1. We have added a Gift Upgrades feature that allows you to gift an account upgrade to another member, just in time for the holiday season. You can see the gift option when going to the Account Upgrades screen, or on any user profile screen.
    Dismiss Notice

Missing Civs Poll

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by The Kingmaker, Jan 28, 2018.

?

Which of these civs do you want to return? (Choose 10)

  1. Assyria

    78 vote(s)
    31.1%
  2. Austria

    59 vote(s)
    23.5%
  3. Babylon

    154 vote(s)
    61.4%
  4. Byzantium

    162 vote(s)
    64.5%
  5. Carthage

    142 vote(s)
    56.6%
  6. Celts (or Gaul)

    60 vote(s)
    23.9%
  7. Denmark

    24 vote(s)
    9.6%
  8. Ethiopia

    141 vote(s)
    56.2%
  9. Hatti

    23 vote(s)
    9.2%
  10. Huns

    20 vote(s)
    8.0%
  11. Inca

    213 vote(s)
    84.9%
  12. Iroquois

    72 vote(s)
    28.7%
  13. Mali

    152 vote(s)
    60.6%
  14. Maya

    175 vote(s)
    69.7%
  15. Morocco

    64 vote(s)
    25.5%
  16. Ottoman Turks

    193 vote(s)
    76.9%
  17. Polynesia (or Hawaii or Maori)

    103 vote(s)
    41.0%
  18. Portugal

    147 vote(s)
    58.6%
  19. Shoshone

    19 vote(s)
    7.6%
  20. Siam

    45 vote(s)
    17.9%
  21. Sioux

    58 vote(s)
    23.1%
  22. Songhai

    18 vote(s)
    7.2%
  23. Sweden

    71 vote(s)
    28.3%
  24. Venice (or Italy)

    85 vote(s)
    33.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Alexander's Hetaroi

    Alexander's Hetaroi Warlord

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2017
    Messages:
    1,597
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Texas
    Well they did give Scythia Gelonius as a city, which he named it as their capital, which was mythological but that's another story.
    P.S. Due to the discussion on this thread I have seen the Hittites pass the Huns. Also people want Mali back over Songhai. :dance:
     
  2. pgm123

    pgm123 Chieftain

    Joined:
    May 21, 2017
    Messages:
    615
    Gender:
    Male
    I don't know if I'd call that mythical. It's named after a mythical character or at least there's a connection between the city and the mythical character. But that was pretty normal.

    My issue with that city is that it had nothing to do with Tomyris and even Herodotus claims they were originally Greek. It was more like a creole or a frontier settlement.
     
  3. Dracleath

    Dracleath Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2002
    Messages:
    231
    There are a lot of good potential returning civs and leaders that are still not in. Going down the list:

    Assyria is really underrated I feel, just a dominant military for it's time and very influential. I felt like getting in 5 was very overdue and would love to see them back.
    Austria - Europe is pretty well covered right now, and honestly Germany overlaps a lot with them if we are doing an HRE focused Germany as in the game. I would rate them as low priority.
    Babylon - Hugely influential, a lot of geographic overlap with Sumeria, but still they are pretty huge just to be a city state. Give em Hammurabi and get them in.
    Byzantium - Interesting, but covers a lot of Greek and Roman territory both geographically and culturally which are already well represented. Wouldn't rate them as top priority, wouldn't be too upset with them coming back either.
    Carthage - These guys are mostly famous for being enemies of Rome, and I wasn't too impressed with them in Civ 4 and 5. Wouldn't be too sad to see them go, but I know there are a lot of Carthage fans out there and it fills up a spot on the map
    Celts - We have already had a Scotland carve out and I don't like survey/blob civs. Gauls would be fine by themselves, again they are mostly famous for being enemies of Rome though.
    Denmark - Already have a Viking civ, and if we are doing a modern Scandinavian civ Sweden would be a better choice.
    Ethiopia - Always a good an interesting choice. Very notable, a bit close to Nubia though.
    Hatti/Hittites - Not a bad choice, but I would go with Assyrians first for a bronze age militaristic civ, Hittites were a bit of a flash in the pan.
    Huns - Meh. Scythians and Mongols already cover both major branches of Steppe Nomads (Iranic and Altaic). Not much to add here. Would honestly rather see Goths or Franks for a fall of rome/dark ages era civ.
    Inca - Great choice for a variety of reasons, good location, unique, high priority
    Iroquois - We already have a NA civ, but I like the Iroquois and feel like if there's going to be another they are a good choice.
    Mali - Great choice, very important, very unique and characterful, hits 2 underrepresented categories right now- subsaharan african and islamic.
    Maya - Always a good option for another Mesoamerican civ.
    Morrocco - I would like some North African berber/islamic civ to be represented. Morroco probably is as good as any of the candidates, but a different direction wouldn't be bad either.
    Ottoman Turks - A massive power for a long time, very influential, another as yet underrepresented islamic civ, no reason for these guys not to be in.
    Polynesia - I don't like blob/survey civs. Maori or Hawaii wouldn't be bad, though Hawaii would be a terrible start on a TSL map. I would go with Maori here if there's a Polynesian civ at all. Indonesia and Norway hit their Civ 5 niche hard, though.
    Portugul - No problems here, influential over large areas of the world, and we can always use more trader civs
    Shoshone - Cree take over a lot of their niche in CiV, would need a rework.
    Siam - Not a bad choice, but a lot of overlap with the Khmer. Would probably rather see a Vietnam civ if they are going back to SEA
    Souix - Could be interesting, no problem with Souix as a plains native american civ.
    Songhai - Overlaps too much with Mali who I feel is a better choice
    Sweden - Interesting choice, but in a crowded field and already well represented area, I probably wouldn't make them a priority.
    Venice - Would rather see a united Renaissance italy with a couple of different leaders to represent city states, like Greece is now.
     
