Mistfit
Deity
In this game I'm known as:
And I believe I only got 3 Palace expansions. This was it at the end:
And I believe I only got 3 Palace expansions. This was it at the end:
Mistfits Quick Domination Attempts
- Thread starter Mistfit
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I don't think you have to worry about me. 775BC is a good date. 
The best I have done is 730 BC after 20+ attempts with Persia. (I know what you mean about playing the same game over and over. 
) I don't know how many more attempts it would takebut it may be possible to get a pre-1000bc date but difficult. And probably not by much.
I had one game where I got a SGL before I built my first settler. The continent was U shaped with me at one of the tips. The rush to Ploy and then MM just couldn't come fast enough. The start position wasn't rich enough for multiple factories. Immortals come just to late to get a early GA.
I was thinking I am going to have try a different approach plus I need to change something (diff, size, or VC) to keep working towards a QC.
The best I have done is 730 BC after 20+ attempts with Persia. (I know what you mean about playing the same game over and over. ) I don't know how many more attempts it would takebut it may be possible to get a pre-1000bc date but difficult. And probably not by much.I had one game where I got a SGL before I built my first settler. The continent was U shaped with me at one of the tips. The rush to Ploy and then MM just couldn't come fast enough. The start position wasn't rich enough for multiple factories. Immortals come just to late to get a early GA.
I was thinking I am going to have try a different approach plus I need to change something (diff, size, or VC) to keep working towards a QC.
DJMGator13
Still breathing
Well done Mistfit.
Mistfit
Deity
Denniz and Gator! Map Finder is looking for small domination maps for warlord now. Hopefully up through monarch I can use the same techniques. BTW Mapfinder is accepting about 2.5% of viewed maps. I'm looking for 2 cows or more on middle of the line 5 bil year maps. @ Gator ~ leif may have somthing in his idea that I play better when I've been drinking. This attempt was done after I had been at the bar watching the Pistons win and the Tigers loose (big suprise there).
Mistfit
Deity
I have switched up my program and I'm going to be looking for a good map to do a Chieftan Standard Map. I have the program running now with the same map perameters as the Small but if I don't find anything interesting I might try out the Dry setting.
I was going to do a tiny attempt but that almost seems as if it's been max'ed out for date so I will prolly leave that one for last. I'll do Std now and then Huge on Chief before I complete the Tiny and then I will move on to Warlord. At least that's the plan for now.
I added in the Dutch for Ag/Seafaring into the mix to get to 4 opponents (Byz-Eng-Korean) I'm still the Sumerians
I was going to do a tiny attempt but that almost seems as if it's been max'ed out for date so I will prolly leave that one for last. I'll do Std now and then Huge on Chief before I complete the Tiny and then I will move on to Warlord. At least that's the plan for now.
I added in the Dutch for Ag/Seafaring into the mix to get to 4 opponents (Byz-Eng-Korean) I'm still the Sumerians
I've submitted standard and large map 20Ks. I am hoping to get a huge one before the next dealine. Not great dates but the tables aren't full either.
When get back to Domination, I may try filling the map with ag civs and try to conquer my way to domination. That may be the way to go with larger maps.
I am also thinking of doing the other VCs. The only tough one will be Conquest as the small and tiny maps on chieftan are all very good dates.
When get back to Domination, I may try filling the map with ag civs and try to conquer my way to domination. That may be the way to go with larger maps.
I am also thinking of doing the other VCs. The only tough one will be Conquest as the small and tiny maps on chieftan are all very good dates.
MOTH
Emperor
I've got my huge map 20K up to about 1000AD. Not great dates either. I'm dismantling my second AI. In the last 10 turns I've finally gotten my 2nd-6th promotions to Elite and my first 2 Great Leaders. The first built an Army and I'm building Heroic Epic now. The 2nd is making his way back to Ur and will rush a wonder when arriving. Meanwhile I've got peace and consolidation.
Mistfit
Deity
Domination competition said:
I palyed one map on std for a bit and I think that the AI will struggle to have 3-4 cities by the time I have the terrain filled with Sumerian Blue. The first map I rolled to play a test game on was pretty good and I might go back to it if I can't roll something better.
I actually had 2 - 4 turn settler factories and one that would punch them out every 6. I was on a big land mass with 3 of the opponents on it with one most likely on a small island somewhere. I did not get an early popped settler or a SGL yet so I benched the game for the time being. I worry that the main island is not big enough to hit the domination limit. I estimate that I could win that one before the AD's but I played pretty sloppy so as to a winning date for Standard I don't know yet.
MOTH said:
Mine is around 1200AD. I have 2-3 tech to go till Modern Era. I am almost out of things to build (4 turn left on the last wonder available.). I haven't warmongered at all. Past experiences there have been unfruitful. That might a way to fill the build gap.
