Making a new Magic System Part I: Summons
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are you sure you want a crusader summon? that seems a bit strange since a crusader is a mundane unit. for the angel why not use one of the mercurians angels, but not necessarily the generic ones.
i guess you want them tiered like the death summons: crusader (akin to skeleton) -> holy avenger (specter) -> angel (wraith)?
why not make it: einherijar -> holy avenger -> angel (i don't see the einherijar anywhere on your list of summons)
anyways i try to make you some new units. i also did see earlier that you needed new buttons for the fear and damage aura, i guess you ave found some already?
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I have to say that I am incredibly excited by what you guys and doing here. This will be like playing a bran new game.
Some comments:
(1) I hope you maintain the what tesb has done in terms of merging some spells into single effects
(2) I really like the idea of Mage Guilds offering buffs
(3) I really like the idea of Global Enchantment, however will there be an ability to remove the enchantment if lets say you are running low on Mana Commerce and prefer to spend it elsewhere?
(4) Please take into account game speed settings into rituals for summons
(5) I want to play this now!
(6) Illusions & Illusioninst trait, as was mentioned earlier needs redoing. My suggestion is for Illusionist trait gives -100% mana upkeep for summons, -100% cost of summons, and rituals are instant cast (summons that is) but places "buff" on summons called "illusion" -25% strenght and summons last 1 turn (same can buff can be applied to hall of mirrors illusions).
(7) I actually like tesb's suggestion with regards to spell sphere and leader allignment. But instead of tying it as leader traits, maybe tie it to government civics: Way of the Wicked or Way of the Wise. So, everyone gets elementalism but in order to access Evil or Light spheres of magic you need to adopt Way of the Wicked or Way of the Wise. Since, these are already tied to allignment then makes it simpler, and allignment can be changed by adopting religion, and neutral civs can pick either one - to me makes best sense.
Some comments:
(1) I hope you maintain the what tesb has done in terms of merging some spells into single effects
(2) I really like the idea of Mage Guilds offering buffs
(3) I really like the idea of Global Enchantment, however will there be an ability to remove the enchantment if lets say you are running low on Mana Commerce and prefer to spend it elsewhere?
(4) Please take into account game speed settings into rituals for summons
(5) I want to play this now!
(6) Illusions & Illusioninst trait, as was mentioned earlier needs redoing. My suggestion is for Illusionist trait gives -100% mana upkeep for summons, -100% cost of summons, and rituals are instant cast (summons that is) but places "buff" on summons called "illusion" -25% strenght and summons last 1 turn (same can buff can be applied to hall of mirrors illusions).
(7) I actually like tesb's suggestion with regards to spell sphere and leader allignment. But instead of tying it as leader traits, maybe tie it to government civics: Way of the Wicked or Way of the Wise. So, everyone gets elementalism but in order to access Evil or Light spheres of magic you need to adopt Way of the Wicked or Way of the Wise. Since, these are already tied to allignment then makes it simpler, and allignment can be changed by adopting religion, and neutral civs can pick either one - to me makes best sense.
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The Crusader will be renamed to Eternal Crusader or so. It's basically a crusader that died long ago and that you summon back to service. Will cost Faith instead of Mana. The art could use something that makes him a little bit more shiny so that he doesn't look like a normal crusader. The Eternal Crusader will be very useful to attack cities.
It's listed as host of the einherjar
yes, I found some buttons while browsing the spellbooks of a few games
ok that is a description with which i can work
what about the base graphics from host of the einherijar but with a two-handed yellow glowing sword and a different body? i see what i can do
good less work for me
what about the angel though, there are already a some angels ingame, i would like your take on the angel summon: is he very powerful? how will you distinguish between the angel and the holy avenger since you listed both of them as tier 3 isn't better to just merge the two? (since the holy avenger already uses the art of spehener)
Edit:
this brings me to a whole new idea: why not make summon-able items? for example make the holy avenger a sword that can be summoned and it grants a bit of strength and the combat aura when picked up.
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sounds good to meok that is a description with which i can work
what about the base graphics from host of the einherijar but with a two-handed yellow glowing sword and a different body? i see what i can do
don't worry, there is enough leftgood less work for me
The angel is more about protecting from harm while the holy avenger focuses on destroying evil. Maybe I'll rename the angel to archangel. His primary effect is a strong guardian angel aura which can keep units around him from dying when they attack. He also automatically cures disease, withered and weak, heals and blesses units around him. The Holy Avenger on the other hand makes units stronger and gives large attack bonus vs. Evil and Demons.
For the angel Seraph with a symbol instead of a burning sword would fit and for the Holy Avenger Sphener with a burning Doublesword instead of sword+shield but I have no idea how difficult that is or possible at all.
The AI is pretty bad at using equipment. Giving combat auras to some of the already existing equipment on the other hand could be fun.
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A holy symbol like the Priests in DnD have. For example the Priest in Heroes of might and magic has one
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o262/VokialBG/pre.png
a mace with a blue glow might fit as well.
angel is ready, since you said that it is more of an support/buff character i well, just look at the pic:
edit: there is a minor bug though: when the flames of the staff are infront of the wings they get blocked, i don't know how to fix this, but this is very minor
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edit: there is a minor bug though: when the flames of the staff are infront of the wings they get blocked, i don't know how to fix this, but this is very minor
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looks fantastic
Will this work? copy from the angel artdefine with KFM and nif changed
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could not fix it, i don't know how to move the nodes (move up/ down does not work). in the links you posted it seems easy since the child nodes are all in one array but in this model the are linked indirectly making it much more complicated, you could give it a try though if you think you might fix it.
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this will not work, remove the line:
<SHADERNIF>Art/Units/Civs/Mercurians/Angel/Swordsman_FX.nif</SHADERNIF>
if the angel is too big for you, you might lower
<fScale>0.53</fScale>
my current implementation:
type and button have to changed of course
this will not work, remove the line:
<SHADERNIF>Art/Units/Civs/Mercurians/Angel/Swordsman_FX.nif</SHADERNIF>
if the angel is too big for you, you might lower
<fScale>0.53</fScale>
my current implementation:
Spoiler :
type and button have to changed of course
eternal crusader is ready:
i used the body from the bannor champion, gave him the texture of the einherrijar a glowing sword and an recolored tweaked effect from the nullstone golem (i.e. you will see those yellow colors moving)
i suggest the following artdef:
you should change the nif path, type and the button.
i used the body from the bannor champion, gave him the texture of the einherrijar a glowing sword and an recolored tweaked effect from the nullstone golem (i.e. you will see those yellow colors moving)
Spoiler :
i suggest the following artdef:
Spoiler :
you should change the nif path, type and the button.
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