Math06: RaR, OCC, Space
- Thread starter Mathias
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Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
Pre-flight: looks familiar 
OK so here's the mini map and the current tech tree. I spent a turn on nationalism since it's a no-brainer tech towards factories. The situation is that india has had ~15 turns to regroup and prepare to invade Persia, and the poor perses have nothing to defend themselves. Gifting them all the way to steam power could give them an edge - alrthough nationalism would be bad considering how many shields it takes for a hussar. It would also make them very much more likely to road that coal and trade it. OTOH we could ship a worker there, RoP with them and do it ourselves, which wouldn't be a totally bad idea. Either way we need coal, they need techs. Perhaps gifting after the worker is there, RoP'd and has roaded the tile could be a good plan.
Here I highlighted the techs we'll need for fisheries, rails, public school, Statue of Liberty and sewers IIRC. I'd be in favor of just finishing the renaissance techs, for now, however.
The Save
Spoiler turnlog - rather dull actually :
OK so here's the mini map and the current tech tree. I spent a turn on nationalism since it's a no-brainer tech towards factories. The situation is that india has had ~15 turns to regroup and prepare to invade Persia, and the poor perses have nothing to defend themselves. Gifting them all the way to steam power could give them an edge - alrthough nationalism would be bad considering how many shields it takes for a hussar. It would also make them very much more likely to road that coal and trade it. OTOH we could ship a worker there, RoP with them and do it ourselves, which wouldn't be a totally bad idea. Either way we need coal, they need techs. Perhaps gifting after the worker is there, RoP'd and has roaded the tile could be a good plan.
Here I highlighted the techs we'll need for fisheries, rails, public school, Statue of Liberty and sewers IIRC. I'd be in favor of just finishing the renaissance techs, for now, however.
The Save
There is a potential coal colony on the north coast of India, near Hamburg, Königsberg and Chittagong. It would take 13 turns to get a worker there, and 12 turns to research directly to High Explosives. Investigation of those three cities, to determine when expansion would give that tile to India, would cost a total of 214 gold.
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
That didn't strike my mind at all but gets full approval from this idiotic companion of yours.
Spoiler boring turnlog :
We're deep enough into this game that my ignorance of what's efficient will start to show through. Hope this doesn't cause a problem.
1000AD save
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
I'd suggest spending the 3 turns we might need on factories, given we won't be caught short in the renaissance optionnals anyways most likely.
Have those workers been sent to colonize the coal ? That could be very worth it.
Have those workers been sent to colonize the coal ? That could be very worth it.
Disenfrancised
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Okay I've got it but it might take me a long time to play...
Disenfrancised
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Haven't played any turns - My excuse of undergoing major surgury for the last 3day is quite good though I feel. I'm going to go have a lie down with some painkillers but can play tomorrow unless anyone else wants to grab it.
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
My bet Mathias will have a few turns before you're up again 
???1000 AD (0)
Investigation of Indian cities reveals that Hamburg will expand in 18 turns. Since no worker was sent out to colonize the coal, a trip that would take 13 turns leaving us with only 5 turns of coal, I abandon that idea.
To Tibet:
Mercantilism and Humanism for 1949 gold and World Map.
To India:
Political Philosophy for 970 gold
Absolutism for 2349 gold
Mercantilism for 1335 gold
Metallurgy for 688 gold and World Map
1010 AD (1)
IT: Free Artistry >> Naval Cannon
Tibet is building Encyclopédie
1020 AD (2)
IT: Aztecs extort Education
1030 AD (3)
IT: Naval Cannon >> Industrialization >> Steam Engine >> Sanitation
Theory of Evolution >> (Sewer System)
1060 AD (6)
IT: Sanitation >> The Corporation
Sewer System >> (Stock Exchange)
1070 AD (7)
Growth to size 19 leaves us at -1 fpt
1090 AD (9)
IT: The Corporation >> Refrigeration
Stock Exchange >> Shipyard
1100 AD (10)
Note: After Shipyard is complete, prebuild for Fishery and use 'Big Picture' to switch to Fishery when we discover Refrigeration.
Tibet needs only Economics to advance into the Industrial Age, and India needs 5 techs. We will be able to trade for coal from India, but we are not ready to gift them any techs.
After Refrigeration, we should probably pick up the last two M&R optionals. Once we have those, or if we choose to skip them, it will probably be a good time to revolt and switch to Federal Republic. We'll need Refining for the Statue of Liberty, and then High Explosives for railroads. I'm not sure exactly what direction to go after that.
Investigation of Indian cities reveals that Hamburg will expand in 18 turns. Since no worker was sent out to colonize the coal, a trip that would take 13 turns leaving us with only 5 turns of coal, I abandon that idea.
To Tibet:
Mercantilism and Humanism for 1949 gold and World Map.
