many Afghans don't know about 9/11 - how then do they see Americans in Afghanistan?

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A poll in two important Afghan provinces finds that the vast majority never heard of September 11:
The report by The International Council on Security and Development (ICOS) policy think-tank showed 92 percent of 1,000 Afghan men surveyed in Helmand and Kandahar know nothing of the hijacked airliner attacks on U.S. targets in 2001.

"The lack of awareness of why we are there contributes to the high levels of negativity toward the NATO military operations and made the job of the Taliban easier," ICOS President Norine MacDonald told Reuters from Washington.
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Ouch.
Small wonder the Afghani's don't have a very high opinion of us.
Sure, they may like us building roads and other stuff, but in their view, we still invaded them.
 
Not surprising, although I wonder if this knowledge would really make a big difference. I suspect not.
 
We went into their country and murdered them for something a terrorist group did..
 
So, the War on Terror is about terrorising Afghan citizens and then going to war with them? Great!
 
We went into their country and murdered them for something a terrorist group did..

Oh I feel so awful for the Taliban...

Sometimes you need to temporarily force freedom on people so they can see its benefits. If everyone wants a dictatorship, fine but since someone is certainly being oppressed, that argument doesn't work.
 
Oh I feel so awful for the Taliban...

Sometimes you need to temporarily force freedom on people so they can see its benefits. If everyone wants a dictatorship, fine but since someone is certainly being oppressed, that argument doesn't work.

You are literally justifying the deaths of thousands of innocent Afghans.
 
There's really no reason to think that they would have. They aren't exactly sitting around the TV every night.
 
Oh I feel so awful for the Taliban...

Sometimes you need to temporarily force freedom on people so they can see its benefits. If everyone wants a dictatorship, fine but since someone is certainly being oppressed, that argument doesn't work.

Except that's not really how the world works, but someday I think you'll see.
 
Shut up, you are literally justifying the deaths of thousands of innocent Afghans. You are insufferable.

I justified the overthrow of the Taliban, I never justified the injuries to civilians. If accidental, I would define that as a necessary evil, and murder if intentional.

Except that's not really how the world works, but someday I think you'll see.

Well, I'm well aware we can't always do this, but the problem is that people are saying "We should have left Afghanistan under Taliban rule, most Afghans approved of it!" Your darn right, its called propaganda, and there were minorities suffering under the regime. That alone was reason enough to invade. 9/11 gave us an excuse.
 
Send Rudy Giuliani over there and every man, woman and child will know about 9/11 by Thanksgiving.
 
Shut up, you are literally justifying the deaths of thousands of innocent Afghans. You are insufferable.

So what would useless do if 9/11 happend on his watch?

GWB took his time found out who did this and made the right decisons.
 
Well, I'm well aware we can't always do this, but the problem is that people are saying "We should have left Afghanistan under Taliban rule, most Afghans approved of it!" Your darn right, its called propaganda, and there were minorities suffering under the regime. That alone was reason enough to invade. 9/11 gave us an excuse.

Actually, if you were going for accuracy then its probably more that you can't ever do that.

If we had a time machine, should we go back in time and destroy the kingdoms and liberate the serfs?

Its condescending to the peoples of the nations to say that we have figured out the world, and we're gonna spread it by force.
 
Oh I feel so awful for the Taliban...

Sometimes you need to temporarily force freedom on people so they can see its benefits. If everyone wants a dictatorship, fine but since someone is certainly being oppressed, that argument doesn't work.

Call me stupid, but couldn't we have negotiated with the Taliban to help us capture the Al Qaeda leadership? Remember, we invaded Afganistan to capture Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri (remember them?), not topple the Taliban. From what I have read, they would have gladly helped us if we dropped some of the sanctions against them, they were working with our oil companies before the sanctions after all. Of course with that solution, the defense companies don't get paid.

And if you were looking to remove a brutal dictator, then why now North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, or Sudan be a target for regime change? Also, why are we trading with China, possibly one of the worst governments on Earth? That is why I find to whole national building rational to be a joke.
 
Call me stupid, but couldn't we have negotiated with the Taliban to help us capture the Al Qaeda leadership?

I thought we did? And since they didn't want to cooperate in handing him over, we invaded and tried to do it ourselves.

Hell, it even says it in the wiki article:

Wikipedia said:
After the refusal of the Taliban regime to cease harbouring al Qaeda, on October 7, 2001 the U.S. government launched military operations in Afghanistan.
 
A month isn't enough time?
 
Am I the only one confused by the "force freedom on people"?

Googled the phrase and got a bunch of political-looking forums.
 
I'm not entirely surprised by the lack of knowledge, but I doubt it would make much difference. I don't think the concerns of the Afghan people would be diminished if they knew about the catalyst for the invasion. The issues they face are much more immediate, and it's the current actions of NATO/coalition forces that will shape their opinion.
 
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