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Marco Rubio's Rebuttal and his WTH moment

Maybe the water bottle incident was a deliberate ploy to distract the media from the unfortunate fact that the GOP is too divided to even give a common rebuttal to Obama's SOTU?
 
I dunno - ask Howard Dean how he made it on The Chappelle Show. Byaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!

I thought that was stupid as well. The guy was hyped, he was excited and into it during a rally. I didn't think it indicative of anything, except that a man can become excited and hyped up during a political rally.
 
Yet I bet many of the people who are trying to dismiss Rubio's poor performance reacted just the opposite to Dean's video.
 
I thought that was stupid as well. The guy was hyped, he was excited and into it during a rally. I didn't think it indicative of anything, except that a man can become excited and hyped up during a political rally.

Actually it was only the tv audience that noticed the sound was weird. People at the rally didn't even realize until they got home and saw the media reporting on it.
 
Yet I bet many of the people who are trying to dismiss Rubio's poor performance reacted just the opposite to Dean's video.

Is this why you act like this, jealous? You see the Repubs make an ass of them selves, and you/dems don't wish to be out done?
 
His supporters aren't really very relevant. It is the fence sitters and those who were skeptical who will be negatively impacted by it. Just look at where Bobby Jindal is today compared to where he was supposed to be.

Jindal remains a highly popular (in his state) two-term Governor who is taking a major interest in the National GOP and is almost certainly going to run for President in 2016, just like his original plan.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) "is laying the groundwork for a likely presidential run -- and using his state as a testing ground for policies that play well with national conservatives," Politico reports.

"He's passed a sweeping school voucher plan, rejected the Medicaid expansion in Obamacare and proposed scrapping the state income tax."

"But political observers who've watched Jindal up close for years say it's become increasingly fuzzy where his governing ends and his presidential ambitions begin -- whether the 41-year-old policy wonk's plans are aimed at Louisiana's problems or future GOP voters in Iowa and New Hampshire.
That stupid volcano address was like, 3 years ago, and only the most degenerate politicos or partisans remember it. The guy is still going to be a force to be reckoned with
 
Is this why you act like this, jealous? You see the Repubs make an ass of them selves, and you/dems don't wish to be out done?
Am I "jealous" by merely stating the obvious? That it was a terrible performance for a multitude of reasons that I have already enumerated repeatedly? Comments which have been echoed by many experts in American politics? :crazyeye:

Jindal remains a highly popular (in his state) two-term Governor who is taking a major interest in the National GOP and is almost certainly going to run for President in 2016, just like his original plan.
Michelle Bachman, Herman Cain, Tim Pawlenty, Thaddeus McCotter, Gary Johnson, John Huntsman, Buddy Roemer, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, and even Sarah Palin ran for president in 2012, even though many of them didn't have a snowball's chance in hell. I wish him luck after no longer being groomed to eventually be president someday himself.

But the local paper certainly thinks he is still being "groomed" and "branded" by the GOP to eventually become president. This was the front-page story today:

Building the Marco Rubio brand

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Sen. Marco Rubio is on a breathless rise, a testament to his political skill and demographic appeal that last week saw him delivering the Republican State of the Union response and appearing on the cover of Time as "The Republican Savior." But behind the scenes is a relentless, methodical effort to build the Rubio brand, aided by a team of strategists and media handlers positioning the 41-year-old Floridian for an expected presidential run.

They include members of Rubio's Senate staff and presidential campaign veterans who work for the political committee Rubio formed ostensibly to help elect other conservatives.

Instead, the Reclaim America PAC has focused on consultants and building a national fundraising network. Last year, his PAC spent more than $1.7 million, with the vast majority going toward staff and fundraising, and about $110,000 going to other candidates, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

"It connotes a machine, someone who is grooming his image for a jump to higher position," said the center's executive director Sheila Krumholz.

Rubio's team plots policy and publicity moves, including his recent foray into the immigration debate. He was among eight senators working on a proposal, but Rubio took them by surprise — and ensured he would be front and center — with a Wall Street Journal piece laying out the framework before the group announced it.

The Rubio machine cultivates the image of a new breed of Republican, youthful, and as at ease talking about Tupac and the Miami Dolphins as talking about budget deficits. At the same time advisers dole out nuggets to the news media, they aggressively contest even the smallest points in articles.

