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MM7: Slicing Samuri
- Thread starter Mark1031
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1150: I notice that Kahn is pretty well defended and that city Turfan gives us nithing and it will take many turns to get troops ready to take it. OTOH Machu Pichu has wines and is weakly defended. I will take peace with Kahn when I can and switch to Huayna who is not very friendly with us anyway.
1160: Tear up some fishing nets
1170: Move troops. Take peace with Kahn for nothing through a misclick.
1180:zzz
1190: Kyoto WE->lighthouse. Edo WE-> Harbor. Kagoshima->lighthouse. We have enough of an army so back to infra.
1200: Guilds->paper for PP and Edu. Osaka cat-> forge
1210: Cancel open boarders with Huayna and declare.
1220: Moving on Machu Pichu
1230: Bombard Machu Pichu from 65% to 26%. No counter.
1240: Paper-> printing press. Paper to our friend Liz for optics straight up. And on the war front 3 more bombards reduce city defenses to 0. Send in 2 suicide cats and we are able to take the city defended by 2 LBs, 1 maceman, and 1 spear losing 1 WE in the process.
1250: Consolidate and heal.
I would press the war on the Incans. We would need some more cats but we can also take them down or out almost with what we have for actual troops. Or we could stop and consolidate at some point. Kahn will be a tougher nut but Im hoping our friend Liz can be eventually made friendly enough to declare on him. This would be nice as he would be sandwiched.
1160: Tear up some fishing nets
1170: Move troops. Take peace with Kahn for nothing through a misclick.
1180:zzz
1190: Kyoto WE->lighthouse. Edo WE-> Harbor. Kagoshima->lighthouse. We have enough of an army so back to infra.
1200: Guilds->paper for PP and Edu. Osaka cat-> forge
1210: Cancel open boarders with Huayna and declare.
1220: Moving on Machu Pichu
1230: Bombard Machu Pichu from 65% to 26%. No counter.
1240: Paper-> printing press. Paper to our friend Liz for optics straight up. And on the war front 3 more bombards reduce city defenses to 0. Send in 2 suicide cats and we are able to take the city defended by 2 LBs, 1 maceman, and 1 spear losing 1 WE in the process.
1250: Consolidate and heal.
I would press the war on the Incans. We would need some more cats but we can also take them down or out almost with what we have for actual troops. Or we could stop and consolidate at some point. Kahn will be a tougher nut but Im hoping our friend Liz can be eventually made friendly enough to declare on him. This would be nice as he would be sandwiched.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
nice 
mark!
fyi: I will be out of town Thursday and Friday, so feel free to skip or swap if I'm up, eotinb
mark! fyi: I will be out of town Thursday and Friday, so feel free to skip or swap if I'm up, eotinb
MeteorPunch
#WINNING
I've got it..
MeteorPunch
#WINNING
played an extra turn somehow.
1250 Trade with Mansa for Banking.
1260 I'm really confused. Why do we have a galley with a warrior and catapult on board...in English territory?
1270
1280
1290 Islam founded...somewhere. Open Borders with Napoleon.
1300
1310 capture Huamanga. Lost 2 catapults. Make peace with Inca for all I can get.
1320
1330 Start on Replacable Parts.
1340
1350
1360 Kublai declares war on Elizabeth! falling right into our (Marks) plans...the AI sucks at killing each other, but at least they'll start hating each other before we ally England vs. Mongolia.
- Next player: redeclare war on the Inca when the peace treaty expires (1410, I think).
- our military production isn't so great for quickly conquering at the moment. For that we need a decent number of city attackers (Samurai would be best, but we have mostly elephants) and catapults.
Important: I played in version 1.09, I assume everyone is going to be upgrading.
1250 Trade with Mansa for Banking.
1260 I'm really confused. Why do we have a galley with a warrior and catapult on board...in English territory?
1270
1280
1290 Islam founded...somewhere. Open Borders with Napoleon.
1300
1310 capture Huamanga. Lost 2 catapults. Make peace with Inca for all I can get.
1320
1330 Start on Replacable Parts.
1340
1350
1360 Kublai declares war on Elizabeth! falling right into our (Marks) plans...the AI sucks at killing each other, but at least they'll start hating each other before we ally England vs. Mongolia.
- Next player: redeclare war on the Inca when the peace treaty expires (1410, I think).
- our military production isn't so great for quickly conquering at the moment. For that we need a decent number of city attackers (Samurai would be best, but we have mostly elephants) and catapults.
