Minor Suggestions Thread

[AnotherPacifist]

I'm sure this has been posted before, but I would really like to see ancient civilization's get better cities from settlers as they research new technology and advance. You could easily follow the normal civilization advance start rules for different eras.

For example, after 600 AD everybody gets a granary, after 1400 a harbor and size 2 cities (so that the late comers like Portugal, Netherlands, Mali and Turkey still have an advantage until then), and after 1733 (America) everybody gets an aqueduct. Forges should probably be left out since that will negate America's advantage.

 

[kbk]

For example, after 600 AD everybody gets a granary, after 1400 a harbor and size 2 cities (so that the late comers like Portugal, Netherlands, Mali and Turkey still have an advantage until then), and after 1733 (America) everybody gets an aqueduct. Forges should probably be left out since that will negate America's advantage.

You could almost just as easily tie it to technology, or what era (Ancient, classical, etc). I kind of prefer this to just years, but either would be preferable.

 

[AlexanderGreat4]

No really, ADD CANADA!

 

[sgrig]

I think the Great Depression should be tweaked. As it is now, it's practically impossible to have Free Market without running the risk of collapse. Although I think it's a good idea to have such economic events, but here a few ideas that I had:

1. Reduce the stability impact of the Great Depression, and instead introduce some economic penalty, such as increasing city upkeep by 50% during the Great Depression, and maybe an extra unhappy face in each city. Actually same could apply to post-Communist crisis and transition to Democracy crisis.
2. After you once had a Great Depression, and are still in Free Market, and have built a Stock Exchange and founded a corporation, you can build a National Wonder Central Bank, which makes you immune to depressions (although that's debatable of course!).
3. Once you have the Central Bank (and are still in Free Market), you run the risk of a Recession. This only lasts a few turns, and while there is no stability hit, the Stock Exchange loses its effect for this duration. (perhaps also in one of your cities you lose a bank!)

 

[Lone Wolf]

it's practically impossible to have Free Market without running the risk of collapse.

What's annoying for me is other peoples' great depressions. I should be Stable/Shaky, yet I am Shaky/Unstable just because there is a Great Depression in Roman Empire, which occupied Germany and Eastern Europe (kudos to Blake's AI here). As soon as Romans are out of the Depression, Ethiopian Empire gets one (I am England, I have South Africa, Ethiopia controls Mozambique, Ethiopian depression influences my stability). Ethiopia collapses as a result, but then, Portugal gets one, then it is the Romans again... Thus, I am receiving a permanent stability malus through no fault of my own - other peoples' great depressions negatively influence your stability regardless of your econoic civic.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Thus, I am receiving a permanent stability malus through no fault of my own - other peoples' great depressions negatively influence your stability regardless of your econoic civic.

Well, there's always the use of bribing another civ to adopt your particular economic civic (like Communism). You can always close borders with the civ that has the Great Depression. Or build the UN and adopt environmentalism, which almost always passes.

Or just nuke another country out of existence--then their instability won't bother you.

 

[Metal Alloy Man]

Or just nuke another country out of existence--then their instability won't bother you.

I thought you were a Pacifist!

 

[Lone Wolf]

You can always close borders with the civ that has the Great Depression.

Does that stop the penalty?

just nuke another country out of existence

When everyone has just discovered Assembly Line?

 

[AnotherPacifist]

When everyone has just discovered Assembly Line?

Assembly line is powerless against the might of tanks/destroyers/bombers, which cannot be built without oil or uranium. For example, Japan is easily forced into submission after 5 nukes and a force of 10 tanks on Honshu. Just make sure you have almost all the oil and uranium in the world and you'll be fine.

What I usually do is close borders with the particular civ that's going to develop the Great Depression, and then invade later when I have the techs to build the above units.

 

[xmen510]

I am sure it has been mentioned, but including the Native Americans would be nice. Also how about updating the Atlas to show what areas you can settles without it affecting your stability? This way you can gauge how to expand your empire without collapsing because you have a couple of cities outside of your natual areas.

 

[felix86]

The barbarian Dog Soldiers in North America are the natives.

 

[zbelg]

I don't know if someone's brought this up, but the pointless trade AI restrictions in BTS's mechanics causes problems with the Dutch, Carthagian, and American UHVs.

It's supposed to be open ended in that you can either secure resources by founding colonies, conquering, or trade, but the AI tells you "Surely, you must be joking.." if you try to trade for a resource you already have. This is really annoying and limits your options for no apparent reason that I can tell. Is there any way to disable this?

 

[Lone Wolf]

Assembly line is powerless against the might of tanks/destroyers/bombers,

The thing is, I am on the same tech level as other civs - I've recently discovered Assembly Line too. And are you sure that cancelling OB with the "depressed" civ eliminates the stability penalty?

 

[sgrig]

In any case, the stability hit from depressions - either your own or your neighbours' should be toned down. So far there has only been one great depression, and no country has collapsed because of it. Although you could argue that because of the effects of the Great Depression in US, Germany had to switch to Police State to improve their stability!

 

[AnotherPacifist]

The thing is, I am on the same tech level as other civs - I've recently discovered Assembly Line too. And are you sure that cancelling OB with the "depressed" civ eliminates the stability penalty?

Yes, I'm pretty sure, as long as you don't have trade routes with the civ that has the Great Depression you won't be affected. (Of course that means knowing ahead of time which civ, i.e. you have to reload the turn before.)

 

[Lone Wolf]

(Of course that means knowing ahead of time which civ, i.e. you have to reload the turn before.)

Well, that feels like an exploit and is very time-consuming anyway.

 

[xmen510]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9422

Geo Modders ethnic citystyles is a great little mod by th elooks of it. It would add just that much more if you might incorporate this into your next update. Check it out.

 

[bazooka82]

What's annoying for me is other peoples' great depressions. I should be Stable/Shaky, yet I am Shaky/Unstable just because there is a Great Depression in Roman Empire, which occupied Germany and Eastern Europe (kudos to Blake's AI here). As soon as Romans are out of the Depression, Ethiopian Empire gets one (I am England, I have South Africa, Ethiopia controls Mozambique, Ethiopian depression influences my stability). Ethiopia collapses as a result, but then, Portugal gets one, then it is the Romans again... Thus, I am receiving a permanent stability malus through no fault of my own - other peoples' great depressions negatively influence your stability regardless of your econoic civic.

This is true. Take for example Weimar Germany. Their economy was recovering from the first world war due to increasing American investment in the country. When the stock market crashed, Germany was hardest hit. It became so unstable, we had this crazy man called Adolf Hitler come to power.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Russia did well in the Great Depression by the official account, so maybe that should translate in RFC terms for communistic countries not to be affected by Great Depressions of other civs. So I think communism should protect against GD in future patches.
On a related note, I think Mercantilism should be penalized after the discovery of corporation, since it's not realistic to have no trade with other countries. I can even say after economics is discovered the penalty can be applied, but that might be too soon for the mercantiles to switch. You can always aim for SC/communism if you don't want free trade and the risk of a great depression.

 

[Lone Wolf]

This is true. Take for example Weimar Germany. Their economy was recovering from the first world war due to increasing American investment in the country. When the stock market crashed, Germany was hardest hit. It became so unstable, we had this crazy man called Adolf Hitler come to power.

Exactly. But Germany was hit because of American great depression, not because when America climbed out of it, Ethiopia got one, then, why Ethiopia climbed out of it,France got one, etc.