To India:
Political Philosophy for 970 gold
Absolutism for 2349 gold
Mercantilism for 1335 gold
Metallurgy for 688 gold and World Map
1010 AD (1)
IT: Free Artistry >> Naval Cannon
Tibet is building Encyclopédie
1020 AD (2)
IT: Aztecs extort Education
1030 AD (3)
IT: Naval Cannon >> Industrialization >> Steam Engine >> Sanitation
Theory of Evolution >> (Sewer System)
1060 AD (6)
IT: Sanitation >> The Corporation
Sewer System >> (Stock Exchange)
1070 AD (7)
Growth to size 19 leaves us at -1 fpt
1090 AD (9)
IT: The Corporation >> Refrigeration
Stock Exchange >> Shipyard
1100 AD (10)
Note: After Shipyard is complete, prebuild for Fishery and use 'Big Picture' to switch to Fishery when we discover Refrigeration.
Tibet needs only Economics to advance into the Industrial Age, and India needs 5 techs. We will be able to trade for coal from India, but we are not ready to gift them any techs.
After Refrigeration, we should probably pick up the last two M&R optionals. Once we have those, or if we choose to skip them, it will probably be a good time to revolt and switch to Federal Republic. We'll need Refining for the Statue of Liberty, and then High Explosives for railroads. I'm not sure exactly what direction to go after that.
Beorn-eL-Feared
Idiot riding pedals
I'm defintely for the 2 optionnal techs. Since India is several paces back, I'd go for statue of liberty first, explosives second. Fed Republic before high explosives if possible, for the worker speed - but that's just gravy.
Roster:
Mathias- Just played
Methos - UP or
Beorn-eL-Feared
DaveShack-
Disenfrancised - UP ?
Roster:
Mathias- Just played
Methos - UP or
Beorn-eL-Feared
DaveShack-
Disenfrancised - UP ?
AD (0): Looks good.
IT: Shipyard>US (pre-build).
1120 AD (2): Set slider at 2/7/1
IT: Refrigeration>Ship Building (4/5/1). Switch to Fishery. Fishery>National Monument.
1130 AD (3):
IT: Pollution strikes.
1140 AD (4):
Ship Building>Social Contracts (4/5/1).
1150 AD (5):
IT: India declares on Persia.
1160 AD (6):
IT: Social Contracts>Refining (1/8/1).
1170 AD (7): Switch to US (pre-build for Statue of Liberty). Revolt and earn 3 turns of anarchy. Seeing no way of keeping our city out of starving I decide to leave her in civil disorder. I do switch to some taxmen and one scientist.
IT: Tibet declares on the Aztecs.
1180 AD (8): Pollution strikes.
1190 AD (9):
IT: We become a Federal Republic
-Citizens have been reallocated though the city is still in disorder. Itll be productive again during the IBT.
-Universal Suffrage is a pre-build for the Statue of Liberty. Remember to switch to Statue of Liberty during the big picture when Refining is learned.
With pollution were at +0 food. Once the pollution is cleared put a citizen on that tile for growth.
Im wondering if we should keep Babylon at size 19. If we use the watered grass tile to get close to size 20 and than put that citizen back on a mined mountain we should ever have to worry about dropping in population due to pollution. Whenever we get pollution we can always just put the citizen back on the watered grass to get ourselves back up to almost size 20.
Here's the save.
IT: Shipyard>US (pre-build).
1120 AD (2): Set slider at 2/7/1
IT: Refrigeration>Ship Building (4/5/1). Switch to Fishery. Fishery>National Monument.
1130 AD (3):
IT: Pollution strikes.
1140 AD (4):
Ship Building>Social Contracts (4/5/1).
1150 AD (5):
IT: India declares on Persia.
1160 AD (6):
IT: Social Contracts>Refining (1/8/1).
1170 AD (7): Switch to US (pre-build for Statue of Liberty). Revolt and earn 3 turns of anarchy. Seeing no way of keeping our city out of starving I decide to leave her in civil disorder. I do switch to some taxmen and one scientist.
IT: Tibet declares on the Aztecs.
1180 AD (8): Pollution strikes.
1190 AD (9):
IT: We become a Federal Republic
-Citizens have been reallocated though the city is still in disorder. Itll be productive again during the IBT.
-Universal Suffrage is a pre-build for the Statue of Liberty. Remember to switch to Statue of Liberty during the big picture when Refining is learned.
With pollution were at +0 food. Once the pollution is cleared put a citizen on that tile for growth.
Im wondering if we should keep Babylon at size 19. If we use the watered grass tile to get close to size 20 and than put that citizen back on a mined mountain we should ever have to worry about dropping in population due to pollution. Whenever we get pollution we can always just put the citizen back on the watered grass to get ourselves back up to almost size 20.
Here's the save.
