Mayor problems for team Roadkill

[CreeDakota]

should we split espionage between england and persia now? Spies to drop defenses, one or two sacrifice catapults and the city is ours. Or is that a waste of espionage and we should use them for techs?

Interesting that England founded Judiasm...Good I was worried that perisa and england would be allies.

I agree with LKendter that Diplo is the key here. I hope we get Hindu spread to us...

 

[LKendter]

I agree 50% espionage each to England and Persia. Knowing where a GP is settled is really big for us. With having to settled spies we should be able to get knowledge quickly.

Our other challenge is how long to get our GP farm up, and when the capitol can be freed up for another wonder. War prep will really head GP generation.

 

[pholkhero]

i agree on the espionage, but i think persia is the better target in the long run. there's iron up that way, holy city cash, PLUS the holy city. if we find iron in england, i think that's the way to go though.

do we forget teh fourth city, and save the GE for the war?

 

[CreeDakota]

Im not sure we have enought hammers with just three cities for a war. Plus then the GE will sit along time. I would prefer settle city four and build up units and then declare once the next GP pops. With imp a city should be fast as well. I would also be running scientist more in the capital to hurry more GPeeps by those kind of micro decisions players should make in their own turns I think.

Also since we cant build a shrine ourselves it would behoove us to not capture our neighbors holy cities until they build one for us! Not that we cant capture thier other cites first....

 

[CreeDakota]

Was just poking around the save and noticed a few facts that we may want to keep in mind:

1) Darius still hasnt poped his Great prophet from stonehedge. he built it in 1975 BC; does anyone have the knowledge to calculate when it will come?

2)Sury just founded confucionism. So the religions are becoming well spread. We will be forced to pick sides. It also means we may be able to trade for CoL is we can get priesthood, which I
think Saladin may trade us in a couple turns.

3) Darius appears to have no metal or horses. his entire army appears to be 7 archers. He has settler ready to found his fourth city right now.

 

[LKendter]

Also since we cant build a shrine ourselves it would behoove us to not capture our neighbors holy cities until they build one for us! .

Good point!

 

[Killroyan]

Agree with that. I will play a turnset this weekend. I will focus on getting our fourth city started and building up an army that can defend!!!!

 

[Killroyan]

Ok, turnset up. Here is what has been happening. I redirected our espionage points towards persia and England. Maybe we can even get enough points to steal stuff

Tech path: Sailing -> Polytheism -> aesthetics -> Literature
Traded: Priesthood for meditation
Capital finished hamam -> settler -> Hanging gardens.

At 700 bc a great person was born somewhere.

Darius finished the oracle and took metal casting. We might want to redirect espionage points back to him to steal it from him. We have 760 EP on him right now. I choose to build an archer there to get some more points as we are dangerously low on military. Our second city is finishing barracks (whip 1 pop) and started on cats. Our third city builds archer and then a worker. This will be our main production center but we also need the roads up. Our fourth city goes worker -> monument -> granary.

In 320 bc a great priest was used for a shrine.

In 225 bc Darius gets his great prophet and build the shrine.

I end my turnset with the hanging gardens finished. I build a barrack in the capitol while waiting for literature to come in. I build 1 farm in the capitol so we can run an extra hill on production. The capitol can now start on TGL and the NE if we want to. Worker is already building mine. I selected music next so we get the next GP out soon. If we have 2 GP's we can take over persia if we want to. Workers are working on pastures, mines and roads to get everything connected. The map is pretty bad to be honest

The last shot is a shot of our tasty target:

But.....95 turns to get another GP is bad. It looks like we have to do this all by ourselves. We will need an incredible load of GP's.

This one is also a tasty target:

But the GP there will be used for a shrine also as it is an holy city. Maybe we should even think about conquering both these cities with our next 2 GP. Or even making this one our primary target since it is an incredible city that has horses.

Last but not least of course the save.

 

[LKendter]

With the number of wonders in Istanbul, and hopefully getting the Great Library soon, do we want to put the NE there? We would want to farm some to hire more specialists.

We've managed Edrine badly with 3 red faces. Can we switch to Hamman and whip it? That should cure the red face problem.

I see progress toward connect our cities with more roads. My gut says we need one or two more workers ASAP. Going to war without a road net between cities is really asking for trouble.

The monument in Bursa needs to be whipped now. We need to start building up culture defense if war is coming.


With our espionage knowledge I vote for Persia as the war target. I would be much happier grabbing a holy city with a shrine. We don't gain as much from hitting England. Plus Persia is isolated with religion, and England and the Dutch share a religion. I don't want a two AI war this early in the game.
The only bad news with Persia is 95 turns to his next GP. I would really like him to settle one in Persepolis before we head his way. Enough GP is our big challenge, and any ones supplied by the AI really help us.




