MoraI foundations test, by Johnathan Haidt

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Seeing that CFF consists largely of history buffs and people who are more interested in culture than the average joe, it has made me curious to see where you guys are politically speaking (and psychologically):

"Moral Foundations Theory, developed by psychologists Jonathan Haidt and Craig Joseph, suggests that there are innate and universal psychological foundations underlying human morality. According to the theory, people's moral judgments are based on six primary foundations. In this test, you will be presented with a statement, and then will answer with your opinion on the statement from a range of Strongly Agree to Strongly Disagree, with each answer slightly effecting your scores. Your final scores will be shown as a percentage for each foundation."

I don't put too much faith in the legitimacy of the test, as I don't with any personality or political test for that matter. Either way, here is my results (along with the link):
 

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man some of these questions felt like they had weird assumptions baked in. like,
9. It is decadent to purchase something purely on the basis of its luxury status or trendiness.
does this mean "decadent (bad)"? "decadent (good)"? "decadent (no moral statement)"? i answered as if it was the first (and therefore said "disagree") but like. i dont think decadence is morally bad? its just that usually decadence comes at the expense of something else which does carry moral weight but. i dont think thats a definitional requirement for something to be decadent if i understand the term right
29. It is a sign of a deeply flawed society when someone can inherit a large sum of wealth or power without having to work for it themselves, while others inherit little to nothing.
so this question is asking if i am against the inheritance of like dragon's hordes of money/wealth/power, but the problem is that its got a built in assumption that the alternative to that is pure meritocracy when like. i think that some amount of inheritance is good, theres a further amount thats bad, and the ideal situation is where no one has "little to nothing" cos theres like UBI etc, no one can really inherit power but people can pass down wealth thru a family just not. so large an amount that its a problem. but idk what the question even means by "large sum"? where does that fall relative to the line that i personally draw for whether a sum is "too large". i think i answered "slightly agree"? but i dont remember
32. The primary goal of governments should be to prioritize the interests of their own nation and those who currently live in it, rather than pursue the wellbeing of humanity at large.
Ok so we start by talking about governments and then we assume that nations are necessarily involved when like. i personally believe the most moral world is one that does have governments and yet does not have nations. and often times the interests of the nation are in conflict with the people who live within the borders it enforces. so yeah thats also throwing off the analysis. i think i answered slightly agree but mostly i think its a case by case thing, the more important thing is how much "wellbeing" you're providing rather than who you're providing it to.

as a rule i dont put too much stock in these kinds of tests but i did get the result i thought i would so thats cool i guess
 

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Divinity and spiritualism held to be the same thing, and the opposite of atheism.
 
Some of the questions made assumptions that meant I could support both or neither. In many cases I kept thinking, "but it depends on your definition of _______" for me to be able to give an accurate response to this."

Oh, well. Here are my results:

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I know where this got me right and wrong. I'm curious if anyone would agree or disagree, based on what you know of me from the forum, email conversations, or the odd interaction we might have had on other sites.
 
My avatar and sig says where I'm at currently. I love physics and computer science technology but when it comes to history and civilization compassion and empathy must always come first. Humans need more humanity.
 
There are a few that I had to scratch my head on:

13. A society rife with divinity (belief in religion and/or spirituality) is preferable to an atheistic one.
I ended up going for no opinion since I side with a secular state (separation of church and state).

17. There are certain punishments that are so cruel and violent, that even the most evil and dangerous individuals do not deserve them.
This one I have quite a delema since I reserve the death penalty for murderers, et even they shouln't be subjected to cruel and inhumane

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CARE: █████████████ 67
FAIR: ███████████████ 73
LBTY: ████████████ 62
INGR: ████████████████ 78
PURE: ████████████ 58
AUTH: ██████████ 48


oh yeah
 
Overall: 85/92/60/23/15/21

About what I would've expected based on the category names.

There's a few that have me pondering:

People should be rewarded proportional to how hard they work and/or how much they contribute, with little being given to those who are fully capable of work and refuse the opportunity to do so.

I feel that the general gist of this question is meant to be focused on the second part, about giving little to those who don't work, in which case I'm leaning towards somewhat disagreeing (those who don't work shouldn't be massively rewarded, but they should have enough to live on), but when looking at the first part, I agree when looking at the upper end of rewards: management and owners of companies don't work orders of magnitudes harder than their employees, so they shouldn't be rewarded orders of magnitude more

Mentally-sound adults should have the legal right to do what they want to their own bodies, even when it may be detrimental to their health. (This includes both using recreational drugs, as well as refusing vaccination).

Vaccination and drugs are very different. The latter harms the individual, the former protects society. Putting them together here makes me disagree with the statement - my position is more like: mentally-sound adults should have the legal right to do what they want to their own bodies even when it may be detrimental to their health provided it does not put others at risk of harm.
 
