Sandman2003
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I don't know about you, but there is something stopping me from doing this one - I aint that masochistic!Dianthus said:
Mistfits Quick Domination Attempts
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Mistfit
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The thing stopping me is lack of skill 
Me too, last time I tried Sid I didn't last too long. That was directly after playing a bunch of Chieftain games though (yeah, that must be why!Mistfit said:The thing stopping me is lack of skill
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Yeah, there was surreal moment there when the third one popped up. Something between disbelief and sadness at the waste. To make things worse, I think it was three teches in a row, if you don't count the free Monarchy from Philosophy. I may never get a SGL again.BlackBetsy said:
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OK, so I've finally broken 1000 b.c. on Chieftain with a two SGL game with the Sumerians. I picked THREE AI opponents rather than two (more free cities), Byzantines, English, Spanish.
Sumeria for Scientific (SGL increased prob), as well as Agricultural (faster growth) traits. Picked The Wheel as a starting tech.
I got a very good starting location, built an Enkidu Warrior to explore, another worker, then got the message I've been dreaming of (see below)
Hadn't even researched Masonry yet...so I got it as quickly as I could and rushed the Pyramids in Sumer. Later, upon researching writing, I got a second SGL, then had to wait for Polytheism to build the ToA.
Did an archer rush (4 archers built in a settler-archer-settler-archer cycle) on London and Byzantium, snatching them both with minimal RNG help. Later failed to take Madrid with 4 archers, otherwise I'd have been done in 1300 bc. Lost a bunch of other time by sending 2 settlers to the end of continent where they weren't needed.
I still thought I was going to have a tough time beating 1000bc..but the temple expansions from the ToA really made a huge difference. In addition, your cultural borders also will expand more than 21 tiles if you place them right - I've got a couple cities on x0000x placement because the expansion connected up two areas.
Another key factor - MapFinder got me a world with a below 300 square Dom Limit as well as a relatively tight Pang. no settlers had to move more than 7 turns to settle - this makes a HUGE difference.
Sumeria for Scientific (SGL increased prob), as well as Agricultural (faster growth) traits. Picked The Wheel as a starting tech.
I got a very good starting location, built an Enkidu Warrior to explore, another worker, then got the message I've been dreaming of (see below)
Hadn't even researched Masonry yet...so I got it as quickly as I could and rushed the Pyramids in Sumer. Later, upon researching writing, I got a second SGL, then had to wait for Polytheism to build the ToA.
Did an archer rush (4 archers built in a settler-archer-settler-archer cycle) on London and Byzantium, snatching them both with minimal RNG help. Later failed to take Madrid with 4 archers, otherwise I'd have been done in 1300 bc. Lost a bunch of other time by sending 2 settlers to the end of continent where they weren't needed.
I still thought I was going to have a tough time beating 1000bc..but the temple expansions from the ToA really made a huge difference. In addition, your cultural borders also will expand more than 21 tiles if you place them right - I've got a couple cities on x0000x placement because the expansion connected up two areas.
Another key factor - MapFinder got me a world with a below 300 square Dom Limit as well as a relatively tight Pang. no settlers had to move more than 7 turns to settle - this makes a HUGE difference.
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Yes I noticed that too not long ago (about cultural borders), and I had told someone just the opposite in this thread... I guess that article in strategy forum was not completly right. Maybe Ill go do some testing, as it would be important for such games.... and im thinking of doing a domination game soon.
EDIT : I went back and found the thread :
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=106882
The "Exception" we are considering is this :
VII. If an unassigned tile finds a tile of a single civ directly adjacent to both the NW and SE, it is assigned to that civ.
VIII. If an unassigned tile finds a tile of a single civ directly adjacent to both the NE and SW, it is assigned to that civ.
It looks to me like this could be exploited to get an optimal city placing assuming culture between 10-100 (21 tiles per city)...
Ill think about this...
Well I have tried a couple Small maps.
The frist was 4 cows, but way off center on a penisula. I quit it early.
Second was a perfect setup. 3 cows in the center of the map. As I explored, I found more cows and wheat all around.
