LuckNES2: The Fatal Balance

[Luckymoose]

How will there be an eventual British loss? The British have superior tactics, training, technology and a massive fleet to support it. India is no way a lost cause. Plus, I am sure not all of Silvers radical social policies will be paticulary popular with everyone. As far I know any nation trying to push forward liberal policies always ecounters resistance.

I may be wrong and it is ultimately up to you but is it fair to doom Perfectionist before he even has a chance?

It is not fair to doom him but the way I see it is India has a taste of freedom and really won't stand for British rule any longer. Even if he won the battle the war would keep going until he left. No offense at your skills Perfectionist but this is not something you want to continue to invest troops into.

 

[alex994]

Ironically, I remember complaining about someone doing something interesting as Peru a while back. And look at how it turned out

And really, you're too kind moose. I'm not cunning at all, I'm a very truthful and obviously idiotic player.

 

[silver 2039]

I have partial orders and to to be fair....I have lots and lots of men...on my count it was close to two million, I have the home ground, a patriotic and unified country, and there's no tech gap I closed it. So really....the British don't stand a chance. I can still send orders if you want, and we can still battle it out... of course ur gonna have to wait till I get home....

 

[Luckymoose]

no need send orders for the BT.

 

[silver 2039]

no need send orders for the BT.

RAR I will send orders for the BT...shall I assume the swathes of organe are gonna dissappear or something?

 

[Luckymoose]

Include battle orders.

 

[silver 2039]

Alrighty......

 

[The Farow]

I have partial orders and to to be fair....I have lots and lots of men...on my count it was close to two million, I have the home ground, a patriotic and unified country, and there's no tech gap I closed it. So really....the British don't stand a chance. I can still send orders if you want, and we can still battle it out... of course ur gonna have to wait till I get home....

Yes, but the British army has the best training in the world. They are closer to Europe and get the latest tactics and battlefield innovations. Their technology will always be ahead of yours. Great Britain does not even need to win on land just by sea. Impose an econonimc embargo and use piracy to destroy all your merchant vessals. Your largest buyers would be European so he could put on an economic collapse possibly? Plus, you have not been unified that long so the idea of common bound especially with your reforms coupled with economic downturn could cause India to break up again. It may be free of the British but the British have done what they wanted destroy India before it is a threat to all their holdings in East Asia. Britain may not regain control over the whole of India but they there is huge possibility they could expand their holdings.

Perfectionist may need to adopt a strategy instead where he gains much from this war by taking very little land.

I am done arguing . It is fun to argue. I only have time for brief BT orders on Wednesday. Hopefully, these are acceptable as I believe the original intent of the BT orders were to stay short and brief.

 

[Disenfrancised]

I have partial orders and to to be fair....I have lots and lots of men...on my count it was close to two million, I have the home ground, a patriotic and unified country, and there's no tech gap I closed it. So really....the British don't stand a chance. I can still send orders if you want, and we can still battle it out... of course ur gonna have to wait till I get home....

Closing a tech gap is not just a matter of snapping your fingers you know; a progressive educational establishment requires long term stability and appropriate cultural bases (and western science was really helped along by independence from government), and Britains global trade presence will make them much more likly to be able to pick up new ideas and inventions. I wouldn't say about always, but at for least a few decade they wil have an edge (and more if you refuse foreign investment ).

I agree with the british unlikly to win on land, but then they don't necessarily have too.

 

[Perfectionist]

I have lots and lots of men...on my count it was close to two million

That's all? I have 1.9 million British soldiers, all at Elite or better, and I brought in Persia, with another seven hundred thousand men.

 

[silver 2039]

That's all? I have 1.9 million British soldiers, all at Elite or better

Theres no such thing as an army of 1.9 million Elite soldiers. Once you apprach those sizes the army turns into rabble.

Persia, with another seven hundred thousand men

I doubt there are that many men in the entire country. This is the much reduced Southern Persia we are talking about which poesesses 3 cities correct?

 

[Symphony D.]