The political fascination with Rubio has made it easier for his team to build helpful story lines. When he first took office in the U.S. Senate, it was Rubio the humble, political star keeping his head down. That was followed with periodic "major" policy rollouts — foreign policy, job creation, the middle class. When Rubio gives a speech it's invariably a "major" address. A young assistant is always there to record it on video and take photographs.

"It's almost like he's the Backstreet Boy of American politics, a Hollywood creation of what a model political candidate should be," said Chris Ingram, a Republican communications consultant from Tampa who has been critical of Rubio. "He has to deliver on the hype, but from a P.R. perspective, it's textbook."


And constant. Last week, Rubio issued 17 press releases. By comparison, former vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, another potential 2016 candidate, released three.

• • •

Rubio's political inner circle includes PAC employees Heath Thompson and Terry Sullivan, two operatives who made their names in South Carolina's bare-knuckled political culture and are close with former Sen. Jim DeMint. The hyper-competitive Thompson is a college football fanatic more comfortable in a baseball cap than suit and tie.

For broad messaging strategy, there is the roguishly charming Todd Harris who knows practically everybody in the political media and is never shy about excoriating reporters.

The Senate staff includes Alberto Martinez, who goes back to Rubio's days as speaker of the Florida House and can anticipate where critics might attack Rubio, and Alex Burgos, another Rubio campaign alum and true believer who pushes back at any hint of negativity in Rubio coverage.

At the center is Rubio himself: charming, articulate and calculating. He long ago recognized the power of personal narrative and stepping into the right moment. On immigration he has reinvented himself as a reformer, backing away from the hardliner he was two years ago as a candidate moving to the right to meet a rising tea party.

In his speech after the State of the Union, he spoke of his Cuban immigrant parents and said the words "middle class" 16 times, part of an effort to show himself as a regular guy, the anti-Mitt Romney, even though the underlying big-government-is-bad theme struck many as old school Republicanism.

The image-building has been so well executed that it made Rubio's awkward grab for water even more startling — an unscripted moment that showed him at once human and un-savior like.

Rubio deftly poked fun at himself, tweeting a picture of the Poland Spring bottle. But well before the gaffe, his press handlers ensured he would control the message the next morning, having booked a string of TV appearances, including Fox and Friends and Good Morning America. Rubio also went on CNN en Espanol, where, speaking fluent Spanish, he reached an audience mostly untapped by other politicians.

He finished the day on conservative radio. When host Mark Levin asked how Rubio could put up with "stupid interviewers" (meaning the mainstream media), Rubio made a sports analogy about a warm weather team having to play in cold areas and added:

"You've got to play the game."

In a savvy move after the water bottle incident, the PAC on Wednesday began offering water bottles with Rubio's name on them to anyone who donated at least $25. "Send the liberal detractors a message that not only does Marco Rubio inspire you … he hydrates you too," the pitch read.

Rubio used his PAC to pay $20,000 to Mark Salter, a strategist who helped run John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign, for help writing a memoir. An American Son came out last year, and Rubio parlayed it into a highly-publicized bus tour through key election states. Loads of gushing national TV exposure followed.

An early favorite for the GOP presidential nomination in 2016, his State of the Union response brought new recognition but also more scrutiny.

Rubio, who paid a company nearly $50,000 to do research into his background, has his team ready to push back. Nothing seems to small or far-flung.

A common example: A Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reporter in 2011 posted a blog item about a news conference and mentioned how Rubio showed up late and "did his best to steal the show" with stirring talk about his elderly mother. The reporter was startled when an hour later Burgos reached out to complain. Still, Burgos managed to get the blog updated.

"It certainly is a long time to try to stay safe until 2016, if he's running," said Republican strategist Alex Castellanos. "You have to have real substance to last that long. Image alone won't do it." He said Rubio's speech was a good first step, and the lawmaker followed the next day by introducing a bill that would give tax credits so poor kids can attend private school.