  4. Manifold

    Manifold ModderProtectionAdvocate

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2007
    Messages:
    1,580
    The leaders at the moment are for
    America: 1. Inca, 2. Maya
    Asia: 1. Ottoman Turk, 2. Babylon
    Africa: 1. Mali, 2. Carthage

    Europe: 1. Byzantium, 2. Portugal

    I could live with this selection:)
     
    Zaarin likes this.
  5. Patine

    Patine Chieftain

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Messages:
    2,117
    I definitely want to see at least the Inca, but with an important caviat - the leader being Manco Capac or Pachacuti, NOT Atawalpa, whom most people I see (including Firaxis) tend to settle on by default, but I think would be a horrible choice for them.
     
  6. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    4,278
    Location:
    Terok Nor
    Has Atahualpa ever led the Inca in Civ? I think he'd be an entertaining Civ6 leader, prancing about with his brother's gilt skull. :mischief: But on a more serious note, I hope we get Huayna Capac, rather than the return of Pachacuti. Gilgamesh brings us to quota on "first historical king still shrouded in legends after a list of purely mythical kings." (And in case I'm being unclear in the midst of my sarcasm, yes, I'm aware Pachacuti was a real Sapa Inca, but he's still the first historical Sapa Inca after a list of mythical kings with a host of legends attached to him. I'd much rather have the better attested [and still awesome] Huayna Capac.) I wouldn't complain about Atahualpa, though; madness can be entertaining in moderation. ;) Whomever they choose, though, I still insist they be as dripping in gold as Monty is quetzal feathers.
     
    TahamiTsunami and AnonymousSpeed like this.
  7. Patine

    Patine Chieftain

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Messages:
    2,117
    But Pachacuti was the one attributed to the ordering of the building of the Machu Picchu temple complex.
     
  8. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    4,278
    Location:
    Terok Nor
    Pachacuti was a fine choice for Civ5, whose theme seemed to be "greatest or most loved leader," but in Civ6, Huayna Capac or Atahualpa would be bigger personalities. Of the two, I'd prefer Huayna Capac, who has both a successful reign and not being a psychopath to recommend him, but as I said, "insane" can certainly qualify as a "big personality"...
     
  9. Patine

    Patine Chieftain

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Messages:
    2,117
    This, of course, especially as applied to historical leaders, could easily apply to two VERY famous leaders, one born in Georgia and one born in Austria, whom Firaxis avoid like the plague and certain mods on these forums make red text warnings and shut down threads if their actual names are said too often in any context... :p
     
  10. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    4,278
    Location:
    Terok Nor
    I don't think either of them were insane. Just evil.
     
    TahamiTsunami likes this.
  11. Alexander's Hetaroi

    Alexander's Hetaroi Warlord

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2017
    Messages:
    1,597
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Texas
    I don't think Maria Theresa or Tamar were ever insane. :p
    Speaking of that now that we have Georgia, we should get Austria as well with the leader mentioned above.
     
    TahamiTsunami and Zaarin like this.
  12. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    4,278
    Location:
    Terok Nor
    You have my vote. :D
     
  13. IBUSALr

    IBUSALr Chieftain

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2018
    Messages:
    3
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2018
    TahamiTsunami likes this.
  14. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    4,278
    Location:
    Terok Nor
    There's a very good reason we don't have tundra-based civs: civilization never flourished in the tundra. Even Russia had all of its major cities well south of the tundra; their tundra bonuses are really not representative at all from a historical perspective and are just a gameplay thing.
     
    God of Kings and TahamiTsunami like this.
  15. TahamiTsunami

    TahamiTsunami Chieftain

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2017
    Messages:
    223
    Gender:
    Male
    Not that a good ol' Russian winter couldn't have done its best to have people think otherwise! Unfortunately, as unique and fun as a Sami or Inuit civ could be, I have to agree that seeing them officially in the game would probably be unlikely at best (even with just a handful of Sami cities and if you base an Inuit civ around Greenland or northern Canada). The closest we could get with another northern civ with at least the possibility of tundra bonuses would be a Scandinavian country like Sweden or Denmark, a PNW tribe like the Tlingit or Haida, Canada, or a Siberian civ lead by Tygyn Darkhan.
     
    Zaarin likes this.
  16. Patine

    Patine Chieftain

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Messages:
    2,117
    A single Siberian civ? You realize, of course, you might as well be talking about a single "Amerindian," "Oceanian," "African," or "Southeast-Asian," civ for the variation and diversity of culture, language, custom, religion, etc. with such a notion, right?
     
    Zaarin and TahamiTsunami like this.
  17. TahamiTsunami

    TahamiTsunami Chieftain

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2017
    Messages:
    223
    Gender:
    Male
    Looking back on my post, I do realize that it could imply that even though it wasn't my intention to mislead anyone like that. As far as I know, Tygyn Darkhan's civ could be called 'Yakutia' or 'Sahka' but I didn't feel like adding more names to my post since it was already long enough as it was. Ironically enough, if by some miracle Yakutia/Sahka does officially get in the game, it probably would be the single Siberian civ to be officially added!
     
  18. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    4,278
    Location:
    Terok Nor
    Again, though, the PNW is waaay south of the tundra and actually has a rather mild climate (to use Port Angeles, WA as an example, it's temperature range is only about 47-67 F), and the men of the PNW went naked most of the year and barefoot all year. Once you get to the tundra you basically have Eskimo-Aleut peoples and maybe a few Athabaskans.
     
    TahamiTsunami likes this.
  19. Allinuse

    Allinuse Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2018
    Messages:
    37
    Gender:
    Male
    "Hatti"? They were absorbed by the Hittites whom I would have voted for if that was an option.
     

Share This Page