I'm somehow unsurprised by how one category is well above the others.
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Agreed with PhroX, and one of my own to add to the list of ". . . huh":
Even during times of crisis such as wars or pandemics, citizens should never be denied the right to nonviolently assemble and protest in public spaces.
Wars are not pandemics. The shuttering of public spaces to limit the spread of an airborne disease is not the same as putting restrictions on voicing dissent against / in support of an invasion or the like. This is very much a pattern of putting things that might seem superficially similar together, when in reality the actual impact and consequence value judgement is vastly different.

(I still slightly agreed with the principle, but the problem when it comes to something like a pandemic is those actions have very real consequences for people that aren't just you)

Anyhow, unsurprising regardless, though interesting that fairness came out so much higher than care:

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Also, Valka already helpfully provided screenshots of the explanations, but just to aid text readers, here's a text dump:

Spoiler Explanation of categories :
Moral Foundations Theory, developed by psychologists Jonathan Haidt and Craig Joseph, suggests that there are innate and universal psychological foundations underlying human morality:

The CARE foundation is defined by a desire to minimize the suffering of others.
Those who score highly in it are more likely to value tolerance, pacifism, generosity, and mercy.
Care is one of the more commonly held foundations, but happens to be particularly strong among Social Progressives and Cosmpolitans.

The FAIRNESS foundation is defined by a desire for people to be held accountable for their actions in an equal playing field.
Those who score highly in it are more likely to value equality, justice, reciprocity, integrity, and honesty.
Fairness is the most omnipresent foundation, with the vast majority of people scoring highly in it, but happens to be particularly strong among Socialists and Left Liberals (Social Democrats).

The LIBERTY foundation is defined by a desire for people to have agency over their lives without outside coercion.
Those who score highly in it are more likely to value autonomy, privacy, free speech, and voluntarism.
Anarchists, Libertarians and Classic Liberals usually score highest in this category.

The INGROUP-LOYALTY foundation is defined by a desire for members of one's "natural" ingroups (such as their family, tribe, or nation) to forego their personal aspirations and sympathies towards external causes in order to benefit the group. Those who score more highly in it are more likely to value self-sacrifice, national sovreignty, preservation of culture, strength, and patriotism.
Nationalists and Identitarians usually score highest in this category.

The PURITY foundation is defined by a desire to uphold a standard of "high society" and avoid behavior that is percieved as primitive, degenerate, or spiritually degrading.
Those who score highly in it are more likely to value cleanliness, beauty, etiquette, abstinence, chastity, frugality, and spirituality.
Social Conservatives usually score highest in this category, especially those with a religious background.

The AUTHORITY foundation is defined by a desire to achieve stability through a structured social order, and deference to the rules, authorities, and institutions within said order.
Those who score highly in it are more likely to value order, duty, rule of law, discipline, and merit
Social Conservatives usually score highest in this category.
 
I guess this is the same as the IRD labs one with ingroup as loyalty? I did that before, and I do not care about anything apparently. I also think the questions are rubbish, but cannot remember the details. I suspect that people generally are really bad at seeing where their context drives how they read questions like this.
Spoiler Mine for what it is worth :


My question before is what is it supposed to mean that all my values are lower than some people? What is the mean value supposed to represent? How overall moral you are?
 
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We had a thread on this a few years back (it probably appears in your "Similar Treads").

I'm not opposed to having it again. What I was intrigued by in the previous case was that there was a conservative poster who indicated that these categories represented for him the best way he'd found of communicating how it is conservatism differs from liberalism. Seemed to me a promising way to talk across our usual divides.
 
So since I took that in 2022 they have published a new version of this. Just looking at the pictures these are some things that strike me about it:

Around the world needs a map, though I am not sure how to do it
Spoiler They think it does not vary much around the world :


But it does by religion
Spoiler Endorsement of Moral Foundations Across Religious Affiliations :


And they think your answers predict other beliefs
Spoiler The Incremental Validity of MFQ-2 in Predicting External Measures :


They also think they can tell how different countries think, or something
Spoiler Higher Order Networks Displaying the EGA-Identified Dimensions :


Spoiler Questions :
For each of the statements below, please indicate how well each statement describes you or your opinions. Response options: Does not describe me at all (1); slightly describes me (2); moderately describes me (3); describes me fairly well (4); and describes me extremely well (5).

1. Caring for people who have suffered is an important virtue.

2. The world would be a better place if everyone made the same amount of money.

3. I think people who are more hardworking should end up with more money.

4. I think children should be taught to be loyal to their country.

5. I think it is important for societies to cherish their traditional values.

6. I think the human body should be treated like a temple, housing something sacred within.

7. I believe that compassion for those who are suffering is one of the most crucial virtues.

8. Our society would have fewer problems if people had the same income.

9. I think people should be rewarded in proportion to what they contribute.

10. It upsets me when people have no loyalty to their country.

11. I feel that most traditions serve a valuable function in keeping society orderly.

12. I believe chastity is an important virtue.

13. We should all care for people who are in emotional pain.

14. I believe that everyone should be given the same quantity of resources in life.

15. The effort a worker puts into a job ought to be reflected in the size of a raise they receive.

16. Everyone should love their own community.

17. I think obedience to parents is an important virtue.

18. It upsets me when people use foul language like it is nothing.

19. I am empathetic toward those people who have suffered in their lives.

20. I believe it would be ideal if everyone in society wound up with roughly the same amount of money.

21. It makes me happy when people are recognized on their merits.

22. Everyone should defend their country, if called upon.

23. We all need to learn from our elders.

24. If I found out that an acquaintance had an unusual but harmless sexual fetish I would feel uneasy about them.

25. Everyone should try to comfort people who are going through something hard.

26. When people work together toward a common goal, they should share the rewards equally, even if some worked harder on it.

