[MOD] Realism:The Third Resurrection

[Feilong]

Hi,

This post is to the appreciation of Realism Mod crew, but also to the other members of this Mod community.

I was playing CIV - Realism Mod and I thought of some new Wonders, new techs, new Civics and new Great Persons that could be added.
It's probably later to add this new ideas to the incoming version, or it may be even "impossible" to ever add them to the mod (I don't know much about modding!!), but in my oppinion it's better to talk about them, than letting them in the drawer

NEW TECHS

* Painting
- Should lead to Writing
- May Build a New Wonder LASCAUX CAVE PAINTING (description in Wonders)

* Penicillin
- Should be activated after the research of Education, Biology and Chemistry and lead to new tech: Modern Medicine
- +2 Health | +2 Science
- 1 New Great Scientist: Alexander Fleming

* Modern Medicine
- Should be activated after the research of Education, Biology, Chemistry, Penicillin and Medicine
- +3 Health | +2 Science

* Telephone
- Should be activated after research of Industrialization
- +3 Culture | +2 Production | +1 Happy | +1 Trade Route
- 1 New Great Scientist : Alexander Graham Bell

* Mobile Communications
- Should be activated after research of Satellites
- +4 Culture | +3 Production | +2 Happy |+1 Trade Route
- City more likely to generate Great Merchant

* Hacking
- Should be activated after research of Internet
- +2 Culture | +1 Production | +1 Unhappy
- New Unit: HACKER - Able to stop for some turns (6??) or destroy current tech research in a rival city | Able to steal up to 5% wealth of rival's wealth

* SETI Program
- Leads to new tech: FUTURE WARFARE
- Should be activated after research of Apollo Program
- +25% Culture | +40% Science | +1 Happy
- New Wonder: Hubble Space Telescope

* Magellan's Expedition
- Should be activated after Sailing
- +2 Trade Routes | +1 Gold
- Reveals new Luxury Resource: Cinnamon: +1 Commerce
- 1 New Great Person : Fernão de Magalhães

* Automobile
- Should be activated after Combustion
- +3 Trade Routes | +2 Happy | +3 Gold | -2 Health+
- 1 New Great Person: Karl Benz

* Cibernetics
- In development

* Ceremonial Burial
- In development

* Future Warfare
- New Units like JetPack or Laser Soldier, but still in development


NEW WONDERS

* Lascaux Cave Painting
- +1 Culture | +1Trade Route

* Hubble Space Telescope
- +50% Science | +2 Trade Routes
- 1 Free Tech

* Disneyland
- +3 Happy in all cities in the continent | +3 Gold | +40% of city generating Great Artist

* Maracanã Stadium
- +4 Happy in all cities in the continent | +3 Gold | +40% of city generating Great Artist

* Tower Of Babel
- +50 Religion spread
- 1 New Great Person: St. John


NEW GREAT PERSONS

* Alexander Fleming: Great Scientist
* Alexander Graham Bell: Great Scientist
* Fernão de Magalhães: Great Merchant
* Karl Benz: Great Engineer
* St. John: Great Prophet


These are just some of my ideas to improve the Civilization game experience.
I will post more of them when they are better developed.


Regards,

 

[Spartan117]

houman can you provide insight on some of the new units included in the game..

by the way that one trebuchet was animated...how do you think it looks and if you thought it look good is it included in the new version of realism?

 

[Houman]

@Spartan

Yes the new Trebuchet has been implemented.

New Units already implemented:
- New Trebuchet
- King Tiger Tank (Tiger II) replaces German Panzer
- African Warrior
- Renault FT17 Tank - Replaces MarkV for French
- A7V - Replaces MarkV for Germans
- New Nuclear Submarine replaces the old Nuclear Submarine

Planned Units:
4 Modern Tanks (T72 etc)
Ethnical Settlers
Ethnical Warriors
New Immortal Unit (If Rabbit White can finish it in time)
WW2 Land Transporter
and more

Looking for Sherman Tanks!! Does anyone know where we could find one?

And much more new features:
- Militaristic & Expansionist and Creative Trait improved as not seen before
- Assassin Mod almost rewritten with better defensive posiibilities
- Slave Mod
- Maercenaries Mod

And much more to come and not yet revealed.

 

[Bolleque]

@Houman - standard civ4 tank is Sherman

 

[Houman]

@Houman - standard civ4 tank is Sherman

LOL, this is another proof, that I never had the time to play further than the Classical era.

 

[Los Tirano]

Im with you Houman, im a classical/medieval to renaissance player. Anything after that just isnt my thing. Even if i did have the time.

Those new ethnic settlers are something im looking forward to. And ANOTHER immortal unit? I wonder what this one will look like.

Some great ideas Feilong, and they may be taken up by other interested people at a later date. If only all interesting ideas could be added.

 

[Houman]

@Los,

No same Immortal unit, just different head and shape.

 

[Houman]

Tank experts it is your call again:

I need suggestions for Modern Armor such as:
T72
T84
Abraham M1A1
Leopard 2A5

A modern Tank in game costs 240, Combat 40, think about other possibilities such as Firststrike, Firststrike chance and Withdrawl.