Yes, but the British army has the best training in the world. They are closer to Europe and get the latest tactics and battlefield innovations. Their technology will always be ahead of yours. Great Britain does not even need to win on land just by sea. Impose an econonimc embargo and use piracy to destroy all your merchant vessals

Um, what?

India is like, you know a sub-continent, and self-sufficient and stuff, and full of rare and exotic goods, and all such a blockade would do would be... to hurt Britain itself, which is some puny far-away islands, which is why they're interested in the place to begin with?

 

[shortguy]

I have partial orders and to to be fair....I have lots and lots of men...on my count it was close to two million, I have the home ground, a patriotic and unified country, and there's no tech gap I closed it. So really....the British don't stand a chance. I can still send orders if you want, and we can still battle it out... of course ur gonna have to wait till I get home....

Patriotic and unified? One turn you declared equality of almost all sorts, and the next you were in the mosques pandering to your base. Some important group or other is bound to be pissed at you.

 

[Luckymoose]

Around 25 hours left for BT orders. So get them in.

Also India is highly patriotic right now. The British re-invasion pretty much guaranteed the unification. Even if the British win the first part of the war they will never hold India peacefully again.

 

[The Farow]

Around 25 hours left for BT orders. So get them in.

Also India is highly patriotic right now. The British re-invasion pretty much guaranteed the unification. Even if the British win the first part of the war they will never hold India peacefully again.

Well the argument is not holding onto all of India but whether Silver's state can hold together. Britain does not need to win completely just destroy Silver's state and maybe hold onto a few cities which even with highly patriotic people is not impossible.

Yes, India is economically independent but I am sure a large part of their economy relies and exporting those materials to other nations through trade with Europe. I may be wrong.

 

[Icmancin]

Orders sent (a few hours ago actually, but I feel it is necessary to announce this factoid to the World)

 

[Symphony D.]

Yes, India is economically independent but I am sure a large part of their economy relies and exporting those materials to other nations through trade with Europe. I may be wrong.

India was then, as now, mostly agrarian, just like China. The cities are big and all, but most people live out in the countryside as they always have, doing subsistance farming. That is why British colonial rule went relatively unnoticed to the vast bulk of Indian people. In short, no, a British blockade would do jack-all to the typical Indian person, and would do absolutely nothing to impinge upon their confidence. The only people who would be affected would be merchants and the upper-classes. And when someone's stated goal is your domination and subjugation under foreign rule, and you have a very dogmatic and driven leadership...

 

[The Farow]

India was then, as now, mostly agrarian, just like China. The cities are big and all, but most people live out in the countryside as they always have, doing subsistance farming. That is why British colonial rule went relatively unnoticed to the vast bulk of Indian people. In short, no, a British blockade would do jack-all to the typical Indian person, and would do absolutely nothing to impinge upon their confidence. The only people who would be affected would be merchants and the upper-classes. And when someone's stated goal is your domination and subjugation under foreign rule, and you have a very dogmatic and driven leadership...

Okay, but would not their economic centers and British invasion damage the econony in some form.

Also, with the upper class upset and Silver's social reforms wouldn't there be some sort of breakaway at some point? Just some points because I notice much of India's economic centers are port cities so I assume they are that because of trade.

 

[Symphony D.]

Okay, but would not their economic centers and British invasion damage the econony in some form.

For about 90% of the population, no, they flat would not notice. For the government and that remaining 10%, yes. But India will never collapse because the people get tired of blockade or some other such foolish thing, because the people will by-and-large never notice it.

Furthermore, British rule means the upper-classes and merchants are subservient to the British. They might not like silver's government but it does (at least for now) allow them rather more freedom because it needs their support, because yes, that's where a lot of the money is. As such, it's likely to coddle them. And if it's the other guy that's blockading your ports and is trying to take you over, are you going to be angry at your own government, or the one of the guy who's blockading you?

In the circumstances of a late-industrial era time period, if India, as a whole, wakes up, it's untennable. It has woken, and this British Empire isn't quite as strong as even the one that had to walk out in 1947.

 

[Luckymoose]

I enjoy this argument but for the most part Symphony is right.