Important: I played in version 1.09, I assume everyone is going to be upgrading.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
looks like i'm up. got it.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
scroll around, all looks fine. bump up research to get RP in 7T vs 8T, but lose about 13gpt
MM Nara for growth
Turn 197 (1370 AD)
Huamanga begins: Library
Huamanga begins: Taoist Monastery
The resistance in Huamanga ends, set to Taoist Monastery to get some quick culture. City is starving
chop the forest next to New Sarai to aid finishing the Grocer
Not much to do. All cities are still building the old stuff
Osaka grows: 11
Osaka finishes: Samurai
Tokyo grows: 10
Kagoshima grows: 6
Nara grows: 3
Turn 198 (1380 AD)
Osaka begins: Samurai
I upgrade a promoted warrior to a pike for 160g
Turn down research, RP still due in 5T @ +7gpt
Kyoto finishes: Knight
Machu Picchu's borders expand
Turn 199 (1390 AD)
Kyoto begins: Knight
Satsuma grows: 12
Satsuma finishes: Grocer
Turn 200 (1400 AD)
Tech learned: Divine Right
Satsuma begins: Courthouse
There were 2 trades on the IBT:
1st: England offers Divine Right and 20g for PP
2nd: Mongols cancel Open Borders agreement
Upgrade 2 Axeman to Samurai's.
verify that our peace deal can be canceled in 1T. Also note that the Mongal are tight with Capac, so we do risk getting involved in a 2 front war.
Tokyo's borders expand
Machu Picchu finishes: Granary
Turn 201 (1410 AD)
Machu Picchu begins: Barracks
I move a Samurai and Elephant out of Machu Picchu. Our largest force is going to go for Corihu, and then swing N.
Kyoto finishes: Knight
Turn 202 (1420 AD)
Kyoto begins: Knight
DoW on the Inca
Samurai promoted: Cover
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Our attack force heading for Corihuayrachina
Knight promoted: Flanking I
Tech learned: Replaceable Parts
Tokyo finishes: Knight
New Sarai finishes: Grocer
Turn 203 (1430 AD)
Research begun: Gunpowder
Research begun: Rifling
Tokyo begins: Samurai
New Sarai begins: Work Boat
Ok, after RP, I go for Rifling, which requires Gunpowder 1st. Guns in 7T, Rifling 13T after that.
No counters from the Inca
Samurai promoted: City Raider I
Pick up 30g pillaging a tile with a knight
Osaka finishes: Samurai
Edo grows: 10
Huamanga finishes: Taoist Monastery
Turn 204 (1440 AD)
Osaka begins: Samurai
Huamanga begins: Library
Galley defeats: Incan Galley.
Cori has some LB's, a chariot, and a spear. Should be pretty easy with this force
Sink a galley that had a horse archer and a chariot
Samurai promoted: Combat II
Kyoto finishes: Knight
Satsuma grows: 13
New Sarai finishes: Work Boat
Machu Picchu finishes: Barracks
Turn 205 (1450 AD)
Kyoto begins: Knight
New Sarai begins: Market
Machu Picchu begins: Buddhist Monastery
Inca's borders expand, and a chariot moves up, but nothing else.
Ok, looks like Cori now has a cat, which puts the stack in jeapordy. Our cats drop the defences down to 34%, but I decide to send in the units anyways, as we should be able to take this important town and keep the front to our N from now on.
Samurai loses to: Incan Longbowman.
Samurai loses to: Incan Longbowman.
Samurai defeats: Incan Longbowman.
Knight defeats: Incan Spearman.
War Elephant defeats: Incan Longbowman.
War Elephant defeats: Incan Catapult.
We capture the town, costing us 2 Samurai's, but now we can focus our strength in 1 direction.
Taoism has spread: Corihuayrachina
Galley promoted: Drill I
Knight promoted: Combat I
Knight defeats: Incan Chariot.
Satsuma finishes: Courthouse
Kagoshima finishes: Forge
Turn 206 (1460 AD)
Satsuma begins: Pikeman
Kagoshima begins: Library
Whoops, sorry, I hit enter by accident. Builds in Kagoshima and Satsuma can be switched.
Looks like we're not going to get much resistance from the Inca. Suggest we roll over them while building up for the bigger showdown with the Mongols. We could use a few more courts, especially in our far-flung towns.
