Lust for Gold
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A strategic idea that I had, which I have not yet attempted...
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Lynxx said:
I'd like to see a good player take over the whole continent and see how the results compare to VoiceOfUnReason's result. I decided to have one last go. This time the priority was just to kick Victoria's backside. Second goal,take over the continent,get shrine gold.
No need for spoilers now I think. Some people have played 3 or 4 times and I think this is great. The strat and how yuo execute it seems to be the point here, not so much foreknowledge of the set up.
I destroyed Victoria around 1 AD and went on to harrass Julius who had just converted to Christianity. Took Rome at around 100AD. The plan is Maces for Mansa and then OR and missionaries.
Carried on to get 46. My best effort. Took timbuktu and only started spamming missionaries in about 1350. Julius closed his borders, and I lost Walata, the Christian shrine city.
Looking forward to seeing some other saves.
This is the eventual deal - you need more cities for more hammers for missionaries/number of cities for shrinegold, but you want to lower as much as possible the hammer investment to get those cities - the trick is finding a balance of how many cities you should have
Lynx, that's good even equal, but nowhere near better than my strat, don't be decieved, it gets a LOT harder to spread a religion later on when cities already have 3/4 religions.
Lynx, that's good even equal, but nowhere near better than my strat, don't be decieved, it gets a LOT harder to spread a religion later on when cities already have 3/4 religions.
I know it will get harder and harder to spread the religions and that is why i think having 4 religions is more than enough. I am hoping to reach your record and perhaps even beat it with a few coins but I know that is going to be hard. We will have to see what happens, I might even get attacked and destroyed before 1600... Will try to finish the game today or tomorrow so that I can tell you how my lust for gold ended.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Made of mess of my first game, abandoned it c 400ad. Practicing a few opening gambits before going for the deadline.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Getting a bit better. 1000bc: 3 cities, hinduism,buddhism, judaism and christianity; starting to build (theocratic) axes.
Alright I finished. I ended up with the neat sum of 119 gold per turn from shrines. This is a short writeup of how I did it.
I managage to found the first four religions in my capital, the last one with the help of the oracle(had to replay once as I missed it the first time with a few turns). I must say that I got lucky and I manage to spread confucianism with my missionaires and throught self spreading to the entire continent so that we all stayed friendly, even one inhabitant of the other continent turned confucian in the end. I founded three cities except my first one and started to spawn missionaires like crazy. In the last few turns I squezed in four more cities and spread my religoins to them. I must say that this was the first time ever that a newly founded town of mine got three religions in i the same time it got founded
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A few misstakes i did along the way was producing troops as I got afraid of the risk of someone turning on me and as I had so many missionaries running around I actually missed founding hinduism in two of my towns!
I could have tried to take the islam holy city as it was very close to my boarders but I decided against it as it would have been a bit risky. I founded the four extra towns instead and manange to get an extra 12 gold per turn out of that in the end. Far more than taking over the islam holy city would have netted me.
To betafor: You said you failed to spread a religion 8 times in a row to one city in your game. I never came close to that number and I almost never ever failed more than two times, a few rare times i failed three times in a row. Perhaps having missionaries from different cities changes the probability of spreading the religion... I dont have a clue, but since I had such an easy time spreading the religions I might even have profited from founding one of the last religions too. That would have given me one more typ of missionaires to build as my biggest problem was that I couldnt build missionaires all the time as they had to run pretty long distances.
Edit. I probably should say that I spread two more religions on the last turn (1600ad) so im not sure if I should state that I got 117 or 119 gold per turn. Mice cna be the judge here as he came up with this splendid idea .
I managage to found the first four religions in my capital, the last one with the help of the oracle(had to replay once as I missed it the first time with a few turns). I must say that I got lucky and I manage to spread confucianism with my missionaires and throught self spreading to the entire continent so that we all stayed friendly, even one inhabitant of the other continent turned confucian in the end. I founded three cities except my first one and started to spawn missionaires like crazy. In the last few turns I squezed in four more cities and spread my religoins to them. I must say that this was the first time ever that a newly founded town of mine got three religions in i the same time it got founded
. A few misstakes i did along the way was producing troops as I got afraid of the risk of someone turning on me and as I had so many missionaries running around I actually missed founding hinduism in two of my towns!
I could have tried to take the islam holy city as it was very close to my boarders but I decided against it as it would have been a bit risky. I founded the four extra towns instead and manange to get an extra 12 gold per turn out of that in the end. Far more than taking over the islam holy city would have netted me.
