Mistfit’s Quick Domination Attempts

[BlackBetsy]

I am struggling with "go long" settlement tactic on the bigger maps. The distances are so far you can spend more than 20 turns getting there. There is so much space and the other civs are able to expand more before you can get there. You need strong attackers (archer/sword/horse) out front to clear or capture territory but that only slows setter production.

I just played and submitted a Huge Monarch Domination win with what I consider to be a good finishing date.

It strikes me that the bigger the maps are, the more you will need to win through conquest. In my win, I had 2 4-turn settler factories up and running by 2000 bc, but had simply run out of settling room early. I would say I needed to conquer 20% of the land to get up to the 66% dom limit, which is taking a bunch of towns. It lasted long enough that I needed to research Chivalry to create the fast moving knights necessary to finish the job.

RoP abuse is key. I was actually able to get a second RoP after abusing the first opponent (they must not have had contact) and repeated the task. Wipe out a civ in 2 turns and you won't worry about the cities flipping.

 

[Mistfit]

What was the Date?

 

[Mistfit]

Map Finder found a few maps to my spec's (about 130 of 'em ) I let the thing run for 36 hours. So I should hopefully find a map that I can live with and get a SGL. Map Finder actually found a Standard map with 674 Dom Limit! Unfoutunately it had a very poor starting location.

 

[Mistfit]

I hate to Jinx myself but I have started a game that may very well compete with Denniz' 590BC win. I had 2 cows to start with and got a 4/6 4 turn settler factory set up very quickly and then I popped an early settler to get a second one going (it's not quite perfect yet) I researched WC - Masonry - CB - Myst - and at 1550 got an SGL on Poly to rush the ToA. The map is not perfect but I am fairly centrally located and I saved it at the point where it is now to do some serious planning on how to beat his date. I plan on plotting the best possible city locations out on Paint to not waste tiles on overlap. With the ToA in the bag I may not even have to wipe out all of the civs as I can steal tiles from them easily with the Culture Expansions. I'm not yet sure if I want to switch governments as it will keep me from pumping out at least 2-4 settlers depending on the length of Anarchy. Lots to think of. I will give credit for the SGL to my wife as she actually came downstairs to talk to me while I was playing last night. Normally I would be annoyed that she was distracting me but she is my new lucky charm

 

[zerksees]

Normally I would be annoyed that she was distracting me

It is amazing how quickly I can get annoyed when I am interrupted in the middle of a civ game. My wife does it too. But she never tells me I can't play

 

[Mistfit]

My wife normally leaves me alone when playing as our computer is set-up in the basement. But last night she came down to ask some questions and tell me she was going to bed and that is when the SGL came. So I might invite her down at important parts of the game to test out how good of a lucky charm she is. My wife also never asks me not to play either so I guess we are lucky. She will occasionally drop hints of what I could be doing instead of playing but never comes right out and tells me not to play.

More updates on the current game this weekend when I get more time to plan and play.

 

[Mistfit]

Well here it is Boys and Girlz.. My submission for Standard Domination

Me: Sumeria
Opponents: Korea, England, Byzantines, Dutch
World size: Standard
Climate: down the middle on all
Age: 5 Bil

Results:
Score: 2885
Date: 650BC
Condition: Domination Victory
Civilization: Sumeria
Version: C3C 1.22
Submitted: 2005-04-23 21:43:51

Starting Position:

Ok found a map with 2 cows and a 729 Dom that seems to be centrally located on the map.

Got a settler off of the 1st goodie hut found (3000BC) so that's a good sign.

Now if I can just break the streak of bad SGL luck I might have a chance at Denniz' 590BC standard win.

Research went Something like Warrior Code - Ceremonial Burrial - Masonry - Myst - Poly.

At 1525BC I got the SGL !!! Next Turn the ToA was rushed

1500 BC I had
10 Cities in place
5 settlers in route
2 workers
1 slave (bought)
3 Enkidu Warriors

At this point I was still in Despotism so I decided the quickest way to get to Monarchy was to buy the Alphabet and research Writing and Philo

1175BC I learned Monarchy and pulled a 5 turn Anarchy

1050BC I became a Monarchy...King Mistfit has a nice ring to it

I had 3 quick wars taking 2 cities from the English (bannished from the Game)
1 city from the BYZ in peace
1 city from the Koreans (Forcefully)

The best unit I built in this game was an archer.

The most cities built by an opponent was 3 (including the Capital) Or it might have been 4.

I won in 650BC

Time to fire up Map finder to get me a Large map

Awaiting acceptance:
Note to Slug and Dianthus:
This was played over 2 settings (or possibly three) over the last 10 days, but I did have 1 crash due to a power outage(I have to get one of those battery backup thingies) We have had really bad snow storms today. If is unacceptable I fully understand.

EDIT: 2 down 3 to go for the Pent award

 

[superslug]

(I have to get one of those battery backup thingies)

UPS. I love mine!