"Rubio may be fortunate that he got this early attention so that stories like inflating his resume about his Cuban roots and the credit card have been raised enough at the national level that they won't be treated as news," said Norm Ornstein, resident scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, and a longtime watcher of Congress. "But if I were a political figure and had a cover on Time that said 'the savior,' I would have at best mixed emotions. The more you get built up, the more the temptation (of the media) to show the chinks in your armor and bring you down."

Rubio knows that. Shortly after the cover came out, he went to Twitter. "There is only one savior," he wrote, "and it's not me. #Jesus."
But I'm sure it will all just be dismissed by many from the right wing as the "liberal" media being "jealous" and "don't want to be outdone", instead of merely reporting the facts that he is far from being a so-called "savior". That he is quite deliberately being "branded" and "groomed" for the presidency as Jindal once was.
 
Jindal remains a highly popular (in his state) two-term Governor who is taking a major interest in the National GOP and is almost certainly going to run for President in 2016, just like his original plan.
Ehm, actually, he was popular, now his approval ratings are in the toilet.

Over the last two and a half years though there's been a massive downward shift in Jindal's popularity, and he is now one of the most unpopular Governors in the country. Just 37% of voters now think he's doing a good job to 57% who are unhappy with him.

The decline in Jindal's popularity cuts across party lines. Where he was at 81/13 with Republicans in August 2010, now it's 59/35. Where he was at 67/22 with independents back then, now he's at 41/54. And what was a higher than normal amount of crossover support from Democrats at 33/58 is now 15/78.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...ndrieu-leads-republicans-for-re-election.html
 
Rubio sticks his foot in his mouth again while showing he is just a partisan hack. That he even hypocritically blames others for what he did himself by revealing the "gang of 8" immigration reform measures before they were ready to be made public:

President Obama’s administration drafted legislation this month that could give undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship in eight years, require employers to check workers’ immigration status and increase penalties for those who break immigration law.

The ideas appear in three separate draft bills, obtained Monday by The Miami Herald, that closely resemble many of the reforms advanced in 2011 by Obama and, more recently, by Republican Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.

Both Rubio and Obama, for instance, support special pathways to residency for those students and soldiers who were brought illegally to this country as children. In the White House draft legislation, the proposal closely resembles what’s known as the DREAM Act.

But in a sign of the politically fragile talks over immigration reform, Rubio reacted with a measure of fury Saturday when the proposals were first reported by USA Today.

“President Obama’s leaked immigration proposal is disappointing to those of us working on a serious solution,”
Rubio said in a written statement that mischaracterized the White House’s involvement in disseminating the bills.

“The President’s bill repeats the failures of past legislation,” the statement continued. “It fails to follow through on previously broken promises to secure our borders, creates a special pathway that puts those who broke our immigration laws at an advantage over those who chose to do things the right way and come here legally.”

Rubio's concerns are more about what's not in the bills: more border security, improved tracking of immigrants who overstay their visas, a guest-worker program and an immigration system that attracts high-skilled workers.

Also the draft bills obtained by The Herald and USA Today show that, contrary to Rubio’s concern, the plan wouldn’t give illegal immigrants a chance to obtain citizenship before those who lawfully entered the country.

One of the draft bills, labeled “Title II Legalization,” explicitly lists a section that says undocumented immigrants applying for legal residency must go to the “BACK OF THE LINE.”

That section says an “alien” may not apply to become a lawful permanent resident for eight years or for “30 days after an immigrant visa has become available” for those who lawfully entered or attempted to enter this country.

The eight-year provision was an estimate — not a hard-and-fast policy proposal — for how long the lawful-immigrant line-clearing would take, an official said.

The White House insists it didn’t leak the draft legislation and doesn’t intend to push its proposals because President Obama wants to defer to Rubio and his fellow members of the Gang of Eight, the bipartisan group of senators hammering out an immigration plan.

Rubio, generally adored by the conservative pundits, has become the most high-profile Republican associated with immigration reform, which has largely failed due to GOP opposition in the past.

White House officials reached out to each of the eight senator’s offices, including Rubio’s, to soothe nerves and allay any concerns that the president was trying to trump the Senate’s efforts.

“We’ve not proposed anything to Capitol Hill yet,” Denis McDonough, Obama’s staff chief, said Sunday on ABC’s This Week program. “We’re going to be ready. We have developed each of these proposals so we have them in a position so that we can succeed.”