Thanks
Houman

 

[griff09]

I have a dumb question, is the mod 1.61 compatible yet? The release date says May 9th, but the directions still say the mod is 1.61 compatible???

 

[Mexico]

I have a dumb question, is the mod 1.61 compatible yet? The release date says May 9th, but the directions still say the mod is 1.61 compatible???

no, mod 1.09 is still compatible only with 1.52
next release will be labeled as Realism-1.61-1.5 release is planed at end of May ( I hope). Please be patient, we are working hard becasue we are implementing more new functions.

 

[Houman]

Tank experts it is your call again:

I need suggestions for Modern Armor such as:
T72
T84
Abraham M1A1
Leopard 2A5

A modern Tank in game costs 240, Combat 40, think about other possibilities such as Firststrike, Firststrike chance and Withdrawl.

Thanks
Houman

I need to ask this question again:
Maybe
Leopard Costs 260, Combat 42
M1A1 Costs 250, Combat 41
T84 Costs 240, Combat 40, 1FS
Normal Modern Armor Cost 235, Combat 40
T72 Costs 220, Combat 39

Any modifications to First Strikes?

Thanks

 

[Feilong]

I need to ask this question again:
Maybe
Leopard Costs 260, Combat 42
M1A1 Costs 250, Combat 41
T84 Costs 240, Combat 40, 1FS
Normal Modern Armor Cost 235, Combat 40
T72 Costs 220, Combat 39

Any modifications to First Strikes?

Thanks

Houman,

Regarding the tanks:

Leopard tank
Armour and armament
Armour [classified]
Main armament 1 105 mm rifled
Secondary armament 2 7.62 mm MG 3i (1x co-axial, 1x commander hatch)
Mobility
Power plant 10 cylinder, multi-fuel engine
830hp ( kW)
Suspension torsion bar
Road speed 65 km/h
Power/weight hp/tonne
Range 600 km

"The new design needed to able to withstand hits from 20 mm anti-tank guns, operate in a battlefield contaminated with chemical weapons or radioactive fallout"


M1A1 Abrams
Armour and armament
Armour Chobham
Main armament M1: 105 mm M68 Rifled Tank Gun
M1A1 and M1A2:
120 mm M256 Smooth Bore Tank Gun
Secondary armament one M2 .50 BMG (12.7 mm) MG
two M240 7.62 mm MG
1 pintle, 1 co-axial
Mobility
Power plant AGT-1500 turbine engine , Renk HSWL 354 transmission
1500 hp (1119 kW)
Suspension torsion bar
Road speed 72 km/h (45 mph)
Power/weight 23.8095 hp/tonne
Range M1: 498 km (310 mi)
M1A1: 465 km (288 mi)
M1A2: 391 km (243 mi)

"The M1A1 has the M256 120 mm smoothbore cannon developed by Rheinmetall AG of Germany for the Leopard 2, improved armor, and an NBC protection system.
Further upgrades include depleted uranium armor for all variants, a system overhaul that returns all A1's to zero hours (M1A1 AIM), a digital enhancement package for the A1 (M1A1D), a commonality program to standardize parts between the US Army and the Marine Corps (M1A1HC), and an electronic upgrade for the A2 (M1A2 SEP)."


T-84 Tank
Armour and armament
Armour [secret]
Main armament 125mm smoothbore gun KBA-3
Secondary armament 7.62mm KT-7.62 coaxial machine gun, 12.7mm KT-12.7 AA machine gun
Mobility
Power plant 12-cyl. diesel model 6TD-2
1,200 hp (895 kW)
Suspension torsion bar
Road speed 70 km/h
Power/weight 25 hp/tonne
Range 450 km

"The tank is also designed to perform well in hot climates, and even includes an air-conditioned crew compartment (operating temperature range is claimed to be −40 °C to 55 °C)."


T-72 Tank
Armour and armament
Armour Composite armour
Main armament 125 mm/L80 smoothbore, T-72B can launch AT-11 "Svir" ATGM
Secondary armament PKMT 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun, NSVT or DShK 12.7 mm AA machine gun on commander's ring-mount
Mobility
Power plant 12-cyl. diesel
840 hp (630 kW)
Suspension torsion bar
Road speed 75 km/h
Power/weight hp/tonne
Range 450 km, with barrels 600 km

" Depleted uranium armour-piercing ammunition for the 125 mm gun has been manufactured in Russia in the form of the BM-32 projectile since around 1978.
The T-72 with these enhancements and a skilled, motivated, proficient crew is a formidable opponent, even by twenty-first century standards, though it is not in the same class as the most modern designs such as the M1 Abrams.
The T-72 is designed to cross rivers submerged using a small diameter snorkel assembled on-site."