CRpSuite's feature of archiving all your autosav's is a very handy tool as well (and free).

 

[Mistfit]

CRpSuite's feature of archiving all your autosav's is a very handy tool as well (and free).

It does that? That Dianthus is quite the Programmer (sucking up to the other Boss ) Hmm... I'll have to look into it. Luckily I save the game almost every turn so I was able to continue playing from the end of the previous turn.

 

[EMan]

.....I have to get one of those battery backup thingies...

I have one............it's called a Notebook computer!

 

[Mistfit]

How often during a game do you transfer information from your Desktop to your Laptop? Or are you saying that you play on your Laptop all of the time?

Edit: I like the QM award. That I believe was my favorite as I was making them.

 

[Mistfit]

Ok like I said it's time to move on to large and then huge.

I currently use:
England, Korea, Bysantine, and the Dutch

For Large I need 2 more opponents and for Huge I need 4 more...right?

Any suggestions?

I will prolly stick with Sumeria for my Civ.

Other than that I think they should play close to the standard game.

Once the next update is out you can see how I settled the map because I named the town numerically by when they were founded.

 

[Denniz]

Date: 650BC

650BC, Rats!

Do you know how many attempts it took to get a 590BC date? That's twice now!

Good game. (Lucky bast... )

I've got six+ days to get a Histograph VC. If I get it done before the end of the month, I may just have to go back and take a stab at another last second submission. You've been warned. Not that I am going to tell which one.

 

[Mistfit]

I've got six+ days to get a Histograph VC.

There's a game I doubt you'll ever have to worry about me competitng in. Way to much time involved in that.

You've been warned.

If you can beat either you can have 'em. I don't think I'll go back to either one. Remember...You stole my #1 First

I saw that you were on the HoF forum so I decided to check to see if you were reading my update when I found this:

Hmm... Viewing Smilies. Sounds like a pleasant way of spending an Sunday afternoon.

 

[Denniz]

Hmm... Viewing Smilies. Sounds like a pleasant way of spending an Sunday afternoon.

It is always nice to see a smiling face. Although, I think a couple of them were laughing at me.

 

[Mistfit]

Last night I decided to get my name on the Tiny Domination list and came up with this. Right now it puts me in 8th place right between Denniz's 2 submissions. I will prolly revisit this one at a later date.

Edit: this will get me 3/5ths the way to the Pentathon award.

 

[Denniz]

Last night I decided to get my name on the Tiny Domination list and came up with this. Right now it puts me in 8th place right between Denniz's 2 submissions. I will prolly revisit this one at a later date.

Good date. You are getting a lot of good dates with a minimum number of attempts. I think I am play twice as many attempts for my results. Maybe I ought to refine my MapFinder rules and let it run longer each time.

 

[BlackBetsy]

I won in 650BC

Time to fire up Map finder to get me a Large map

All I have to say is WOW. I couldn't believe the 1500 bc date on Tiny... 650 bc on Standard (more than twice the size) is amazing. Was the second city a 4 turn settler factory too?

 

[Mistfit]

All I have to say is WOW. I couldn't believe the 1500 bc date on Tiny... 650 bc on Standard (more than twice the size) is amazing. Was the second city a 4 turn settler factory too?

Not exactly. It was when I was diligent enough to MM it every turn. I still am lacking a bit at non traditional settler factories. I'm not to the point where I plot out what needs to be done on an Exel worksheet or anything. I probably should but for me it takes a bit away from the game. I am getting better though. I do believe that the 650 date is beatable. Maybe not easily but if someone like Denniz or Roland really puts his mind to it the date could probably be closer to 750BC or even 1000BC.

You are getting a lot of good dates with a minimum number of attempts

Keep in mind that I do not post about games I do not get good dates on.

 

[Mistfit]

Stats:
Me: Sumeria
Opponents: Korea, England, Byzantines, Dutch, Germany (never met), Vikings (never met)
World size: Large
Climate: down the middle on all
Age: 5 Bil

Results:
Score: 2458
Date: 90BC
Condition: Domination Victory
Civilization: Sumeria
Version: C3C 1.22
Submitted: 2005-05-01 14:23:56

This is not a great date. I never received a SGL. If I had I'd imagine I could get 250BC or so. I think the domination limit for this map was 1196 (which is quite low for a large map) I did pick up the early hut settler though.

Research I went straight up the line to Poly and then traded for Alpha and writing and hit Philo for Monarchy.

During my GA City 1 and 2 were doing 4 turn Horseman and Settlers (City 2 might have been 5 turn )

I saw the Viking Borders but never saw a unit. And I never saw the Germans at all. I took out the English, Koreans and the Dutch.

I ended with 78 or 79 cities (including the captured ones )

I'm not really satisfied with this one so I think I'll play a game or three more on this setting. (I think Denniz would whoop up on me if I left this date hanging out there )

Note to Denniz (this was the 4th map I've played on this setting, none of the rest panned out map wise so they were tossed.)