I got Monarchy, revolted, started my GA, wiped out two civs, captured all three capitols and one other city. Finish in 630BC. Not a single SGL.
The strategy of sending worker out to build roads in all directions seems to works pretty well. Going monarchy improve growth/product and being able to cash rush temples seems the best approach. I built or rushed at least a dozen. Late war with horsemen works pretty good once you have enough.
I think I might try the Ottomans next as they are Ind and Sci. That might be a good combination for speed and SGL chances.
The frist was 4 cows, but way off center on a penisula. I quit it early.
Second was a perfect setup. 3 cows in the center of the map. As I explored, I found more cows and wheat all around.
I got Monarchy, revolted, started my GA, wiped out two civs, captured all three capitols and one other city. Finish in 630BC. Not a single SGL.
The strategy of sending worker out to build roads in all directions seems to works pretty well. Going monarchy improve growth/product and being able to cash rush temples seems the best approach. I built or rushed at least a dozen. Late war with horsemen works pretty good once you have enough.
I think I might try the Ottomans next as they are Ind and Sci. That might be a good combination for speed and SGL chances.
killercane
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You're doing these on chieftain, no?
Mistfit
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Well That didn't last very long. Good Game Denniz. What is your prediction on the best possible date if you did get the SGL?
Edit: Ya could have waited 12 hours to submit the dang thing to at least have given me the #1 spot for 15 days
Good Game Denniz. What is your prediction on the best possible date if you did get the SGL?Edit: Ya could have waited 12 hours to submit the dang thing to at least have given me the #1 spot for 15 days
Thanks, sorry about that.Mistfit said:Well That didn't last very long.
Edit: Ya could have waited 12 hours to submit the dang thing to at least have given me the #1 spot for 15 days
Of course, you will just have to knock me out of there if you want to be #1. It's probably better this way, gives you more incentive.
Best possible date with a SGL? I don't really know. I think it would depend on when you get it. I know I built a lot of cities. The dom limit was in the upper 500's. Without the food bonus of Agriculture, growth would be slower. Sorry, too many variables. One of us will just have to get a SGL and let the other know.
I going to play COTM11 first, though.
Oh, did you notice BlackBetsy squeeze me out on points on my tiny 1100BC 3SGL game? What goes around... Good Job! BlackBetsy.
Please tell me you got at least 2SGLs.
Mistfit
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Don't get to comfortable in that #1 spot... As soon as the Mom-in-law leaves again I plan on focusing on taking that spot for myself
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Denniz said:Oh, did you notice BlackBetsy squeeze me out on points on my tiny 1100BC 3SGL game? What goes around... Good Job! BlackBetsy.
Yup! Got first one with The Wheel and second with Writing. Built Pyramids with the first and ToA with the second.
But the real trick is the sending of the first few settlers to the corners of the Pang a la the new Domination champion. With barbs off and non-aggressive AI's, this is a 200-year-saving trick!
For fast domination on Sid, I think Persia and China would do very well. I recently tested it out with the Chinese - no problem at all. I didn't have any horse, but was able to buy it dirt cheap from the AI (for only 5 gpt). Anyway, I upgrade some horsemen to raiders to take Leo's from the nearest civ, then mass upgrade the rest. I made a huge mistake in over-estimate the AIs...they weren't as strong as I thought. My 40 plus raiders dominated the world by 130 BC - the same year as DaveMcW. I think it can be done much sooner...I may have to play another one.
Btw, it was on a small map; therefore, Dave is still #1 on tiny Sid.
Btw, it was on a small map; therefore, Dave is still #1 on tiny Sid.
Yeah, I saw that post and have been trying to send settlers "long" in my current small map attempts with Persia. So far, I have only gotten one SGL in 15-20 attempts. That one came around 1000BC, but with bad map shape and other civ's in the way, I could only dup my 630BC date.BlackBetsy said:
Mistfit is going to kick my butt if I don't start getting some SGL's.
Mistfit
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I'm planning on having some playing time this weekend 
Mistfit
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Civ: Sumer
Small Chieftan Domination attempt
Oppenents England, Byzantines, Korea
Middle of the road on all Terrain setting except age which was 5 bil years
Turned AI respawn off
Everyone friendly
goodie huts only (for early settler hopefully)
Well after Denniz took my # 1 spot away from me I have been feverishly trying to beat his score and I think that I have a pretty good game here.
