Macedonia - A Naming Issue (split off from Altered Maps XVI)

Oh, speaking of blood, if you can decipher YouTube comment fights between present-day inhabitants of the Balkans, the Bulgarians very much cling to their Thracian heritage.
 
I'm getting so jealous of the Balkan countries.
They must have a booming economy, full employment, excellent public services and infrastructure and not a single real problem that other countries have.
If only the rest of Europe was doing so well that we could all WASTE OUR TIME ON THIS STUPID NONSENSE !!!


Edit: Quick google search revealed to me the existence of a city named Cologne in Minnesota. That's not Cologne !
I will now start writing angry letters to German politicians and newspapers, demanding that they start a rivalry with Minnesota and deal with stagnant wages and the housing crisis later.
 
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GoodSarmatian said:
Edit: Quick google search revealed to me the existence of a city named Cologne in Minnesota. That's not Cologne !
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um sorry when did Germany turn into France
 
GoodSarmatian said:
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Edit: Quick google search revealed to me the existence of a city named Cologne in Minnesota. That's not Cologne !
I will now start writing angry letters to German politicians and newspapers, demanding that they start a rivalry with Minnesota and deal with stagnant wages and the housing crisis later.
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On top of that, Minnesota also has Lake Bavaria! Which is not in Bavaria at all! I call all Bavarian politicians to join that rivalry so that those Minnesotans get what they deserve!

The sad thing is, that this would be more productive than what they are doing right now...
 
If you chaps think that you have a case, just look at all the UK names stolen for use in the New World! :eek:
 
Meanwhile in Ontario, we have London, Paris, York and Delhi within driving distance of each other.:D
 
Yeekim said:
I'm aware everyone in the neighborhood loves mapping their dreams. Does not mean FYROM has any realistic chance against Greece, even discounting NATO membership of the latter.
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I'm not saying it is rational to an outsider such as you or me, Yeekim, but this is something that has become an entrenched position.
Think that, at the time of Macedonia's independence from a rapidly-disintegrating Yugoslavia, Bulgaria had just finished expelling hundreds of thousands of Pomaks/Pomaci and there were a crazillion factions disputing control of half the peninsula, with at least three sides, everybody profiting from arming them, and not long after the Albanians in Macedonia themselves rising up against the (until then) peaceful government, borders being redrawn left and right and population being massacred and evicted all the time, all over the place, by every single party involved except possibly the Slovenians, who got out quick. That, plus Tito's old ambitions (again, at the time he had been dead for only a decade) of southward expansion (what would've happened if the central Yugoslav government had won the war? what if the USSR hadn't collapsed right there and then as quickly and bloodlessly as it did?), helped by the memories of (then) recent anti-Greek pogroms in Anatolia and Egypt, and how in the 1970s Greece had been betrayed by all its allies and the invasion of Cyprus tolerated, and you can easily get a paranoid mentality.

Also, you're not looking at it from the POV of the Greeks. To them, ‘Macedonian’ implicitly means Greek. The Slavs are not Greek, do not speak Greek, and try to appropriate Greek cultural signs and identity. They have no problems with Slavic people actually living in (the Former Yugoslav Republic of) Macedonia, but the use of the name sends them over the edge.

This is an emotional issue, not a rational one, but people are far less rational than people usually assume.
 
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Also, you're not looking at it from the POV of the Greeks. To them, ‘Macedonian’ implicitly means Greek. The Slavs are not Greek, do not speak Greek, and try to appropriate Greek cultural signs and identity. They have no problems with Slavic people actually living in (the Former Yugoslav Republic of) Macedonia, but the use of the name sends them over the edge.This is an emotional issue, not a rational one, but people are far less rational than people usually assume.
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Its the Balkans
Where people remove each others ethnicities and start wars all the time over tiny amounts of lands.
 
Hey, you people are still having trouble over lands seized in the late 18th-early19th century; the Greeks and Slavs are reminiscing about wars fought in living memory.
 
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Hey, you people are still having trouble over lands seized in the late 18th-early19th century; the Greeks and Slavs are reminiscing about wars fought in living memory.
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Everything was fine when you all got together to remove Kebab (Turkey) then Serbia decided it would remove Bulgaria as well and Greece decided it would get in on the action.
Of course it would be Greece turn next starting a land war in Asia Minor.

Why do I get the feeling that it was the fault of Greeks trying to impose, Greek culture and ethnicity over some territory it conquered during one of the Balkan wars that is the cause of this.
 
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betrayed by whom ? America allows some Greek Cypriot to topple some Archbishop who was like a better polished hater and then allows Ankara to land . Which would have been utterly defeated on the very first night , too . Would it be then awesome , matchless Greek heroism ? No one kept the Greeks from coming in . Though it would have been real fun for people to explain themselves on how there weren't enough resources because they were saving the rest for Midilli .
 
Well Macedonia has voted about 85% to change the name to North Macedonia but the turn out was less than 50%.
The vote is only advisory due too the low turnout but hopefully with such a high vote in favour it will go ahead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45699749
 
They should just change the name to "At Least We Aren't Constantly Bankrupt." I'm sure the Greeks would be happy with that.

Seriously, the Greeks are in the wrong here. It makes absolutely no difference to Greece what one of their neighbouring states is called, and if they had a single remotely competent government at any point since Metaxas they might realise that. But if you have repeated instances of ineffective, incompetent governments who can't win a war and have failed irredentist dreams, combined with economic mismanagement on a Burmese scale, then all you have to cling to is a dim remembrance of past glories and a need to blame everyone but yourselves. Yay, Balkans!

Just give it all back to Turkey and Austria already. It's probably the last time the region had competent leadership.
 
oh , typically Western . Al Crusading had this guy on where he just began talking without a single pause that they won with 92% . It took the anchor like a minute ot two to shut him up . West wins when West doesn't have the vote , too ...

with the standart provisions on how the Greeks are now utterly ecstatic or however you spell the word and Macedonians might now legally starve as Russian allies .
 
Well there are claims that Russia supported the vote boycott.
 
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