Mistfit
Deity
Don't worry, if I get one, I will be sure to post it at least half an hour before the deadline. I wouldn't want to cut it too close.Mistfit said:I guess I can't help myself... I can't seem to quit throwing down the gauntlet.
Just promise me that you will not submit a small game to take my sopt for the comming update 15 min before the update is released. My whole idea of doing the HoF (yes Dianthus it's a small "o") was to be able to say that I had a # 1 spot in the HoF even if it was for one submission period.
I just finished my huge 20K map. I got a decent date. What I didn't notice, until just now, is the only Chieftan 20K Huge entry was superslug's. I hope he doesn't have a problem with last minute entries bumping him out of #1.
Of course, I could be counting my chickens before they're hatched.
I have you now, Mistfit. [ 
laugh] I have 3 Standard maps with dom limits of 703, 715, and 715. Each with 3 cows, rivers, forests, etc. and all towards the center of the mini-map. And those are only the best ones. [ laugh]
Wow, I must be having delusions of adequacy, again.
I do have a 370BC finish using one of my leftover 20K maps. Probably not worth submitting, but I am not sure what a good Standard map domination date would be. 
laugh] I have 3 Standard maps with dom limits of 703, 715, and 715. Each with 3 cows, rivers, forests, etc. and all towards the center of the mini-map. And those are only the best ones. [ laugh] Wow, I must be having delusions of adequacy, again.
I do have a 370BC finish using one of my leftover 20K maps. Probably not worth submitting, but I am not sure what a good Standard map domination date would be.
Mistfit
Deity
My guess is that with the increased amount of bonus food available on a standard map that we should be able to complete the thing in arounds the 750BC area. The same as a small map. But that is wild conjecture.... I need to figure out Moonsingers new Map Finder and get that baby a runnin' I guess. Keep me updated on your games. As always I will do the same.
I play one of those 3 new std maps to completion and started and abandoned a second. The complete one was another at 370BC. So I have two of those, on3 with Babs and one with Persia. Both required a SGL rushed ToA. Both off-center starts.
I am struggling with "go long" settlement tactic on the bigger maps. The distances are so far you can spend more than 20 turns getting there. There is so much space and the other civs are able to expand more before you can get there. You need strong attackers (archer/sword/horse) out front to clear or capture territory but that only slows setter production.
I am thinking that industrious is the key. Building worker factories at strategic points to build a road network in advance of the settlers might be my second priority after building a core. Sort of a go "medium" strategy. In any case, I need more focus on my logistics.
In my last game, I thought I had found a new tactic to speed things up. Go to war with the bigger civs (4-5 ciites) that were far away. the idea was to offer peace for cities. I was hoping that on chieftan they would give you a city or two without you have to hurt them first. I tried it with 3 different civs. I didn't get a single city
UPDATE: I decided to finish the last of the 3 maps before playing GTOM42. No SGL but still was able to finish in 370BC. Again! The position was that good. I had everything positioned but no SGL, so I started to pop-rush libraries. I also captured 7-8 cities reducing the last civ to 1 city. I gift everyone Monarchy so they would stop pop-rushing.
I am struggling with "go long" settlement tactic on the bigger maps. The distances are so far you can spend more than 20 turns getting there. There is so much space and the other civs are able to expand more before you can get there. You need strong attackers (archer/sword/horse) out front to clear or capture territory but that only slows setter production.
I am thinking that industrious is the key. Building worker factories at strategic points to build a road network in advance of the settlers might be my second priority after building a core. Sort of a go "medium" strategy.
In any case, I need more focus on my logistics.In my last game, I thought I had found a new tactic to speed things up. Go to war with the bigger civs (4-5 ciites) that were far away. the idea was to offer peace for cities. I was hoping that on chieftan they would give you a city or two without you have to hurt them first. I tried it with 3 different civs. I didn't get a single city
UPDATE: I decided to finish the last of the 3 maps before playing GTOM42. No SGL but still was able to finish in 370BC. Again! The position was that good. I had everything positioned but no SGL, so I started to pop-rush libraries. I also captured 7-8 cities reducing the last civ to 1 city. I gift everyone Monarchy so they would stop pop-rushing.
Mistfit
Deity
370 Seems to be the date to beat then 
I have started my first true attempt at a standard game, not just a test game. And I think that you are correct in the thinking that the outside in does not work as well. I've still been trying to get them out to the outer reaches but what I am doing is placing them near the AI Capitals before the second expansion so when I attack them it is quicker and I can still sneak attack them. So Far I do not have a SGL on this game but the domination limit was under 700 Other than that what I have been doing with the settlers is gobbling up all of the food resourses that I run into on the way to the outer reaches to pop settlers out of.