Much of the immigration proposal resembles language from the 2007 comprehensive immigration reform plan that died in Congress. So there’s not much new.

Still, the proposal gives a glimpse of what the White House sees as important.

And the proposals that have surfaced so far don’t go far enough for Rubio when it comes to border security.

Since and before his election to the U.S. Senate in 2010, Rubio has said the United States needs to make the border more secure. He has called for more fences, remote-control drones and border agents.

Under a plan pushed by Rubio, illegal immigrants wouldn’t get a chance at getting a green card until an advisory group verified that the border is secure. How that would be determined is unclear.

But Rubio and his fellow senators plan to release specifics in the coming weeks when they unveil their legislation.

The legislation would also clarify how undocumented immigrants get legal status — or become a “Lawful Prospective Immigrant” in the White House legislation — and when they can apply for citizenship.

Both Obama and Rubio generally believe in a pathway to citizenship for the undocumented and say they should submit to criminal background checks, pay fines, back taxes and learn English.

The White House bill also says the Lawful Prospective Immigrant must give “biometric” information and should show an “understanding of the history and Government of the United States.”

Rubio’s decision to support a pathway to citizenship stands in stark contrast to his rhetoric on the campaign trail.

In a May, 2010 interview with the conservative “Human Events” publication, Rubio said giving a pathway to citizenship undermines border security.

“You’re never going to be able to do that,” he said, “if you have an immigration system that says ‘come to this country illegally. If you’re able to stay here long enough, you’re able to stay here forever.’ And you’re never going to have a legal immigration system that works if you grant amnesty.”


Later, in a CNN debate, Rubio said that “earned path to citizenship is basically code for amnesty.”

One of the White House draft bills calls for an unspecified increase in Border Patrol agents and technological assets used to monitor border security.

Still, the White House legislation subtly takes issue with the Republican concern that the border isn’t secure. In the draft labeled “Title I Border Interior Enforcement,” the legislation lists about three pages of border-security stats printed as Congressional findings of fact.

The first finding: “Today, our borders are more secure than at any time in history.”

Aside from the emphasis on border security, there appears to be relatively little in the White House draft proposals that conflicts with what Rubio wants.

Though The Herald obtained three pieces of draft legislation ranging from 45 to 95 pages each, White House officials are preparing other drafts in case the Senate fails. Some of the documents also include language the White House wouldn’t push for, such as allowing so-called “chain migration,” which could permit a once-undocumented immigrant to bring family members lawfully into the United States.

Some of the measures in the current drafts would:

* Establish border-patrol “community liaison offices” along the southern and the northern borders.

* Make Indian tribes “adversely affected by illegal immigration” eligible for grants.

* Collect statistics relating to border-crossing deaths

* Increase fines and prison sentences for those who evade border-enforcement officers, commit immigration fraud or smuggle anything from drugs to people to cash.

* Require employers to check the immigration status of employees.

* Study the new system to verify immigration employment

* Increase the number of immigration judges

* Begin the issuance of “fraud-resistant, tamper-resistant, and wear-resistant Social Security cards.”

* Give “temporary protection for victims of crime, labor and employment violations” so that illegal immigrants can help law enforcement.

* Establish new fees to pay for the legalization of the undocumented

U.S. Rep. Joe Garcia, a Democrat from Miami, said the president’s proposal is “a good place to start. It encompasses everything Rubio’s talking about. Except it has Obama’s name on it.”

“It’s part of what’s wrong with Washington,” Garcia said. “There’s this whole construct: if it’s theirs, I can’t support it. If Obama’s behind it, Republicans are against it.”
Meet the new GOP, same as the old GOP.
 
I wouldn't call either party particularly pure, and being evil does not preclude also being very stupid.
 
I wouldn't call either party particularly pure, and being evil does not preclude also being very stupid.

Well, not all of them, particularly at the lower level, or some of the guys on the "Fringe." But as a whole, the party leaders, the organizations, support mass murder, both through abortion and through imperialism. How much more evil can you get? I think both the GOP and the Dems are devious, not stupid, as a whole.

I would think "Stupid" would be more like the green party, meaning that they actually mean well even though their economic policies would lead to economic collapse.
 
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