Mic8 - The Gnomes of Zurich

[microbe]

I got it. We have even another city site - that swamp island. It will be useless for awhile, but it can still build culture and increase our percentage of the world.

It actually will be a first-ring city and bring significant income later. We just need to clean the marshes first.

Also, we need to build a strong military so we could aggressively settle and give AI culture pressure. One or two of our core cities should build military while others on culture buildings and rotate them.

We should also merge workers into our capital.

 

[LKendter]

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150 AD
Our biggest problem is lack of workers, so I swap Sumer to worker duty.

Our military is to light for me, but I don't want to build more until the iron is hooked up and we can build pikes and knights.


210 AD
Susa is formed.


230 AD
Pushing our luck is formed.


260 AD
I rechecked Microbes dot map and confirmed the location. Golden Lava is formed.
(IT) The forbidden palace is completed. Bad-tibira would be a great military pump with building pikes every other turn. However, for know it needs happy buildings.


270 AD
Our exploring worker by the Vikings is trapped, so I disband it.

The Vikings give us Invention, Chivalry and $143 for Education.
(IT) Rome and Korea sign a peace treaty.
India completes the Great Lighthouse.


290 AD
(IT) The Arabs complete the Great Wall.

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Summary:
I left the settler unmoved, as I really don't have a good idea how to use it.


Signed up:
Roster:
Microbe
LKendter
Meldor (currently playing)
Grahamiam (on deck)
Bede

 

[meldor]

I see it and it is in the queue

 

[microbe]

Things are going really well.

The settler could settle the island when we can spare a few workers to clean the marshes.

Our culture is good, so we need to start thinking about pushing for military.

Note, in the rule I allowed attacking AI capital once per AI, so we could take out Korea that way, but I now feel that might be too cheesy. Should we just play strict passive?

 

[meldor]

350 AD (0)
I swap Kish to a galley so that we can get the settler to the island sooner rather than later. I move the settler toward Kish. MM Ninda Ku to stop it from rioting.
(I) We get Astronomy and start on Music Theory. Sumer Worker->Worker, Kish Caravel->Pike, Marad Harbor->Temple

360 AD (1)
Found a city on the tip of nowhere (Anshan) and start it on a library. Load the settler on the new caravel with a EW. I then rush 3 libraries to get the border expansions faster. Swap Bad-tibria to Cop's.
(I) Umma Harbor->Temple, Susa Pushing and Golden Lava Library->Temple, Isin Market->Aqueduct.

370 AD (2)
Drop off the settler and escort. The cravel will come back for a worker before moving off to explore more of the darkness.
(I) Sumer Woreker->Worker, Agade Pike->Pike. The Arabs start Cop's as well.

380 AD (3)
Not much.
(I) Kish Pike->Harbor

390 AD (4)
Ragnar gets Ivory for 7gpt and 11g. India swaps Astrononmy for Printing Press and 11gpt.
(I)

400 AD (5)
Not much again.
(I) Agade Pike->Pike, Erech Market->Aqueduct, Der Temple->Aqueduct. The Germans start Sun's and the Romans start Leo's.

410 AD (6)
The pikes are going towards the front.
(I) We get Music Theory and start on Banking. Sumer Worker->Worker

420 AD (7)
I swap Kish to Bach's but things can be rearrainged as we like.
(I) Kuara Settler->Temple. The Indians and Arabs start Bach's as well. We might want to swap it so we get Bach's instead of Sistine's.

430 AD (8)
(I) Sumer Worker->Worker, Agade Pike->Pike

440 AD (9)
(I)Isin Aqueduct->Cathedral, Akkadian Temple->Market

850 AD (10)
Worker moves.

I left it to the group to discuss what we want to finish and where we want to finish it.

 

[microbe]

grahamiam - up
Bede - on deck

 

[grahamiam]

got it

 

[grahamiam]

i cannot get to this tonight but will do it tomorrow night, sorry.

I left it to the group to discuss what we want to finish and where we want to finish it.

but perhaps its a good thing i cannot play tonight as I have not seen any discussion what meldor would like to discuss. I believe he is refering to this:

420 AD (7)
I swap Kish to Bach's but things can be rearrainged as we like.
(I) <snip>The Indians and Arabs start Bach's as well. We might want to swap it so we get Bach's instead of Sistine's.

 

[microbe]

Sistines looks better as I assume we'll get cathedrals anyway so it's one more happy fact.

 

[Bede]

Either one will work for us. Sistine Chapel is better, though.

 

[meldor]

While Sistines doubles happiness from the Cathedrals, Bach's gives you instant happy in every city on the landmass. For a large landmass, I have always favored Bach's.