27. In a fair society, those who work hard should live with higher standards of living.

28. Everyone should feel proud when a person in their community wins in an international competition.

29. I believe that one of the most important values to teach children is to have respect for authority.

30. People should try to use natural medicines rather than chemically identical human-made ones.

31. It pains me when I see someone ignoring the needs of another human being.

32. I get upset when some people have a lot more money than others in my country.

33. I feel good when I see cheaters get caught and punished.

34. I believe the strength of a sports team comes from the loyalty of its members to each other.

35. I think having a strong leader is good for society.

36. I admire people who keep their virginity until marriage.

Scoring: Average each of the following items to get six scores corresponding with the six foundations.
Care = 1, 7, 13, 19, 25, and 31
Equality = 2, 8, 14, 20, 26, and 32
Proportionality = 3, 9, 15, 21, 27, and 33
Loyalty = 4, 10, 16, 22, 28, and 34
Authority = 5, 11, 17, 23, 29, and 35
Purity = 6, 12, 18, 24, 30, and 36
 
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About what I thought
Care 96
Fairness 92
Liberty 94
In-Group 54
Purity 96
Authority 48

I tend to be of the mind that certain actions are immoral but also permissible, as difficult as it is for the modern political climate to understand that concept. Public shaming to me tends to have a higher success rate than police states...
 
as difficult as it is for the modern political climate to understand that concept.
We've never been good at that. "Actively hostile to the idea" would be more accurate, if I had to guess.
 
I haven't taken the test yet, but based on the descriptions posted above, I predict that I'll lean strongly towards Care and Fairness; with a balance of Liberty and Authority; and almost no value placed on Ingroup-Loyalty or Purity. We'll see.

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so this question is asking if i am against the inheritance of like dragon's hordes of money/wealth/power, but the problem is that its got a built in assumption that the alternative to that is pure meritocracy when like. i think that some amount of inheritance is good, theres a further amount thats bad, and the ideal situation is where no one has "little to nothing" cos theres like UBI etc, no one can really inherit power but people can pass down wealth thru a family just not. so large an amount that its a problem. but idk what the question even means by "large sum"? where does that fall relative to the line that i personally draw for whether a sum is "too large". i think i answered "slightly agree"? but i dont remember
I take the question to be about balancing the extremes, whether there's a "healthy middle" or not. e.g. 'as long as there are people with nothing, should there be people who have a tremendous amount'?

Ok so we start by talking about governments and then we assume that nations are necessarily involved when like. i personally believe the most moral world is one that does have governments and yet does not have nations. and often times the interests of the nation are in conflict with the people who live within the borders it enforces. so yeah thats also throwing off the analysis.
I think I have to understand this question by putting an emphasis on the word "and": '[...]prioritize the interests of their own nation and those who currently live in it.' That at least eliminates the governments who pursue what they perceive as the nation's interests without regard for the people who live there, and also those who view the population as serving the interests of the state/nation and not the other way around. Then the question boils down to whether good government takes a global view or a nationalistic one.

I ended up going for no opinion since I side with a secular state (separation of church and state).
Sometimes it seems like they're talking about culture, and sometimes about governance.

This one I have quite a delema since I reserve the death penalty for murderers, et even they shouln't be subjected to cruel and inhumane
That one seems almost like a binary question to see if we're psychopaths. "Yes, there are things that would be going too far." or "No, there is no punishment I would consider too extreme."

Vaccination and drugs are very different. The latter harms the individual, the former protects society. Putting them together here makes me disagree with the statement - my position is more like: mentally-sound adults should have the legal right to do what they want to their own bodies even when it may be detrimental to their health provided it does not put others at risk of harm.
Wars are not pandemics. The shuttering of public spaces to limit the spread of an airborne disease is not the same as putting restrictions on voicing dissent against / in support of an invasion or the like. This is very much a pattern of putting things that might seem superficially similar together, when in reality the actual impact and consequence value judgement is vastly different.
I think I have to interpret these questions as being about uncompromising individual liberty, at the expense of other considerations. If a question lumps two things together, then the question is asking whether I accept both of those things, not one or the other. That's how I feel I have to understand it, at any rate. If one of the two things seems to push harder against individual liberty (or freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to petition the government - whatever I think the crux of the question is), then that's the one the question is really interested in, and the one I ought to think hardest about. imho.
 
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