Cree (up)
Lkendter (on deck)
Pholkhereo
Killroyan (just played)

 

[CreeDakota]

we need some more land. We have next GP in 4 or 5 turns. Then the music GA in around 22. Add the great general we will earn from capturing two cities and we can take 3 darius cities.

Darius has iron now and will be a tougher target. He has one axe and one sword now. First target Susa then capital then his iron and cut him in half. Either take tech peace or press the war if we have another GP coming and we are winning.

I would delay GL in capital. Need worker. No one has aesthetics yet, we can delay and still get it. We also need to get our war started ASAP I think.

Edirne needs to whip. It would be great to start getting some GPPoints in a second city though and it has nice food there, a library or a temple would be nice there too. But for my set Ill focus on cats out of there too.

Ankara build axes and spears.

Bakara....hum...if we build granary there this city will not help the war effort at all.

After Music I would go Currency.

 

[Killroyan]

Cree your up. I agree on one more worker. I already build 2 more in my turnset. I am roading the copper and getting the network up because we cannot build an army yet. Since we need all the GP's we need I would recommend to get the NE after the GL asap. I think it is the only way to get enough cities in the end and enough cities now to become strong enough in the long run.

We are right now well ahead in techs. I want to suggest to put all spy points on Darius so we can use revolts or steal metal casting at any point.

Currency after music sounds ok. Hamam in Edrine is also ok with me. This city can grow like mad and it will be our second most important soldier pump.

I guess everybody agrees now on Persia as the main target. England will propably be the second one. Lets get our GP's up, build the army and get some mayors to Darius land.

 

[yatta77]

@All: excuse me for this OT

@CreeDakota, Killroyan
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[CreeDakota]

I am torn between GP generating buildings and military. I think for my turnset I will focus 100% of hammers on military/workers. I just dont want the war to delay. I think it is ok if the war goes Slowly though, hopefully darius will suicide some units against a captured city and we can get alot of Ggeneral points.

I was thinking to build some spies in Bakara as means to get it involved in the war effort without having to get a barracks there or build crappy units.

 

[LKendter]

I don't think we are anywhere close to war.

As of the 215 BC save the best units we have are 1 archer and 1 catapult. Not to mention the copper isn't close to being hooked up to our 4 cities. With Persia having immortals up and running we need spears in all stacks.

I know there won't be war during my turn set. I simply don't see how we can have enough troops.
Plus I want all 4 cities on the road net before a war.

My vote is Great Library in Istanbul. We really want to have some GP on standby before starting the war IMO.

 

[CreeDakota]

hum ok so Kill and Lktender both endorse GL sooner rather than later in capital.

pholkhero careto weigh in before I play a set?

I think I will relent my position and go for a more hybrid approach.

Spears/Axes in Ankara.

Edrine whips in a Hamman, slow builds a catapult then whips in either a library or a temple once anger is gone. Run as many specialists as possible while continuing to build cats.

Istanbul goes worker first then Great Library. I will likley farm the last open grassland there.

Bakara finishs momument, then spy, then back to granary.

The issue I see is idle great people. The next Great person is due in 4-5 turns. If we dont war with Darius for another 30 turns that GP is idle a long time. IF we delay the war I would consider getting city 5 out sooner rather than later. With that approach I would likley go Worker, Settler, GL in instanbul. I would also swap Currency for Music as next tech. We are in a strong position to get Music anyway and getting the GreatArtist early does us no good if we dont have a city ready to either conquer or settle. I only want music next if we do everything we can to go to war soon.

 

[LKendter]

I like 100% military in Ankara.

As for a 5th city make a proposal where. I don't know of any more good land to claim.

 

[CreeDakota]

Ok how about between Darius and Wilhelm. Its a good commerece site and in a strange way has ok food through plains and lakes.

 

[CreeDakota]

the more I look at it a new city now is what I want to do. In five turns a Settler and GSpy enroute, settle in around 10 turns. I could shave two turns off that by using Edrines whip. Fastest way to gain land.

 

[LKendter]

That is an OK site.
For this map food light - the only reason it is appealing is eventually getting silver on line. It will be a pain to get road to the silver until Persia is ours.

Where would you get the settler from? I *don't* want to build it in the capitol.

 

[CreeDakota]

If we dont want it to come from Capital then Build in Edrine via whip. Would then likely stack whip anger in Edrine if needed. I think a 2-3 pop whip.

EDIT: I think the silver should easily fall in our influence once we crush Darius. And We HAVE to CRUSH HIM!!!