The other point to consider is that the Sistine builds have been going longer. If we complete Sistine, they may swap those shields to either BAch's or Cop's. Taking Bach's won't get a big swap because they won't have a ton of shields built up.

We can get two of the three and use the other as a prebuild for Smith's or Newton's (Smith's being better IMO). The order we get them in may determine who many we get and where the cascade shields go to.

 

[microbe]

The other point to consider is that the Sistine builds have been going longer. If we complete Sistine, they may swap those shields to either BAch's or Cop's. Taking Bach's won't get a big swap because they won't have a ton of shields built up.

I see it the other way around. Building a wonder with the same cost faster makes the cascade end faster - not everybody has the option to switch to Bach. If they do, it's no difference which one we build first.

But I see it might endanger copernicus..are we trying and able to get it too? I have not looked at the save so it's hard to say. But anyway, I don't consider it too important. Shoot for Smith's instead?

We can get two of the three and use the other as a prebuild for Smith's or Newton's (Smith's being better IMO). The order we get them in may determine who many we get and where the cascade shields go to.

Newton could start our GA, but we could declare on Korea and start it by our UU..I really hope we get it asap.

 

[meldor]

I see it the other way around. Building a wonder with the same cost faster makes the cascade end faster - not everybody has the option to switch to Bach. If they do, it's no difference which one we build first.

OK, lets look at it this way...
Wonder Shields SPT AI Shields AI SPT
Sistine 150 25 100 15
Bach's 20 20 15 15
Cop's 105 15 70 10

In this case, we finish Sistines first, they swap the 150 shields to Bachs and they finish Bachs first as they only have a few turns to go and we can't catch up and some AI's will swap to Bach's and some to Cop's meaning that we stand to lose both.

However, if we swap to Bach's and finish it first, the AI won't swap the Sistine shields to anothe wonder, they keep it on Sistines. We lose Sistines but have a better chance at completing Cop's as long as we can complete Cop's at or before they finsh Sistines.

On top of that, we dump more shields into Bach's, which finishes faster, the AI and we finsh Sistines and Cop's faster and there is less chance for the cascade to extend. You have eliminat4ed the middle wonder that they would have swapped to... If one completes Sistines they swap it all to Cop's if that finishes the shields go to Bach's, etc. By getting rid of the wonders for the higher techs first you get rid of a cascade step and at least some of the AI will miss it and lose the shields.

But I see it might endanger copernicus..are we trying and able to get it too? I have not looked at the save so it's hard to say. But anyway, I don't consider it too important. Shoot for Smith's instead?

Newton could start our GA, but we could declare on Korea and start it by our UU..I really hope we get it asap.

We can always hit Korea, why not try to grab as many wonders as we can...

 

[microbe]

If we have a chance to complete both Bach and Copernicus before AI completes Sistine, then I agree with you.

And we'd better get our GA going asap as we are building wonders.

 

[meldor]

Triggereing the GA while hitting Lorea and getting rid of them should allow us to get 2 of the three and probably Smith's and a good shot at Newton's. After thatit is all gravy.

 

[grahamiam]

Preflight check: Copernicus in 13T (Bad-T), Bachs in 37T (Kish), Sistine’s in 4T (Ur). Switch Kish to Palace, Ur to Bach’s (4T), Leave Bad-T with Copernicus.

MM Ur off 2 forests and onto 2 mined grass so it gets +2fpt. I’d like it up to size 10 so it can do 20spt (nice for a run at Newtons)
Indians and Arabs are building Bach’s in Madras and Medina, respectively. Cannot investigate either atm.
Move up AC’s and EW’s so we can pop the Koreans and grab the silks.
Rush a couple temples (Marad and Umma) so the towns can build ‘ducts as we could us a little more unit support.
We are a cultural monster WRT to Rome and Germany, so maybe we can have some wars with them and pursue aggressive settling.
Switch Agade to a knight from pike.
Switch Anshan from Lib to worker.

IBT: Sumer worker -> University (we have 32workers, time to start building more infrastructure in this town); Umma temple -> ‘duct; Marad temple -> ‘duct; Anshan worker -> Lib

T1: 460AD working the fields, walking EW’s up to Korea

IBT: Looks like Germany is about to get frisky; Lagash market -> court; Erech ‘duct -> harbor
Arabs complete Sun’s

T2: 470AD Even better, the considerate Germans are coming at us with archers. Perfect for our EW

IBT: Ur completes Bachs -> University; Agade knight -> knight
Koreans cascade to KT

T3: 480AD lost record

T4: 490AD Fortify 3 reg EW’s in Nagsu for the German “sneak” attack of 2 archers. Also put 1 vet EW in town.