Looking at these, I would propose the following, from the best to the worst tank:

Leopard: Costs 260 | Combat 42 | +20% Defense and Attack in Radioactive terrain and nuclear fallout

M1A1: Costs 250 | Combat 41 | +10% Defense due to improved armor, and an NBC protection system | +20% attack with Uranium

T72: Costs 230 | Combat 40 (has more range than M1A1) | +20% attack with Uranium | +1 Movement water tiles

T84 Costs 220 | Combat 39 | +2 movement in desert terrain | +20% defense and attack in desert terrain

Normal Modern Armor Cost 215 | Combat 39 | I would only give FS to this one



Hope this helps!

 

[jeffdawgfan]

Looking at these, I would propose the following, from the best to the worst tank:
Leopard: Costs 260 | Combat 42 | +20% Defense and Attack in Radioactive terrain and nuclear fallout
M1A1: Costs 250 | Combat 41 | +10% Defense due to improved armor, and an NBC protection system | +20% attack with Uranium
T72: Costs 230 | Combat 40 (has more range than M1A1) | +20% attack with Uranium | +1 Movement water tiles
T84 Costs 220 | Combat 39 | +2 movement in desert terrain | +20% defense and attack in desert terrain
Normal Modern Armor Cost 215 | Combat 39 | I would only give FS to this one
Hope this helps![/QUOTE]

I would make one suggestion: I would give first strike capability to those tanks with a Laser Range Finder. M1, Leopard, T-84 definitely, I can't remeber if T-72 had a Laser Range Finder or not. I think it was a later upgrade. Why would only the Modern Armor get the 1st strike?

 

[Feilong]

Looking at these, I would propose the following, from the best to the worst tank:
Leopard: Costs 260 | Combat 42 | +20% Defense and Attack in Radioactive terrain and nuclear fallout
M1A1: Costs 250 | Combat 41 | +10% Defense due to improved armor, and an NBC protection system | +20% attack with Uranium
T72: Costs 230 | Combat 40 (has more range than M1A1) | +20% attack with Uranium | +1 Movement water tiles
T84 Costs 220 | Combat 39 | +2 movement in desert terrain | +20% defense and attack in desert terrain
Normal Modern Armor Cost 215 | Combat 39 | I would only give FS to this one
Hope this helps!

I would make one suggestion: I would give first strike capability to those tanks with a Laser Range Finder. M1, Leopard, T-84 definitely, I can't remeber if T-72 had a Laser Range Finder or not. I think it was a later upgrade. Why would only the Modern Armor get the 1st strike?[/QUOTE]

I thought giving only the FS upgrade to the normal modern armor, just to balance armor upgrades, since the other ones have attack and defense bonuses.
But I agree that FS could also be given to the other tanks, although I think it would create "super tanks".

 

[Los Tirano]

From what ive read and heard about the T-84 a first strike doesnt seem out of the question.

 

[Spartan117]

maybe there should be an addition of a better gunship to compensate for these new tanks or no land unit will be able to match up against them, but maybe i just think their should be an addition of an attack helicopter that is stronger than the gunship...

are these new tanks UU?

 

[Houman]

Wow Feilong, thanks for this excellent analysis.

Leopard: Costs 260 | Combat 42 | +20% Defense and Attack in Radioactive terrain and nuclear fallout

M1A1: Costs 250 | Combat 41 | +10% Defense due to improved armor, and an NBC protection system | +20% attack with Uranium

T72: Costs 230 | Combat 40 (has more range than M1A1) | +20% attack with Uranium | +1 Movement water tiles

T84 Costs 220 | Combat 39 | +2 movement in desert terrain | +20% defense and attack in desert terrain

Normal Modern Armor Cost 215 | Combat 39 | I would only give FS to this one

20% attack with Uranium means 46 combat for T-72 and 49 for M1A1. They will be able to destroy everything once Uranium has been founded. Maybe 5% would be better in sake of balance. T72 would be then 41. and M1A1 would be 43...or maybe 7% increase..hmmm

T84 shall have a deset bonus of 20% and ice bonus of 20% because of AC.

Leopard can also have Fallout 20% no problem. However they are still a bit underpowered since in game there are not often Fallouts right? On the other hand they have already the highest combatrate.

Hmmm We have to be careful that normal modern armor doesn't get too weak, or other civs are in big danger.

These Tank will be UU that replaces Modern armor
M1A1 (American)
Leopard (German)
T84 (despite being Ukranian, Russia)
T72 (the most common tank in middle east; Egypt, Mali, Arabia, Persia, India)
Rest will get the normal Modern Armor.

Any more suggestions?
Houman

 

[Spartan117]

@houman

look at this mod componenet...helos flying over water
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=171346

 

[Nightravn]

That is sweet.... Now it needs to be limited to just costal waters and then it would be perfect for this mod

 

[CivFan91]

no, mod 1.09 is still compatible only with 1.52
next release will be labeled as Realism-1.61-1.5 release is planed at end of May ( I hope). Please be patient, we are working hard becasue we are implementing more new functions.

I will remain patient, and so I will let this mod sit in "my downloads" until a 1.61-compatible version is out. I need patch 1.61 to play with a decent framerate in the Modern Age; I got great specs but I just can't hold cIV without that patch.