To betafor: You said you failed to spread a religion 8 times in a row to one city in your game. I never came close to that number and I almost never ever failed more than two times, a few rare times i failed three times in a row. Perhaps having missionaries from different cities changes the probability of spreading the religion... I dont have a clue, but since I had such an easy time spreading the religions I might even have profited from founding one of the last religions too. That would have given me one more typ of missionaires to build as my biggest problem was that I couldnt build missionaires all the time as they had to run pretty long distances.
Edit. I probably should say that I spread two more religions on the last turn (1600ad) so im not sure if I should state that I got 117 or 119 gold per turn. Mice cna be the judge here as he came up with this splendid idea .
Lynxx said:
First of all, congrats for the good jobz
Secondly, you lucky SOB - i'm starting to think that i would have had a MUCH better score if a lot of my hammers werent wasted on failed missionaries ( i was soo mad)(look at my save, you can see plenty of targets i could have gone to) - maybe this was luck, maybe based on something else (could a CIV geek explain how odds are calculated plz?)
Well thank you very much for that nice trophy. Will put it on my otherwise empty trophy shelf .
I am pretty happy about my succes in the game as I only had to do one try, mostly based on luck though. But I think that a player with the time and patience to pay attention to the details and plan ahead for the spreading of the religions can come above 150 gold per turn. That, however, I leave for someone else.
. I am pretty happy about my succes in the game as I only had to do one try, mostly based on luck though. But I think that a player with the time and patience to pay attention to the details and plan ahead for the spreading of the religions can come above 150 gold per turn. That, however, I leave for someone else.
carl corey
Deity
I finally managed to play this. Don't worry, Lynxx, your trophy is safe.
Here's my story: I founded Hinduism and a little later Judaism, while Mansa Musa founded Buddhism.
I already saw that would be a problem, since I decided to go all peaceful and we'd have at least two main religions on the continent.
Of course, it was Judaism that spread to Victoria while I was building my Hindu missionary. Grrr. Ok, converted from Hindu to Judaism. Ah, the advantage of being Spiritual!
Next step, I founded Christianity. I don't remember all the details, but I think at one point Caesar was Christian, than Buddhist, then I managed to get him back to Christianity while I also "convinced" Victoria to see the (other) light.
No shrines until now.
I missed Confucianism, as it has been built on the other continent. Got Taoism and Divine Right though, and now I had three cities, two with two religions founded in them, and Barcelona with one. I spread Christianity like hell - ugh, oops... - and converted Mansa Musa to it! Yey! He tried in vain to pop the cultural borders of one of his cities against Barcelona. He took three tiles which I took back later. Sheesh...
My last buildings were Universities, I think. I also got Liberalism first. I researched Military Tradition, then gifted a tech to Vicky, and a tech and a resource to Caesar to get them to Friendly and obtain Defensive Pacts. Meanwhile Mansa and I were doing the "here's the Buddhist, here's the Christian" dance, but fortunately nobody did anything stupid, like start a war with me in the middle.
Caesar and Mansa asked me a couple of times to stop trading with the other one, but I was already friendly enough so that they didn't take it as (much of) an offense.
I got two scientist I think - I build the Great Library in Barça. I also had Ankor Wat and the Chicken pyramid, and earlier the Oracle and Stonehenge. I got all five shrines, the last one in 1600AD. Unfortunately, it only had three cities with that religion. I build a fourth city to pump up some defenses just in case. I managed to build barracks in it then I hit the deadline. Perfect planning, if I can say so meself.
End result:
- Islam: 16
- Taoism: 3 (built shrine in 1600AD, didn't want to waste missionaries in case I popped a Scientist)
- Judaism: 19
- Hinduism: 12 (lost quite a few missionaries here... then again, I also used quite a few, it was bound to happen.)
- Christianity: 29, religion of the whole continent
Total: 79
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Thanks for the idea, mice, and congrats again, Lynxx! I'll now go and read what the others did.
And the save:
Here's my story: I founded Hinduism and a little later Judaism, while Mansa Musa founded Buddhism.
I already saw that would be a problem, since I decided to go all peaceful and we'd have at least two main religions on the continent.Of course, it was Judaism that spread to Victoria while I was building my Hindu missionary. Grrr. Ok, converted from Hindu to Judaism. Ah, the advantage of being Spiritual!
Next step, I founded Christianity. I don't remember all the details, but I think at one point Caesar was Christian, than Buddhist, then I managed to get him back to Christianity while I also "convinced" Victoria to see the (other) light.
