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[gay_Aleks]

Actually, there's a period before Renaissance (and, specifically, Volunteer Army and Interventionism), where waging a long war can be a pain in the ass. Then again, I was playing with Flexible Difficulty, but in any case, the unhappiness rose so badly I lost 2-3 pops in several cities.

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

Easy solution, raise the culture rate, and actually take some cities.

Build a theater/ Arena etc

 

[gay_Aleks]

It's a habit of running 100% slider no matter what...can't shake it off.

 

[<Nexus>]

Actually, there's a period before Renaissance (and, specifically, Volunteer Army and Interventionism), where waging a long war can be a pain in the ass. Then again, I was playing with Flexible Difficulty, but in any case, the unhappiness rose so badly I lost 2-3 pops in several cities.

Can you recall what civics where you using at that time?
THX!

 

[gay_Aleks]

Let's see...Monarchy/Bureaucracy/Coinage/Mercenaries/Public Works (or Church, doesn't matter)/Imperium

Then again, I think it may be related due to my cities balooning in population quite fast/and I was spreading fairly quickly. Of course, I had REV on, but I don't think that influenced anything in this case.

 

[<Nexus>]

So here is my spread sheet. The last 5 columns show the best and worst possible combos now, my planned changes, and again the best and worst possible combos with my planned changes.

Civic Building special best worst PLAN best worst

CIVIC_DESPOTISM -20
DICTATOR_MONUMENT -25 Despotism or Junta
SECRET_POLICE -20 NW, Despotism -65 -65
CIVIC_HEREDITARY_RULE
ROYAL_MONUMENT -15 Monarchy
CIVIC_DEMOCRACY 25
POLLING_PLACE (District Office) 25 Democracy 25
VOTING_LINK 0 Democracy 50 100

CIVIC_JUNTA -15
INTERROGATION_BUILDING -25 Single Party or Junta
CIVIC_TECHNOCRACY
THINK_TANK -10 Technocracy
AI_SURVEILLANCE -30 Technocracy -40 -40

CIVIC_FOLKLORE -20
CIVIC_DIVINE_RULE -25
CIVIC_INTOLERANT -50
REVIVALIST_CHURCH -10 Intolerant -60 -60

CIVIC_PARADISE 100 100

CIVIC_CONSCRIPTION1 100 100 100
CIVIC_MERCENARIES -25
CIVIC_VOLUNTEER_ARMY -50
CIVIC_TERROR -100 extreme
CIVIC_UNMANNED_WARFARE -50 -50 -50

CIVIC_INTERVENTIONISM -50 -50 -25 -25

CIVIC_CITYSTATES 50 50 50

CIVIC_CHRONICLES
CHRONICLER -10 Chronicles
CIVIC_RELIGIOUS_CENSORSHIP -20
HOLY_OFFICE -30 Relig. Censor.
CIVIC_POLITICAL_CENSORSHIP -50
CIVIC_PERSONALITY_CULT -90 -75
PROPAGANDA_NET -25 NW, Pers.Cult or Pol.Censor -115 -100
CIVIC_MAINSTREAM_MEDIA 50 50 50

CIVIC_BELLIGERENCE -25 -25 -25
CIVIC_PACIFISM 25 25 25
PEACE_MOVEMENT 5 +5/cities
CIVIC_MOBILIZATION 15

War weariness from civics and civic buildings: -405 250 -265 325

OTHER BUILDINGS

<iWarWearinessModifier> now special PLAN best worst
BAZAAR upg. to Shopping Dist. 15
MARKET upg. to Shopping Dist. 20
GROCER upg. to Supermarket 10
SHOPPING_DISTRICT upg. to Hypermarket 30
SUPERMARKET upg. to Hypermarket 15
HYPERMARKET 25 40 40

JAIL -25 upg. to Cryo.Prison -25
CRYOGENIC_PRISON -50 -50 -50

TOWNWATCH (Watchtower) 0 upg. to Police St. 0
POLICE_STATION -25 0

NATIONAL_SECURITY (S. Bureau) 0 upg. to S. Center 0
SECURITY_CENTER -25 0

PRESS_AGENCY -10 upg. to TV Station 0
TV_STATION -20 0

RIVER_PORT Harbor line 5
HARBOR Harbor line 10
PORT Harbor line 15
COMMERCIAL_PORT Harbor line 20
INTERNATIONAL_PORT Harbor line 25 25

MEETING_HALL (Tavern) Tavern line 10
HOTEL Tavern line 25
VACATION_RESORT Tavern line 50 50

BANK upg. to E-Bank 30
E_BANK 30 30



STATUE_OF_CHAMPION -50 NW (Just 1 city) -50
TOURNAMENT -50 NW (Just 1 city) -50

War weariness from regular buildings Total: -50 145

So if you build everything in a city you will get 145-50= +95 War Not counting Statue of the Champion and Tournament, that are both National Wonders and are limited to a single city.

