Match-up: F-15 vs. Su-35
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Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
F-15. Tried and tested in the heat of actual combat.
Also to be taken into account are the force multipliers on the side of the F-15, such as the information provided by the E-3 Sentry AWACS.
If we are being realistic, and viewing the jets in their context, not in some abstract imaginary way, then the F-15 wins hands down.
I do concur with IceBlaze; the F-15 should be compared to aircraft of its own generation. The margin of victory there is even more pronounced.
Also to be taken into account are the force multipliers on the side of the F-15, such as the information provided by the E-3 Sentry AWACS.
If we are being realistic, and viewing the jets in their context, not in some abstract imaginary way, then the F-15 wins hands down.
I do concur with IceBlaze; the F-15 should be compared to aircraft of its own generation. The margin of victory there is even more pronounced.
I think this is a good match-up, i could have posted an F-15 vs. Su-27 thread, but the Su-27 couldn't match up to the F-15 anyway, the Su-35 is at the same technology level as the newer F-15 versions, so i don't see how this is a mismatch.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
How about an F-117 and a MiG-21? 
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Or an F-16 and a Yak-9?
F-15 against Su-27/Mig29 is more accurate.
"the Su-27 couldn't match up to the F-15 anyway"
That much is beyond dispute.
F-15 against Su-27/Mig29 is more accurate.
"the Su-27 couldn't match up to the F-15 anyway"
That much is beyond dispute.
Your poll while interesting, is nothing more.
Yeager said it best it's not the machine that counts it's the MAN in the machine. And whats more he proved it.
As when he was a test pilot he flew a F-86 vs MiG 15 and a Mig 15 VS F-86 against a fellow USAF test pilot. Winning both engagements hands down (Yeager: Biography).
Also Soviet pilot training, tactics and Fighter Control are markebly inferior to western tactics. It's not anti-communist bias it's fact.
And the F-15 is no longer front line (operational since 1975) tech now where as the Su-35 is the Russkies latest and greatest.
Not too mention the cockpit layout is antiquated by todays standards and pilots in Fulcrums and Flankers, can suffer easily from information overload in a high threat environment (luv all the fancy terminology huh?). Hence losing SAW (Situational Arewareness) and getting toasted.
The one clear advantage that the Mig - 29 had and in Luftwaffe/Nato exercises (Fulcrums vs F-16's). Fulcrums were deadly in a head-to-head engagement in a 30 degree arc, due to helment mounted IR targeting device. I'm a bit skecthy on the details, but suffice to say it gave the Falcon pilots alot of food for thought. If I can re-find the artcile I'll come back and post the link.
Hence I voted F-15, hands down winner in my book.
*Ohkrana - I just know things*
Yeager said it best it's not the machine that counts it's the MAN in the machine. And whats more he proved it.
As when he was a test pilot he flew a F-86 vs MiG 15 and a Mig 15 VS F-86 against a fellow USAF test pilot. Winning both engagements hands down (Yeager: Biography).
Also Soviet pilot training, tactics and Fighter Control are markebly inferior to western tactics. It's not anti-communist bias it's fact.
And the F-15 is no longer front line (operational since 1975) tech now where as the Su-35 is the Russkies latest and greatest.
Not too mention the cockpit layout is antiquated by todays standards and pilots in Fulcrums and Flankers, can suffer easily from information overload in a high threat environment (luv all the fancy terminology huh?). Hence losing SAW (Situational Arewareness) and getting toasted.
The one clear advantage that the Mig - 29 had and in Luftwaffe/Nato exercises (Fulcrums vs F-16's). Fulcrums were deadly in a head-to-head engagement in a 30 degree arc, due to helment mounted IR targeting device. I'm a bit skecthy on the details, but suffice to say it gave the Falcon pilots alot of food for thought. If I can re-find the artcile I'll come back and post the link.
Hence I voted F-15, hands down winner in my book.
*Ohkrana - I just know things*
I'll further qualify my comments.
On a one on one engagement with pilots of equivalent skill and training. On a level playing field (ie no force multipliers).
F-15 A/C VS Su-35 : Su-35 will win out due to the edge in maneveurability and Thrust. As well as an advantage with short range IR and Radar guided missiles.
F-15 E VS Su-35 : F-15 strike versions and higher models, win out due to better avionics and a second set of eyes in the back.
Export versions of the F-15 I've not included, die to downgraded Avionics they would be less likley to come up even against the Su-35.
Of course in a 'Real Situation', F-15 has all the advantages. Training, communications, cockpit layout, fighter control etc.
As for an even match up? Ludicrous idea. Who goes into a fight with out seeking a definite advantage they can use against their opponent?
Only a fool in battle would go into a fair fight, given a choice!
On a one on one engagement with pilots of equivalent skill and training. On a level playing field (ie no force multipliers).
F-15 A/C VS Su-35 : Su-35 will win out due to the edge in maneveurability and Thrust. As well as an advantage with short range IR and Radar guided missiles.
F-15 E VS Su-35 : F-15 strike versions and higher models, win out due to better avionics and a second set of eyes in the back.
Export versions of the F-15 I've not included, die to downgraded Avionics they would be less likley to come up even against the Su-35.
Of course in a 'Real Situation', F-15 has all the advantages. Training, communications, cockpit layout, fighter control etc.
As for an even match up? Ludicrous idea. Who goes into a fight with out seeking a definite advantage they can use against their opponent?
Only a fool in battle would go into a fair fight, given a choice!
Already been done, over the Skies of Hanoi.
The Mig-21 had the edge in maneuvring and could out turn the F-4 below 20,000 feet.
Around 20,000 feet or so the F-4 had the advanatge, due to the canked wing.
The Mig - 21 had guns though which was an advantage over the earlier versions of the F-4.
But to counter the manevurability of the Mig-21 the F-4's used their power. The same tactic the Hellcats used against the Zero's in the pacific.
ie - The Mig would turn tight to shake the F-4, the F-4 goes power up and high then rolls inverted and pulls into position high above the Migs Six. Bang one Mig down.
It's all Physics!
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