No shrines until now.I missed Confucianism, as it has been built on the other continent. Got Taoism and Divine Right though, and now I had three cities, two with two religions founded in them, and Barcelona with one. I spread Christianity like hell - ugh, oops... - and converted Mansa Musa to it! Yey! He tried in vain to pop the cultural borders of one of his cities against Barcelona. He took three tiles which I took back later. Sheesh...
My last buildings were Universities, I think. I also got Liberalism first. I researched Military Tradition, then gifted a tech to Vicky, and a tech and a resource to Caesar to get them to Friendly and obtain Defensive Pacts. Meanwhile Mansa and I were doing the "here's the Buddhist, here's the Christian" dance, but fortunately nobody did anything stupid, like start a war with me in the middle.
Caesar and Mansa asked me a couple of times to stop trading with the other one, but I was already friendly enough so that they didn't take it as (much of) an offense.I got two scientist I think - I build the Great Library in Barça. I also had Ankor Wat and the Chicken pyramid, and earlier the Oracle and Stonehenge. I got all five shrines, the last one in 1600AD. Unfortunately, it only had three cities with that religion. I build a fourth city to pump up some defenses just in case. I managed to build barracks in it then I hit the deadline. Perfect planning, if I can say so meself.
End result:
- Islam: 16
- Taoism: 3 (built shrine in 1600AD, didn't want to waste missionaries in case I popped a Scientist)
- Judaism: 19
- Hinduism: 12 (lost quite a few missionaries here... then again, I also used quite a few, it was bound to happen.)
- Christianity: 29, religion of the whole continent
Total: 79
.Thanks for the idea, mice, and congrats again, Lynxx! I'll now go and read what the others did.
And the save:
Nice situation at 1600 carl corey. I like the diplomacy you used , something I couldnt get right. I'm amazed that you teched up to military tradition, and then gave it to Vicotria . It seems diplomacy was really the key to this score.
scipian
Czar
I'm very mad. I was doing fine. I was the biggest, strongest on my continent. Founded Judiasm, Hinduism, 3 turns from founding Christianity (missed Confucianism by 4 turns. Mali got Budhism). Had every of my cities and Victoria's with Hinduism and Judiasm. Was just getting all of Mali and Rome's converted. Rome and England were jewish (mine). It was 600 AD and I had both Shrines. Although Mali had a different religion, I had open borders. Then, out of the blue, victoria attacked me. Idiotic! I was best friends with her. Unfortunately, I had let my military go slack because all my neigbors loved me. I'll destroy her. But still, this delay me a lot. Building an army and destroying her when i could build enough missionaries to convert my entire contient easily by 1600. )^$&%*^%
I'll post the game and see if you guys can tell me why she attacked.
I'll post the game and see if you guys can tell me why she attacked.
scipian
Czar
Here it is. Turns out that I only had plus 2-3 relations. But still... It's really stange to attack the founder of your religion who is your ally and much stronger.
This was fun, what do you say when this topic dies down we start a series like ALC or emporers challenge of interactive shrinegold competitions(don't even have to be shrinegold, how about "Most cumulative manufactured goods at 1990", this would be a measure of how productive your empire is, meaning EXPANSION, ect)
@ scipian. Maybe she attacked because she was boxed in and needed a resource that you had or felt she wasnt going to do well without more good land. 'Care for borothers of the faith' doesnt mean much to her. I couldnt open your save. What was your total ?
@ Betafor. Yes go for it. Start one up. I've got some other ideas but they dont have the strategic depth of this one. For example,
Mansa, Monarch, Lakes, Raging barbs. See how much population you can get by , say... 300 AD. It would be a tactics test to handle the barbs, and then shoot for food resources.
Another idea is Terra,raging barbs, see how many cities you can found on the other continent by ...1800. something like that. Maybe Isabella again with the conquistadors.
Basically I like the idea of pitting yourself against another human without going to multiplayer. And the strategic discussion.
With this thread I'm still hoping for a save from pigswill and Hans Lemurson( the war approach)
@ Betafor. Yes go for it. Start one up. I've got some other ideas but they dont have the strategic depth of this one. For example,
Mansa, Monarch, Lakes, Raging barbs. See how much population you can get by , say... 300 AD. It would be a tactics test to handle the barbs, and then shoot for food resources.
Another idea is Terra,raging barbs, see how many cities you can found on the other continent by ...1800. something like that. Maybe Isabella again with the conquistadors.
Basically I like the idea of pitting yourself against another human without going to multiplayer. And the strategic discussion.
With this thread I'm still hoping for a save from pigswill and Hans Lemurson( the war approach)
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