Crap, can't upload the save. Will try again later (or tomorrow morning)
MM Nara for growth
Turn 197 (1370 AD)
Huamanga begins: Library
Huamanga begins: Taoist Monastery
The resistance in Huamanga ends, set to Taoist Monastery to get some quick culture. City is starving
chop the forest next to New Sarai to aid finishing the Grocer
Not much to do. All cities are still building the old stuff
Osaka grows: 11
Osaka finishes: Samurai
Tokyo grows: 10
Kagoshima grows: 6
Nara grows: 3
Turn 198 (1380 AD)
Osaka begins: Samurai
I upgrade a promoted warrior to a pike for 160g
Turn down research, RP still due in 5T @ +7gpt
Kyoto finishes: Knight
Machu Picchu's borders expand
Turn 199 (1390 AD)
Kyoto begins: Knight
Satsuma grows: 12
Satsuma finishes: Grocer
Turn 200 (1400 AD)
Tech learned: Divine Right
Satsuma begins: Courthouse
There were 2 trades on the IBT:
1st: England offers Divine Right and 20g for PP
2nd: Mongols cancel Open Borders agreement
Upgrade 2 Axeman to Samurai's.
verify that our peace deal can be canceled in 1T. Also note that the Mongal are tight with Capac, so we do risk getting involved in a 2 front war.
Tokyo's borders expand
Machu Picchu finishes: Granary
Turn 201 (1410 AD)
Machu Picchu begins: Barracks
I move a Samurai and Elephant out of Machu Picchu. Our largest force is going to go for Corihu, and then swing N.
Kyoto finishes: Knight
Turn 202 (1420 AD)
Kyoto begins: Knight
DoW on the Inca
Samurai promoted: Cover
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Our attack force heading for Corihuayrachina
Knight promoted: Flanking I
Tech learned: Replaceable Parts
Tokyo finishes: Knight
New Sarai finishes: Grocer
Turn 203 (1430 AD)
Research begun: Gunpowder
Research begun: Rifling
Tokyo begins: Samurai
New Sarai begins: Work Boat
Ok, after RP, I go for Rifling, which requires Gunpowder 1st. Guns in 7T, Rifling 13T after that.
No counters from the Inca
Samurai promoted: City Raider I
Pick up 30g pillaging a tile with a knight
Osaka finishes: Samurai
Edo grows: 10
Huamanga finishes: Taoist Monastery
Turn 204 (1440 AD)
Osaka begins: Samurai
Huamanga begins: Library
Galley defeats: Incan Galley.
Cori has some LB's, a chariot, and a spear. Should be pretty easy with this force
Sink a galley that had a horse archer and a chariot
Samurai promoted: Combat II
Kyoto finishes: Knight
Satsuma grows: 13
New Sarai finishes: Work Boat
Machu Picchu finishes: Barracks
Turn 205 (1450 AD)
Kyoto begins: Knight
New Sarai begins: Market
Machu Picchu begins: Buddhist Monastery
Inca's borders expand, and a chariot moves up, but nothing else.
Ok, looks like Cori now has a cat, which puts the stack in jeapordy. Our cats drop the defences down to 34%, but I decide to send in the units anyways, as we should be able to take this important town and keep the front to our N from now on.
Samurai loses to: Incan Longbowman.
Samurai loses to: Incan Longbowman.
Samurai defeats: Incan Longbowman.
Knight defeats: Incan Spearman.
War Elephant defeats: Incan Longbowman.
War Elephant defeats: Incan Catapult.
We capture the town, costing us 2 Samurai's, but now we can focus our strength in 1 direction.
Taoism has spread: Corihuayrachina
Galley promoted: Drill I
Knight promoted: Combat I
Knight defeats: Incan Chariot.
Satsuma finishes: Courthouse
Kagoshima finishes: Forge
Turn 206 (1460 AD)
Satsuma begins: Pikeman
Kagoshima begins: Library
Whoops, sorry, I hit enter by accident. Builds in Kagoshima and Satsuma can be switched.
Looks like we're not going to get much resistance from the Inca. Suggest we roll over them while building up for the bigger showdown with the Mongols. We could use a few more courts, especially in our far-flung towns.
Crap, can't upload the save. Will try again later (or tomorrow morning)
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
and here it is
CFC was definitely a little wacky for me last night. couldn't even post a report in MM8!
CFC was definitely a little wacky for me last night. couldn't even post a report in MM8!
The save
Summary: I did a lot of pillaging and took Tiwanaku. Used a Great Engineer to hurry Versailles in New Sarai. Now might be a good time to ask for peace. I didn't check what HC was willing to give this last turn, but even some gold would be worth it for a bit of a break. HC did manage to pillage a few tiles near our mutual border, but I think he won't be doing much more of that since he is losing his cities and his resources -- only the boats are a threat now, which is why I started some Caravels.