This was the start:
2 cows and a deer at the start. Not the best location as it was in the Northern Hemisphere but I thought I'd give it a go. It ended up bieng especially good as it had no islands to take up domination tiles.
I started with EW - straight to Granary and then Settler Factory there after.
I started my Golden age rather early in 2900BC but this seemed to help me get my second settler factory up and running and a bunch of settlers out by 1000BC.
I was doing pretty well in 1000BC with 20 towns and 8 settlers wandering around. In the whole game I only eliminated one civ. (the Koreans) at the beginning of the game to start my GA. I ended up being able to squeeze the rest out of the English and Byz. As you can see I decided to switch to Monrachy because Denniz did and I have to admit I think it helped being able to rush settlers where I needed them not just where the Population was. I only built 2 native workers the whole game. I used the Outside in settling technique to good use
I did get the SGL - I believe it was on Math...
I got The Toa built in 1075BC as you will see in the pictures of the progression. If you look closely you'll notice that I let the Capital riot on this turn (oopss!) To much Gentleman Jack to play a perfect game,
So I won with a good date:
with the Victory Conditions of:
In my heart I know this score is very beatable but I don't know if I have it in me to keep playing this same game over and over to get a better score. So more than likely if Denniz or smirk or Black Betty come up on top I doubt if I will try to contest it.
Submission Acceptance Pending:
Edit: Submission Accepted
Score: 2951
Date: 775BC
Condition: Domination Victory
Civilization: Sumeria
Version: C3C 1.22
Submitted: 2005-04-09 02:43:11
The funny thing is it took almost as long to post this thread as it did to play the game. If I only had cable or DSL at home this would be much easier.
If any of you have a heart try not to beat this score until after the 15th. Gove a man his ego for at least 15 days.... Just kidding. Good luck to everyone on their attempts.
Small Chieftan Domination attempt
Oppenents England, Byzantines, Korea
Middle of the road on all Terrain setting except age which was 5 bil years
Turned AI respawn off
Everyone friendly
goodie huts only (for early settler hopefully)
Well after Denniz took my # 1 spot away from me I have been feverishly trying to beat his score and I think that I have a pretty good game here.
This was the start:
2 cows and a deer at the start. Not the best location as it was in the Northern Hemisphere but I thought I'd give it a go. It ended up bieng especially good as it had no islands to take up domination tiles.
I started with EW - straight to Granary and then Settler Factory there after.
I started my Golden age rather early in 2900BC but this seemed to help me get my second settler factory up and running and a bunch of settlers out by 1000BC.
I was doing pretty well in 1000BC with 20 towns and 8 settlers wandering around. In the whole game I only eliminated one civ. (the Koreans) at the beginning of the game to start my GA. I ended up being able to squeeze the rest out of the English and Byz. As you can see I decided to switch to Monrachy because Denniz did and I have to admit I think it helped being able to rush settlers where I needed them not just where the Population was. I only built 2 native workers the whole game. I used the Outside in settling technique to good use
I did get the SGL - I believe it was on Math...
I got The Toa built in 1075BC as you will see in the pictures of the progression. If you look closely you'll notice that I let the Capital riot on this turn (oopss!) To much Gentleman Jack to play a perfect game,
So I won with a good date:
with the Victory Conditions of:
In my heart I know this score is very beatable but I don't know if I have it in me to keep playing this same game over and over to get a better score. So more than likely if Denniz or smirk or Black Betty come up on top I doubt if I will try to contest it.
Submission Acceptance Pending:
Edit: Submission Accepted
Score: 2951
Date: 775BC
Condition: Domination Victory
Civilization: Sumeria
Version: C3C 1.22
Submitted: 2005-04-09 02:43:11
The funny thing is it took almost as long to post this thread as it did to play the game. If I only had cable or DSL at home this would be much easier.
If any of you have a heart try not to beat this score until after the 15th. Gove a man his ego for at least 15 days.... Just kidding. Good luck to everyone on their attempts.
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