More Israel Soldiers Kidnapped, Israel enters Lebanon

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Hezbollah kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers, and Israel has responded by entering lebanon.

This is rapidly getting out of control. I fully support Israel in this matter, but I don't understand how Hezbollah stands to benefit from this - Israel won't give into their demands (prisoner exchange), and all that will happen is a good old fashioned butt kicking.

thoughts?
 
Israel's founding was based on racisim and bigotry. This retaliation is in response to that.
 
All I can say is that I accept every action Palestinians take aganst Israelis, military or civilian alike. I don't encourage it, but I believe it is justified.
 
The invasion of another country does not deserve "full support" by anyone.

Was it not for the obsession of some people in the Usa, with anything that has to do with Israel, it is pretty much certain that by now the healthier elements in israelite society would hve prevented any such escalations from happening.

The Eu should become more independant and threaten Israel with sanctions, since i do not see any other way of helping the situation.
 
no good can come of this. mistakes have been made on both sides and it will lead to a very, very bad place for all concerned
 
naziassbandit said:
All I can say is that I accept every action Palestinians take aganst Israelis, military or civilian alike. I don't encourage it, but I believe it is justified.

Every action? Specifically targetting buses with schoolchildren and markets with civilians is acceptable?

Even if I don't support the Palestinian side of this issue, I could respect their right to rebel/fight whatever you want to call it against Israel if they targetted military personnel or strategic targets only. Purposely targetting innocents just to spill blood? No, barbaric any way you slice it.
 
VRWCAgent said:
Every action? Specifically targetting buses with schoolchildren and markets with civilians is acceptable?

Even if I don't support the Palestinian side of this issue, I could respect their right to rebel/fight whatever you want to call it against Israel if they targetted military personnel or strategic targets only. Purposely targetting innocents just to spill blood? No, barbaric any way you slice it.
Exactly. The Palestinians would have more friends should they stop targeting civilians.
 
Hezbollah and Hamas need to be met and dealt with in the same fashion - a permanent one.
 
VRWCagent, you (and others) should see the obvious:

If army X does not have the ability to only attack military targets, and it has the need to cause damage to any sort of target of its enemies, then it will have to choose less guarded targets.
It is obvious that if the arab militia could pose a similar threat to Israel if they were only choosing military targets, then they would do just that.
You are claiming that they should, nevertheless, not target anything else, because it is "immoral" etc, but in this way they would just break-up and become insignificant.

Granted, those militia groups have become more institutionalised than they should have been, but the reason was the Israeli violence against the Palestinian population.
It is beyond any reason to call them terrorists just due to their methods. They would have been even more suicidal if they were to only target israeli military, since chances are that then they would have a very low success rate in their campaigns.
Instead of blindly supporting the state of Israel, you should realise that it has failed utterly in providing a viable peace plan, the effects of which can be seen to this day.

I fear that the general false ideas about Israel (which have much to do with the primitive religiousness in the Usa btw) are what largely prevents a more constructive stance by the US government in the issue.
It is obvious that not all people in Israel are in favour of the current government's actions. Moreover the more sensible (and less religious) parts of the population are very tired of what they have to still face, and do not simplistically accuse the arabs for it.

Now, instead of sticking to unrealistic claims that the arab militias should not attack civilians (which is like claiming that a soldier armed with a rifle should choose to attack not a convoy of civilians, but a horde of tanks) you should have a closer look at the situation, so that you might in the future be more helpfull in resovling it as well.
 
varwnos said:
The invasion of another country does not deserve "full support" by anyone.

Was it not for the obsession of some people in the Usa, with anything that has to do with Israel, it is pretty much certain that by now the healthier elements in israelite society would hve prevented any such escalations from happening.

The Eu should become more independant and threaten Israel with sanctions, since i do not see any other way of helping the situation.

I think that hostile activities - such as killing 3 soldiers, kiddanping 2 soldiers, launching dozens of missles at civilian population from a sovereign state is a declaration of war. What we do is protecting ourselves, and I can't see why you cant see that.
 
You should have in mind the longterm effects of an invasion. Lebanon's relations with Israel are already very bad. Ofcourse Lebanon is a puppet state, but given the past between Israel and it (like the Sharon Massacres) Israel should have been a lot more willing to show that it has the urge to improve relations.
Unless you plan to forever keep Israel as a fortress in the edge of the middle east, you should really change your views towards the neighbouring countries, nomatter their hostility.
 
VRWCAgent said:
Every action? Specifically targetting buses with schoolchildren and markets with civilians is acceptable?

Even if I don't support the Palestinian side of this issue, I could respect their right to rebel/fight whatever you want to call it against Israel if they targetted military personnel or strategic targets only. Purposely targetting innocents just to spill blood? No, barbaric any way you slice it.
It is a difficult one. I for one feel it is hard to totally condem these actions.

The closest situation I can imagine myself in to theirs is if germany had occupied the UK during WW2 and was taking a large part of it and resettling ethnic germans there (as presumably was the plan in Russia). I do not think I would target civilians, but I would find it hard to condem people who had the guts to do so.
 
varwnos / Samson / etc.
All you say can be discarded by one little thing:
Israel wasn't the one that started the war in 1948.
All we have now - is the DIRECT result of what the Arabs did THEN.
So the Pals were never defending themselves because they STARTED the whole mess and never stopped it!
Face it and digest - or you'll stay stupid as you are.
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I fully support Israel in this matter, but I don't understand how Hezbollah stands to benefit from this - Israel won't give into their demands (prisoner exchange), and all that will happen is a good old fashioned butt kicking.
Understand, then, that Israel cannot be defeated in conventional combat. The IDF stands astride the region like a Colossus. No Arab army or combination of Arab armies can threaten that dominance, and everyone knows it.

Try to put yourself in Hezbollah's shoes. How do you beat an enemy who utterly dominates the battlefield?
 
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And free their soldiers!
 
well, with approximately 50K palestinian detainees (include woman and children) in Israeli jails, it is quite hard to explain palestinian "don´t kidnap IDF soidlers, they are your friends"....

regarding to rocket assault and kidnaping, we can see very clear illustration of "Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi" ...

(greetings to UN)
 
Classic picture there, Godwynn!

The measures the Arabs have taken due to their inability to beat Israel in a conventional conflict are understandable on the level of strategy. This has no impact on their righteousness nor morality. One could put oneself in the shoes of Al Qaeda, the Nazis or the IJA, but that does not mean a single iota in terms of supporting or tacitly condoning their actions.

Therefore, finish the job in Lebanon and Gaza, and then set borders in a more fitting fashion.
 
Civ2, from all your posts you present an image of a very smallminded nationalistic jew. Your post has been reported.
Moderator Action: Just the report, thank-you.
 
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