I have started my first true attempt at a standard game, not just a test game. And I think that you are correct in the thinking that the outside in does not work as well. I've still been trying to get them out to the outer reaches but what I am doing is placing them near the AI Capitals before the second expansion so when I attack them it is quicker and I can still sneak attack them. So Far I do not have a SGL on this game but the domination limit was under 700 Other than that what I have been doing with the settlers is gobbling up all of the food resourses that I run into on the way to the outer reaches to pop settlers out of.
Sounds like a good strategy. I will be interested to see how it works out. I am thinking that if the start isn't dead center of the land mass it is going to be difficult to do much better. In all of mine so far, I wouldn't have made it until later without captureing good portion of the AI's cities (avg of 2-3 each.)Mistfit said:370 Seems to be the date to beat then
Oh, one correction. My either Babylon game was actually 390BC. So, I only have two 370BC. Not that I really want a hat trick.
I generated some new maps overnight. I played the 3 best maps this morning. I got another 390BC, then a 410BC, but the last one was 590BC. 
The first two were without a SGL. It seems rushing libraries is just about as effective as getting the ToA. The limiting factor seems to be land speed & distance. One thing I have decided is that you should revolt to monarchy (I didn't try Republic as it takes too long to get.) Timing a GA to coincide helps too. Add that to your idea of settling the best food resource first and you get the pop production you need to expand using cities close to the edge of your territory.
Joining workers, cash-rushing settlers and even libraries is also a must. I've done pop-rush of those successfully, but I think the overall growth under monarchy is better.
My research order is usually: Pottery, CB, Myst, Poly, IW, Writing, Phil, Monarchy, Lit. I shut it off after that in favor of cash. (I usually get CB or Pottery from a GH and trade for IW and sometimes writing too.)
My early builds are usually warrior, worker, granary, warrior, settler. At that point, if I was able to chop a forest or two then I have a 3-5 settler factory going. (I am beginning to think warrior, warrior, worker, etc. might be better.) I usually try to build a couple archers in my first cities and switch to Immortals and then Horseman as they become available. (I was building warriors insteal of archer but they are no match for spearman and aren't worth bring home to upgrade later.) If horsemem are available and the AI are far off, then I might build only one Immortal for a GA
I think that the Persian Industrious trait may turn out to be more valuable than the Sumerian's Agricultural trait for the bigger maps. Sumeria can build a few more settlers but he needs more workers to match productivity of the Persians. In the end, the quicker start and the faster contruction of a road network into the wilderness areas may make the difference.
It will be interesting to see how you are progressing. For now, I have had enough domination.
I'm going sit on my 590BC date and hope you can't beat it.
The first two were without a SGL. It seems rushing libraries is just about as effective as getting the ToA. The limiting factor seems to be land speed & distance. One thing I have decided is that you should revolt to monarchy (I didn't try Republic as it takes too long to get.) Timing a GA to coincide helps too. Add that to your idea of settling the best food resource first and you get the pop production you need to expand using cities close to the edge of your territory.
Joining workers, cash-rushing settlers and even libraries is also a must. I've done pop-rush of those successfully, but I think the overall growth under monarchy is better.
My research order is usually: Pottery, CB, Myst, Poly, IW, Writing, Phil, Monarchy, Lit. I shut it off after that in favor of cash. (I usually get CB or Pottery from a GH and trade for IW and sometimes writing too.)
My early builds are usually warrior, worker, granary, warrior, settler. At that point, if I was able to chop a forest or two then I have a 3-5 settler factory going. (I am beginning to think warrior, warrior, worker, etc. might be better.) I usually try to build a couple archers in my first cities and switch to Immortals and then Horseman as they become available. (I was building warriors insteal of archer but they are no match for spearman and aren't worth bring home to upgrade later.) If horsemem are available and the AI are far off, then I might build only one Immortal for a GA
I think that the Persian Industrious trait may turn out to be more valuable than the Sumerian's Agricultural trait for the bigger maps. Sumeria can build a few more settlers but he needs more workers to match productivity of the Persians. In the end, the quicker start and the faster contruction of a road network into the wilderness areas may make the difference.
It will be interesting to see how you are progressing. For now, I have had enough domination.
I'm going sit on my 590BC date and hope you can't beat it.
Mistfit
Deity
Well my first "real" game was an abject failure. Great map: less than 700 dom and I was able to get 2 - 4 turn settler factories up and running. But the problem I have is if I do not get the ToA through a SGL I'm screwed. I place my cities in such a way as to maximize the effects of the ToA cultural expansions which does not lend itself to hand placing 9 tile cities. So I've got Map Finder looking for maps again for me.
Rule Sets:
1.) any map under 700 Dom
2.) any map with > 1 Cow with fresh water
3.) any map with > 2 Cows
Rule Sets:
1.) any map under 700 Dom
2.) any map with > 1 Cow with fresh water
3.) any map with > 2 Cows
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