebers it correctly France ran around shouting rather loudly "Aha now i can fight the British..."
The Kaiser has no understanding the issue that France has... France signedthe treaty if she cant be bothered to look at the fine print then the issue is not Germany's...
Germany has no desire for war but must make it clear that the Kaiser is Emperor of All Germans and that prior to France invading and occupying the territories under question now they were part of the Dutch Republic. The Dutch are of Germanic Stock the Kaiser therefores believes that it is entirely fair for Germany to ask for these areas. France agreed but appears to have reneged on its word.
Germany has offered France other avenues of escape restitution would be welcome instead of the territory but it would need to be acceptable to the Kaiser.
To: Japan
From: Germany
Germany remebers the Japanese with fondess for their actions in support of Prussia during the last war. While in the interest of good taste and continuing good relations with Britian, the Kaiser cannot say "Good Job" he can never the less raise his glass and incline his hat for old times sake. Germany has no interests in the Pacific and wishes to make that clear, unfortunately the Kaiser finds himself somewhat estranged by current circumstances from his former allies but would not like the current world situation to affect the friendship that still hopefully blossums.
OOC:
I agree with the summary Crezth Germany has come out rather well in this war althought i doubt my actions have meritied the biggest winner of this war.
The age of British and French domination of the world is well and truely over they can no longer issue dicktates and expect to be followed. The world is begining to reach equilibhrm power is flowing back towards newer powers.
Britian will begin to shrink economically as nations begin to pull away but France will suffer exactly that same fate.
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
Ahh, yes I now remember that, but if I recall, you kept the discussion going by mentioning that we will iron out the details next year or something with similar wording. France took that to mean that the treaty was not approved and therefore moved foward to take back the Netherlands up to the Rhine River.
If you wish to fully ratify the treaty and have it fully signed, then you should know better than to bring up the same treaty again and tell us to continue the talks next year. Perhaps you should clarify your position before we move further?
To: France
From: Germany
Germany is happy that France now remebers the previous treaty, Germany is not objecting to finding a way around this issue.
Germany wil be content with some form of compensation to make up for the movement of the border back to the Rhine for the most part the ideal situation for Germany would be the return of Alsace.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/Masada69er/Alsace.jpg
Germany will drop all claims to Antwerp.
OOC: You agree with the rest of my claims dont you germanicus12 its only the Netherlands across the Rhine we are disagreeing about?
This would be the total transfer of land.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/Masada69er/GermanOffers-1.png
Alsace was German in our timeline... and because Germany never formed and caused any significant trouble i would guess that Paris never had an excuse to mess with Alsace all that much.
@Lucky i have two sets of orders written... im just waiting for me and France to sort this out or not... and im waiting on Capitan2 to reply to a PM of mine. They will be incoming soon.
From: Germany
Germany is happy that France now remebers the previous treaty, Germany is not objecting to finding a way around this issue.
Germany wil be content with some form of compensation to make up for the movement of the border back to the Rhine for the most part the ideal situation for Germany would be the return of Alsace.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/Masada69er/Alsace.jpg
Germany will drop all claims to Antwerp.
OOC: You agree with the rest of my claims dont you germanicus12 its only the Netherlands across the Rhine we are disagreeing about?
This would be the total transfer of land.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/Masada69er/GermanOffers-1.png
Alsace was German in our timeline... and because Germany never formed and caused any significant trouble i would guess that Paris never had an excuse to mess with Alsace all that much.
@Lucky i have two sets of orders written... im just waiting for me and France to sort this out or not... and im waiting on Capitan2 to reply to a PM of mine. They will be incoming soon.
To Great Britain and Australia:
With peace already achieved between GB and fledgling India, Afghanistan, Nepal, and Bhutan as well as between the Asian Alliance and America we once again reiterate Asia's demands:
Spoiler :
As well as the 3ic reparations promised to UK and Australia each by Japan.
To: Asian Alliance
From: Great Britain
Great Britain declines. We cannot allow Japan and China to have control of these regions.
To: France
From: Great Britain
Peace has been made India will be Free and those lands exchanged.
OOC: Orders sent
D'Artagnan59
The Gascon
My head hurts with these peace talks.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
To: Britain
From: Japan
So be it. But the waves of your effort will crash in futility against the rock of our righteous might.
To: Germany
From: Japan
Japan has nothing but the utmost respect for its friends in the German Union. In fact, we wonder if the proposed Trans-Siberian-German-Scandinavian railroad could be extended into China and Korea? This would connect the Far East with the West in a way never before conceived of.
From: Japan
So be it. But the waves of your effort will crash in futility against the rock of our righteous might.
To: Germany
From: Japan
Japan has nothing but the utmost respect for its friends in the German Union. In fact, we wonder if the proposed Trans-Siberian-German-Scandinavian railroad could be extended into China and Korea? This would connect the Far East with the West in a way never before conceived of.
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To Great Britain
From India
We are pleased at your agreement.
From India
We are pleased at your agreement.
I'm guessing the most powerful is America?
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
If you got them in before 6 PM my time today. I would not have.
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
To Germany
From France
Alsace in past the Rhine river for you, France prefers that Germany stays on the Rhine River and keep it the natural barrier between us. Perhaps a different form of Compensation? IC perhaps?
OOC: Let us finish this up next update, since I have to send in my orders now before I begin my 12 hour drive. And yes, I agreed to the rest of your claims, the Netherland region is the only part that is being discussed.
From France
Alsace in past the Rhine river for you, France prefers that Germany stays on the Rhine River and keep it the natural barrier between us. Perhaps a different form of Compensation? IC perhaps?
OOC: Let us finish this up next update, since I have to send in my orders now before I begin my 12 hour drive. And yes, I agreed to the rest of your claims, the Netherland region is the only part that is being discussed.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
You could also just make the Netherlands independent.
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
Yeah, sure.... leave an nation that has the potential to ally itself with France's enemies and leave our northern border ripe to invasion. Sure France would be happy to do that.
Will begin on orders in 1 hour, I need lunch first.
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
France will pay 10 IC in two turns. (will send 5 IC for this turn in my orders, when we iron out the finer points the payments would either continue or end depending on price agreed on.)
Working on orders now.
To: France
From: Germany
Germany accepts. Payment of 5 IC this turn and 5 IC next turn. EDIT All France needs to do is reconfirm and sign the new peace treaty (which im not going to draw up) but which is the same except for the Antwerp area now deleted and replaced with 10 IC compensation, 5 this turn, 5 next turn. Signed by the Kaiser.
OOC: Back to bed.
From: Germany
Germany accepts. Payment of 5 IC this turn and 5 IC next turn. EDIT All France needs to do is reconfirm and sign the new peace treaty (which im not going to draw up) but which is the same except for the Antwerp area now deleted and replaced with 10 IC compensation, 5 this turn, 5 next turn. Signed by the Kaiser.
OOC: Back to bed.
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