And there are the buildings with <iGlobalWarWearinessModifier> affecting all your cities:

SAGAS -25 Asatru, WW
MT_RUSHMORE -25 NW
POTALA_PALACE -25 Buddhism, WW
SUFFRAGE -25 WW
WORLD_NEWS_NETWORK -10 WW

All of them are WW except for Mt. Rusmore, but I want to turn that to a WW to and strengthen it by giving +1 for magisters.
From World News Network I wanna remove the war bonus.

Opinions?

 

[GreedyManul]

So here is my spread sheet. The last 5 columns show the best and worst possible combos now, my planned changes, and again the best and worst possible combos with my planned changes.

*snip*

All of them are WW except for Mt. Rusmore, but I want to turn that to a WW to and strengthen it by giving +1 for magisters.
From World News Network I wanna remove the war bonus.

Opinions?

Interesting stuff. Table's a bit hard to read, however...

Still, I'd be game for those changes, as they'd make war weariness more of a challenge and less of a joke.

 

[<Nexus>]

Interesting stuff. Table's a bit hard to read

I know. In my excel sheet it has colors.
View attachment War weariness.rar

But I just realized that I wanted to change more things (Economy, Welfare and Labor civics). So more to come...

 

[<Nexus>]

So here are my newer calculations:

Civic Building special best worst PLAN best worst

CIVIC_DESPOTISM -20
DICTATOR_MONUMENT -25 Despotism or Junta
SECRET_POLICE -20 NW, Despotism -65 -65
CIVIC_HEREDITARY_RULE
ROYAL_MONUMENT -15 Monarchy
CIVIC_DEMOCRACY 25
POLLING_PLACE (District Office) 25 Democracy 25
VOTING_LINK 0 Democracy 50 100

CIVIC_JUNTA -15
INTERROGATION_BUILDING -25 Single Party or Junta
CIVIC_TECHNOCRACY
THINK_TANK -10 Technocracy
AI_SURVEILLANCE -30 Technocracy -40 -40

CIVIC_MERCANTILISM 10
CIVIC_LAISSEZ_FAIRE (Free M.) 25
FREE_PORT Free Market 25
CIVIC_PLANNED -20 -20
CIVIC_CORPORATIST 25
CIVIC_KEYNESIAN (Regulated) 10
CIVIC_ENVIRONMENTALISM (Green) 50 50

CIVIC_FOLKLORE -20
CIVIC_DIVINE_RULE -25
CIVIC_INTOLERANT -50
REVIVALIST_CHURCH -10 Intolerant -60 -60

CIVIC_PARADISE 100 100

CIVIC_CONSCRIPTION1 100 100 100
CIVIC_MERCENARIES -25
CIVIC_VOLUNTEER_ARMY -50
CIVIC_TERROR -100 extreme
CIVIC_UNMANNED_WARFARE -50 -50 -50

CIVIC_ISOLATIONISM 50 50
CIVIC_INTERVENTIONISM -50 -50 -25 -25

CIVIC_CITYSTATES 50 50 50

CIVIC_SLAVERY -25 -25
CIVIC_EMANCIPATION 25 25

CIVIC_CHRONICLES
CHRONICLER -10 Chronicles
CIVIC_RELIGIOUS_CENSORSHIP -20
HOLY_OFFICE -30 Relig. Censor.
CIVIC_POLITICAL_CENSORSHIP -50
CIVIC_PERSONALITY_CULT -90 -75
PROPAGANDA_NET -25 NW, Pers.Cult or Pol.Censor -115 -100
CIVIC_MAINSTREAM_MEDIA 50 50 50

CIVIC_BELLIGERENCE -25 -25 -25
CIVIC_PACIFISM 25 25 25
PEACE_MOVEMENT 5 +5/cities
CIVIC_MOBILIZATION 15

War weariness from civics and civic buildings: -405 250 -310 450

And the excel sheet: View attachment War weariness.rar

My goal in design was to force players to chose between war attempts or economical growth. I know, that it's still possible to go completely neglect war, but you should pay the price of that elsewhere.