IBT: German’s declare war on us. @ Nagsu: vet EW redlines but kills archer {b]GA begins[/b]
WLTKD’s break out in a lot of places
Ninda Ku temple -> Lib; Der ‘duct -> harbor; Kua temple -> ‘duct; move out of the rock and spruce up the palace.

T5: 500AD @ Nagsu: kill 2 spears and 2 archers with AC’s, no promotions.

IBT: Banking -> Econ (5T, -35gpt)

T6: 510AD India and Arabia already have banking. Sell it to the Vikings +100g for Guns. Salt is near the Roman town of Hispalis (in our NW corner)

IBT: Umma ‘duct -> market; Erech harbor -> Uni

T7: 520AD Declare on the Koreans; Kill a covering spear near Nagsu.

IBT: Sign RoP with Rome so we can get thru to a German archer in our rear; said German archer attacks our AC and dies; @ Nagsu: kill 1 attacking archer.
Ur Uni -> Bank; Agade Knight -> Knight; Marad ‘duct -> market; Kuara temple -> Lib

Vikings complete Sistine’s; Indians Cascade to Copernicus’ (1T ahead of us )

T8: 530AD Switch Kish to Leo’s and Bad-T to palace
@Erech: Kill German spear
@ Seoul: AC retreats from spear; AC kills spear and promotes (2/6) and we take the town Only 1 defender!
Koreans are destroyed.
@Nagsu: vet EW kills archer (1/4); AC kills archer and promotes (6/6)

The big 3 (Vikings, Indians, and Arabs) are up Chems and Nav.

Sell Guns to Ottos for dyes and 10g

IBT: Indians offer Nav for 790g, decline.
Sumer Uni -> bank; Lagash court -> Uni

T9: 540AD Rush a Lib in Seoul so we can build a barracks next (and minimize reg Crusaders)
Max out research (100%) so we can get Eco next turn.

IBT: Germans move archers towards Seoul
Economics -> Chems (4T @ 60%, +122gpt)
Seoul Lib -> barracks; Der harbor -> market

T10: 550AD Kill a couple archers near Seoul.
Smiths due in 6T in Bad-T; Kish is a prebuild for Newtons. I recommend waiting on trading Econ as we don’t want another cascade wonder loss.
Settler running out towards Seoul so we can pinch more German land. They have less than half our culture.
Forgot to switch Kish to palace.

German Front


Core

 

[microbe]

I think we can do some MA stuff. AI could raze cities for us or shrink their culture border.

We need to find saltpeter that we could settle on. The two saltpeter sources in Roman territory are all directly next to the city where we cannot settle. Hope we can flip Hispalis. Or we settle next to the saltpeter and rush culture to outpace that town.

Bede - up
microbe - on deck

 

[Bede]

Got it. Play tonight/tomorrow

 

[Bede]

550AD
If the Germans are half our culture the Romans are but a third so sign an alliance with Rome against our neighbor Germany after checking that no deals are at risk. We are shippng luxuries to the Vikings but they seem to be friendly with the Romans, so make the pact for 12gpt. Kua is at pop6 working three unimproved tiles so swap the acqueduct to a settler to put some more pressure on Hispalis with a town between Akkadian and Susa.

560AD
Delhi completes Leo's, Arabs start Magellan's, so I swap Territory Maps with Abu, and pick up 14g, do the same with India and pick up another 20g, and with Ragnar and pick up 25g. Then go back to Abu and swap World Maps, but we have to give him 6g. But Gandhi offers his World Map +23g for ours. And since we now have a full World Map Ragnar will give another 17g for ours and we don't need his.

Then I kill a couple of German archers and watch a single Roman Legion approach Seoul. The settler will hide out in Seoul for a bit.

Settler from Kua heads up the coast with an AC for escort.

In 580 found Babil on the NW coast and rush a library.

The Romans have assembled a nice Stack o' Doom at Seoul so I open the road to Heidelburg for them by killing a German archer.

The Arabs complete Magellan's in 580

In 600AD found Dabrum above Pisa, Heidleberg falls to the Romans and Smith's is complete in Bad-tibira.

In 620 I can buy Democracy from Ragnar for Economics, Ivory, Silks and our world map...Since Shakespeare's Theatre might be a handy building to have in Bad Tibira or even Ur with all those floodplains decide to take a run at Free Artistry and the Globe. We are trading out our single silk but there is another one at Seoul not connected yet and it is not like we have any contentment problems.

We can then get 119g+37gpt from Gandhi for Economics. And 27g+7gpt from Abu.

In 640 build Ashak in the face of Heidelberg and rush the library.



There is a settler in Nagsu looking for a home and another heading north to put some more pressure on Hispalis.

Newton's will be ours.

 

[LKendter]

Trying to find the save.