Meaning of numbers in relationship panel?

[Alonshow]

The relationship panel is a mystery to me. The first number displayed (in parenthesis) seems to always be one of three: 33, 50 or 66. Looks like there is a correlation between that number and the relationship status, the better the relationship, the higher the number, but its meaning still escapes me.

The other mysterious number is the "total" number. Again, looks like there is a correlation between this number and the status of the relationship, but it's also unclear and doesn't seem to be consistent. In my current game, for instance, Tamar is neutral with a +15, while Mvemba is friendly with a +10.

Anybody knows what these numbers mean and whether they're useful at all?

 

[Infixo]

The first number represents the relation, it is 0..100 with 50 meaning Neutral. Transitions between relation states are quantified, so the number is also quanitied, like you noticed.

The second number is just a sum of individual diplomatic modifiers. Basically it represents the more dynamic status of your relation. Diplo modifiers vary, and change over time. Eventually this number triggers changes of the main relationship status. E.g. if you have positive modifiers, then after some time you will become friendly, etc.

 

[Alonshow]

Thanks for clarifying. Such a weird thing. Putting that first big number there like it means something super important, when it's just a code for what you already know (your relationship status). Looks like a bug, but then again it's so big it can't have gone unnoticed for more than two years. And the second one is so confusing. If you hadn't told me I wouldn't have figured it out in one hundred games.

 

[Victoria]

If you hadn't told me I wouldn't have figured it out in one hundred games.

still things I cannot work out after a thousand games like how the spy escape % works. It took me about 2 weeks of solid testing to get the real spy %'s worked out. Wish Firaxis would clarify such things.

 

[Alonshow]

Do they refuse to answer questions about this kind of things?

 

[Victoria]

Yes.... mechanics are not mentioned. They do not even explain how combat is resolved and it had to be worked out... and was not simple.

 

[Alonshow]

Ugh, that seems mean. Knowing that people are working hard to improve your game and still refusing to help