 

[Vokarya]

Could we include the Hive civic in the AND core? I really like the idea and I think we should have more new civic choices in the Modern and Transhuman Eras. The AND core has 59 civics not counting defaults, but there are only 4 Modern civics (Green, MAD, Technocracy, Unmanned Warfare) and 4 Transhuman (Paradise, Post-Scarcity, Superhuman, Virtual). Every other era has at least as many as these two combined. I'd like to add a few more to balance this out.

 

[black213]

Shouldn't you make a seperate thread for Chronicles? Looking for a download link through all these posts was a hassle, as well as getting to know about the mod in the first place.

 

[<Nexus>]

Could we include the Hive civic in the AND core? I really like the idea and I think we should have more new civic choices in the Modern and Transhuman Eras. The AND core has 59 civics not counting defaults, but there are only 4 Modern civics (Green, MAD, Technocracy, Unmanned Warfare) and 4 Transhuman (Paradise, Post-Scarcity, Superhuman, Virtual). Every other era has at least as many as these two combined. I'd like to add a few more to balance this out.

Sure!
You can use it as it is or change whatever you want, it's up to you.
But THX for asking

Just a side note:
Currently I use it to replace/disable Virtual civic.
I don't like Virtual for too reasons:
1) It doesn't really fit to the Rule category, rather Government, since it is just a better form of democracy. However Government already has 3 democratic choices.
2) There are already enough civics in Rule category.

 

[<Nexus>]

Shouldn't you make a seperate thread for Chronicles? Looking for a download link through all these posts was a hassle, as well as getting to know about the mod in the first place.

Yes, I should... and will... just been too busy/lazy to do so yet...

 

[GreedyManul]

Just a side note:
Currently I use it to replace/disable Virtual civic.
I don't like Virtual for too reasons:
1) It doesn't really fit to the Rule category, rather Government, since it is just a better form of democracy. However Government already has 3 democratic choices.
2) There are already enough civics in Rule category.

I second Zeta Nexus' decision on that.

Virtual makes no sense, as it's essentially republic 2.0 with an infinite city sprawl-encouraging building that makes Republic stupidly OP. Personally, I moved Voting Link to Republic/Democracy, made it provide 1 happiness/+25% maintenance/+25% war weariness iirc, with the added requirements being at least 3 computer networks (like the info net) and the agora/district office as an added requirement.

 

[black213]

Could any kind soul investigate my CTD?

Revision 1027; modules used are all Chronicles modules, all MCP modules as well as the music module.
Attachment includes a save file where proceeding to the next turn causes the crash, as well as its respective dump file.

 

[<Nexus>]

Could any kind soul investigate my CTD?

Revision 1027; modules used are all Chronicles modules, all MCP modules as well as the music module.
Attachment includes a save file where proceeding to the next turn causes the crash, as well as its respective dump file.

I don't think it is related to the modules... I remember 45 asking if anyone experienced CTD with rev1027.

 

[black213]

I don't think it is related to the modules... I remember 45 asking if anyone experienced CTD with rev1027.

I don't know is it just a placebo or not, but after I disabled the stone age module as well as the jewels of the land, I haven't seen any CTDs.
1028 on the other hand was causing plenty of crashes before even getting to the Medieval. So I'm back to 1027.
Or perhaps, can you as the creator of the lovely modules point me to the latest revision that works the best with Chronicles?

 

[45°38'N-13°47'E]

1028 on the other hand was causing plenty of crashes before even getting to the Medieval.

Is it really? I've autoplayed some games with Rev1028 and no crashes both with blitz and normal gamespeed. Were those games started with a different revision or new games from scratch with revision 1028?

 

[black213]

Is it really? I've autoplayed some games with Rev1028 and no crashes both with blitz and normal gamespeed. Were those games started with a different revision or new games from scratch with revision 1028?

They were new games from scratch, and with all Chronicles + MCP modules, as well as the music pack.

 

[<Nexus>]

I started a game long ago - maybe before rev1000 with all modules and Chronicles1.2.
I kept playing and updating AND till 1025 Also updated MCP and Chronicles to 1.3 and never ever had a CTD. I reached the early Industrial.

Before publishing Ch1.2 when experimenting with modular terrain features I had a strange CTD after several turns when I tried to load a save game. The game became un-loadable with Jewels of the Land. Finally I tracked down the guilty features and removed so the game was okay.