Mohawk Warrior speculation

[Eagle Pursuit]

The Mohawk Warrior may be one of the UU's we know least about. All we really have is a few fuzzy screenshots. We don't even know for sure that it's a swordsmen replacement. It could be an archer or scout replacement.

I think the most likely uniqueness for the MW (as a swordsman) is that it wouldn't require iron (like the Dog Soldier didn't require copper in Civ IV) and it has some combat bonus in forests to go with the lack of a movement penalty in forests from the UA.

Here's some other ideas though for possible unit traits:

bonus to XP: Iroquois showed their bravery by striking their enemy with a stick or bare hand in open combat. This is called Counting Coup.

bonus to city pop for razing a city with MW: Iroquois would attack isolated settlements and kidnap women and children.

combat bonus vs. wounded units: during French and Indian War, the British would make a ceasefire agreement with the French, but the Iroquois felt that this deprived them of loot. they would attack the retreating forces and massacre them. (this would keep the MW as a vital auxillary unit for many ages)

Any other ideas or comments?

 

[Scaramanga]

I think it will replace the warrior since having it more powerful than a jaguar seems odd.

 

[AriochIV]

I've seen regular Iroquois Warriors and Spearmen, so the Mohawk probably replaces the Swordsman.

 

[Scaramanga]

I've seen regular Iroquois Warriors and Spearmen, so the Mohawk probably replaces the Swordsman.

Warrior units and spearmen can't coexist?

 

[AriochIV]

If the Mohawk was the Iroquois replacement for the Warrior, then I wouldn't have seen an Iroquois Warrior.

 

[Scaramanga]

Oh, my mistake. I equated "Iroquois Warrior" with Mohawk Warrior.

 

[AriochIV]

Here's a screenshot, just so you don't have to take my word for it.

And a slightly less blurry shot of the Mohawk.

Appears to be armed with clubs. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mohawk was a resourceless swordsman, not unlike the Civ IV version of the Jaguar... possibly even weaker than a swordsman but with rough terrain bonuses.

 

[civ_king]

what weird is that the Iroquois rose to great power due to guns, if the Americans lost the Revolutionary War (obviously the American one) the Iroquois would probably have stretched from upstate New York to the Pacific

 

[Sciguy001]

My awesome-o idea:
Mohawk Warrior: Replaces Swordsman. 10 strength, does not require iron, uses 1/2 movement point when entering a forest or jungle tile, and has a promotion that makes so that they upgrade for very cheaply (to show their quick adaptation to the weaponry of their more advanced western opponents).
Similar to the Jaguar in CiV, is weaker yet is resourceless and then gets an increase to the UA upon themselves. To further balance the loss in strength they get a unique extra bonus that keeps on giving after they become obsolete. Seems like a reasonable UU, maybe a too many uniquenesses though.

 

[dagriggstar]

what weird is that the Iroquois rose to great power due to guns, if the Americans lost the Revolutionary War (obviously the American one) the Iroquois would probably have stretched from upstate New York to the Pacific

I know its the first UU I'm modding

 

[Venereus]

I know its the first UU I'm modding

You'll give them a Hwacha?

 

[Louis XXIV]

what weird is that the Iroquois rose to great power due to guns, if the Americans lost the Revolutionary War (obviously the American one) the Iroquois would probably have stretched from upstate New York to the Pacific

While absolutely true, I understand why they wouldn't do this.

There are two reasons (or one reason in two parts, not sure). First off, popular conception of native americans depicts them with pre-contact weaponry (bows and clubs mostly, although some groups were proficient with tomahawks). Second (or the reason for the popular idea of the first) is that Indians didn't manufacture their own guns. They had to trade for them. It seems a bit weird to have them be able to build something in game that they couldn't build in real life and promote it as their uu. Certainly, clubs were a commonly used weapon in Iroquois society before they made contact with the Dutch (and, later, the English).

Part of me wants to give them a ua that makes gunpowder units cheaper if the Iroquois have access to fur, but that seems to obscure a reference for a general audience.

 

[pi-r8]

Even if the graphic doesn't show guns, it could still be a musketman replacement. Like the "Oromo warrior" was a musketman replacement in Civ 4.

But yeah, I'd bet on it being a resourceless swordsman.

edit: on second thought, there's already 3 UU musketman o.O. so there's probably not a 4th. And the Mohawk Warrior seems to be an ancient era unit.
Since they've already shown iriquois warriors, spearman, and archers, that basically just leaves swordsmen.

 

[dagriggstar]

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Part of me wants to give them a ua that makes gunpowder units cheaper if the Iroquois have access to fur, but that seems to obscure a reference for a general audience.

Or, they could've made their UB gives units a promotion so that they move faster in forests, a UA where when they defeat a gunpowder unit, there is a chance for it to join their side and a musketman replacement UU. That way they get the forest bonus, a gunpowder UU and a UA that means they don't need gunpowder to have gunpowder units...

 

[SuperSmash5]

The Iroquois didn't side with the French. The Huron and the Algonquin did.

I agree that the Mohawk warrior would've been a better replacement for the musketman...... are we sure it's not? Did it say somewhere that it's a classical (ancient, w/e) age unit?

 

[Venereus]

Actually, the mohawk was in vogue during the late 20th century.

Exhibit A:

Spoiler :

 

[AriochIV]

I agree that the Mohawk warrior would've been a better replacement for the musketman...... are we sure it's not? Did it say somewhere that it's a classical (ancient, w/e) age unit?

Yes, it's listed in the Civilopedia in the Classical era.

 

[say1988]

what weird is that the Iroquois rose to great power due to guns, if the Americans lost the Revolutionary War (obviously the American one) the Iroquois would probably have stretched from upstate New York to the Pacific

The Iroquois were a significant power in the area before recieving European weapons, though that was their decisive advantage over the Hurons. As for the altter part, not the remotest possibility, they weren't that large or have any huge advantage agasinst all the other groups they would have to pass through. And they still have all the British colonies pushing westward.

 

[civ_king]

The Iroquois were a significant power in the area before recieving European weapons, though that was their decisive advantage over the Hurons. As for the altter part, not the remotest possibility, they weren't that large or have any huge advantage agasinst all the other groups they would have to pass through. And they still have all the British colonies pushing westward.

yes, they were already powerful, however guns made them into an empire

 

[JonoLith]

Well the Iroquois already have a special ability that makes them move quickly through forested areas, so that would be pointless to put on them again.

I'll be flat out blow away if they don't get some kind of awesome bonus in forested areas though. It really seems like they're trying to make the Iroquois the early marauders, and I hope that doesn't wane.