Spoiler detailed log with pictures :
Summary: I did a lot of pillaging and took Tiwanaku. Used a Great Engineer to hurry Versailles in New Sarai. Now might be a good time to ask for peace. I didn't check what HC was willing to give this last turn, but even some gold would be worth it for a bit of a break. HC did manage to pillage a few tiles near our mutual border, but I think he won't be doing much more of that since he is losing his cities and his resources -- only the boats are a threat now, which is why I started some Caravels.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
nice
i vote that we take the last Incan city, then start getting ready for the Mongols. No mercy
i vote that we take the last Incan city, then start getting ready for the Mongols. No mercy
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
well, I'm still for taking him out lets us focus on the Mongols next.
However, you are recommending peace, any particular reason(s)? Sorry, but didn't see any real indication in your write-up that stated that we needed peace. WW becoming a problem? too many towns atm? Can we just rebuild a few more units and then regroup for the final 2 towns within 10 turns?
lets us focus on the Mongols next. However, you are recommending peace, any particular reason(s)? Sorry, but didn't see any real indication in your write-up that stated that we needed peace. WW becoming a problem? too many towns atm? Can we just rebuild a few more units and then regroup for the final 2 towns within 10 turns?
My thinking on peace was that our offensive is running out of gas. Cuzco is heavily defended and reinforcements are still far away. In 10 turns we could be poised to take both remining Incan cities and we might as well get something out of HC while we wait. But if Mark can take both cities with what I left him, I'd be as happy as everyone else.
Well I screwed up the autologger and I don’t feel like pouring through the details of the in game log.
Key Tech Trades: 1535: RP+220gp->Mansu for Nationalism. RP->Liz for Edu +200gp.
1540: Nationalism -> Khan for Astronomy. 1555: Gunpowder->Mansu for Econ. 1590: Chemistry->Mansu for Constitution. Also picked up corporation in there somewhere. We are now working on steam heading for assembly line (Infantry
).
Key Military: We take Olantamanbu first without difficulty, it had only 3 defenders used only 1 suicide cat as we were short on them. Healed and brought up some reinforcements to take out Cuzco by 1585. It had like 7 LBs and 2 cats. It did not use the cats to weaken our stacks which I kept on 2 tiles. It did require 2 rounds of attaching with everything we had and 3 suicide cats. We lost maybe 3 troops besides the cats in the whole affair. One thing that irritates me in this game is that it is almost impossible to pound techs out of the AI. We were crushing the Incans and they would never part with philo to stop the attack. This is just stupid on their part. Anyway by the time we make peace he has nothing to give and still won’t part with philo.
Government Change: After the war I revolt to Representation, caste system, and free market.
Thoughts: I think we are in a good government for awhile and next player should optimize cities and hire some specialists. I would take a breather for some infra and head for infantry and cannon. We can pump rifles and upgrade. I whored around some of our military techs to gets us some econ techs but we should probably keep techs to ourselves at least with our own continent. Khan is up next then Liz. If opportunities present themselves Mansu is a good trading partner on the other continent and small but a lead researcher who is willing to trade.
BTW I played to 1600 to even things out.
PS: We should have a GA comming up with the completion of the Taj.
PPS: On another note it might be a good idea not to pillage tiles in cities that we plan to keep. Esp towns which take a while to build up.
Key Tech Trades: 1535: RP+220gp->Mansu for Nationalism. RP->Liz for Edu +200gp.
1540: Nationalism -> Khan for Astronomy. 1555: Gunpowder->Mansu for Econ. 1590: Chemistry->Mansu for Constitution. Also picked up corporation in there somewhere. We are now working on steam heading for assembly line (Infantry
). Key Military: We take Olantamanbu first without difficulty, it had only 3 defenders used only 1 suicide cat as we were short on them. Healed and brought up some reinforcements to take out Cuzco by 1585. It had like 7 LBs and 2 cats. It did not use the cats to weaken our stacks which I kept on 2 tiles. It did require 2 rounds of attaching with everything we had and 3 suicide cats. We lost maybe 3 troops besides the cats in the whole affair. One thing that irritates me in this game is that it is almost impossible to pound techs out of the AI. We were crushing the Incans and they would never part with philo to stop the attack. This is just stupid on their part. Anyway by the time we make peace he has nothing to give and still won’t part with philo.
Government Change: After the war I revolt to Representation, caste system, and free market.
Thoughts: I think we are in a good government for awhile and next player should optimize cities and hire some specialists. I would take a breather for some infra and head for infantry and cannon. We can pump rifles and upgrade. I whored around some of our military techs to gets us some econ techs but we should probably keep techs to ourselves at least with our own continent. Khan is up next then Liz. If opportunities present themselves Mansu is a good trading partner on the other continent and small but a lead researcher who is willing to trade.
BTW I played to 1600 to even things out.
PS: We should have a GA comming up with the completion of the Taj.
PPS: On another note it might be a good idea not to pillage tiles in cities that we plan to keep. Esp towns which take a while to build up.
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