Muslim hypocrisy?

[Gelion]

The post by that poster have neither been rude, offensive, disruptive. They might have upset a few people because they want to believe that the West is wrong in there reaction to the Muslims and that the Muslims are justified in there reactions. The problem is that the "Majority" of Muslims do not believe in violence. The problem is that no action = support for the violence. If they really think that these "extremists" are violating there religion, then why have we not heard from them. Why have they have they not protested against those who kill in the name of Allah? These are very important questions that have not been answered by anyone apologising for Muslims. Either answer these questions and show those who are against Islam are wrong, by showing examples of where major protests have been planed against Terroism by Muslims. We really need to be shown this, otherwise our criticisms are just.

I think the reasons for "lack of protest" have been typed in this thread more than one time. I really have no desire to spend my time searhing and re-typing it all in one nice post. I may do that later. If you are really interested please go back and re-read this thread.

 

[zulu9812]

We're dealing with violent people who believe in twisted radical 11th century lifestyles. You're welcome to live in denial.

That's completely wrong. Terrorism is a product of the Enlightenment. Throughout history, there have been groups which fought against the government. But all of those groups have been doing it for someone or something else: a king, a cause, a principle. From Robin Hood to the IRA, it's always been about restoring or creating a nation. But then liberalism came along, and that values the individual. Liberalism tells us that you don't have to obey the state. Terrorism is a product of the espouding of this individualistic philosophy. Whilst warped, it is based on the sense that one does not have to accept your lord's will. Al Queda, much as I dislike them, are a modern organisation - not a medieval one.

 

[classical_hero]

I think the reasons for "lack of protest" have been typed in this thread more than one time. I really have no desire to spend my time searhing and re-typing it all in one nice post. I may do that later. If you are really interested please go back and re-read this thread.

Well then show me your posts then.

 

[Gelion]

Well then show me your posts then.

It wasn't only me, but also Jaws and the Danish guy (Storelax) I began posting here from page 4 I think.

 

[classical_hero]

I have been part of this thread from day one and I have not seen any evidence so far.

 

[LordRahl]

They blame Jews and they post these 'cartoons' that are not just blasphemous but they are insulting to the six million plus Jews who died in the holocaust and they are forgetting that if it were not for the Palestians blowing themselves up in Jewish areas, then there would be any need for retaliation. It has always been the Muslims attacking first and Israel has beeen retaliating to these acts against there country. They are doing what any nation would do under those circumstances.

Don't forget that Hamas always retaliates FIRST.

 

[Jawz II]

Every post you make is a troll. Go back under your bridge! If you are a DL the mods will get you soon, if not you are a sad sad person to want to come to CFC just to troll.

you missed the best parts, its been deleted now, but apparently, Gelions real name is Ahmed.

 

[Jawz II]

Excellent point. It seems that alot of people are ignoring the evidence. The evidence is showing that the majority are silent and thus we just do not know what they believe in, whereas the opinions of those that we do know, are reacting very violently and this is why many of us are so worried. If we saw Muslims show there anger at those who are using their Religion to kill people

how do you kill someone using a religion? like put it in the freezzer so its frozen solid and stab someone with it?

or is it more like a blunt object youd club someone with? also which religion is most effective for murdering people with?

 

[anarres]

classical - do you honestly think "protests" against the west (in the ME) are totally spontaneous and not supported and sanctioned by the states in the ME?

Do you similarly think a "protest against terrorism/fanatical Islam" would be allowed in the ME by these same governments?

You are sorely deluded if you think anti-terrorism protests can happen in the ME as easily as anti-war protests (for example) can happen in the west. And taking that example... wasn't police protection required in the US for these protesters because of the danger to them from extremists who thought of the protestors as trators? Do you think the police/army in the ME will turn up and help run an orderly protest?

If you want condemnation from muslims in the west then OPEN YOUR EYES, because they're doing it all the time, constantly. If you don't go to a mosque and don't know many muslims you won't know will you? If you don't watch muslim tv channels, read muslim papers you won't know. The western press is having a field day stirring this up, only places like the BBC *ever* report the hard work done every day by muslims in the community.

Or maybe you want them to come and grovel at your feet for upsetting you so? How about if they beg for your forgivness personally? Is that good enough for you??

Then will you apologise for the rape of the ME by the western countries for the last 200 years? No? Some would say an apology is due on both sides - yet you seem to be getting a chip on your shoulder about it....

Do you want to guess who's lives are most ****ed up by the west-ME relationship? Well... it's not us in the west and that's for damn sure. But don't let that chip fall, you surely like the weight of it.

 

[Gelion]

you missed the best parts, its been deleted now, but apparently, Gelions real name is Ahmed.

Shhhhhhhh!

 

[anarres]

We're dealing with violent people who believe in twisted radical 11th century lifestyles. You're welcome to live in denial.

Nice way of caricaturing a billion people.

I'm trying to work out which sad idiot you are - my bets are on cierdan but there are many you could be.

I'm just happy you are showing your character for what it is. Carry on with "every muslim is a terrorist" bs posts and we'll all be happy cos its SOOOOOO a troll no-one will touch it.

Moderator Action: Warned for trolling.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Jawz II]

Don't forget that Hamas always retaliates FIRST.

yes, they retaliate an earlier incident which was also an israeli retaliation to something the arabs did, which in turn was a retaliation of.. well you get the picture..

not that it means anything whatsoever, but the first terrorist act in israel was done by jew extremists, they blew up a hotel with a bunch of arabs and brits in it, so what dose that tell you? probably alot, since you brought it up.

it dosent mean anything to me. it means there are sick people on both sides, which i already knew.

also it tells me the extremists should not be allowed to decide for everyone, something you should learn.

 

[Kosez]

I dare to say terrorism and disputes west has with Islamic world will not end so soon. Not solely because of the Islamic world but mostly because West needs an enemy! Whether that be terrorists or muslims on general or Arabs or whoever.

If you look into the history of Europe and USA, when society was starting to have moral issues, institutions allways found some enemies, internal or external (witches and co. at the end of renaissance (they were invented by Church because of voices of enlightment and reason that dare to opose to oxymorons); the Jew danger that was invented by Hitler and co. to help him get thepower; commies in the McCarthy era, ...).

It is just the same today, Bush needs enemies in order to follow his agenda without too much interference from public, Europe needs enemies so political elites can hide their incapabillity and incompetence, Oil sheik's need enemies so they get millitary and political back-up so they can keep their petro-dollars,...

You see, finding an enemy is just a simple way to divert attention. Simple but very effective.

 

[CurtSibling]

Muslim hypocrisy?

Hypocrisy is the trademark of these people.

This latest islamo-tantrum over Dane cartoons is ridiculous.
We are meant to all suspend our freedom to appease these islamists?

Not a damn chance will I ever bow to such religious zombies.

I notice we did not make such a noise when they bombed London's
tube stations or slaughtered thousands of innocent New Yorkers!!!

These muslums should shut up - But we all know the score. The extremists
are stalinist bullies, powered by enforced ill-education and distorted faith.

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[HannibalBarka]

I notice we did not make such a noise when they bombed London's
tube stations or slaughtered thousands of innocent New Yorkers!!!

No, you just invaded two countries killing some 100 000 people. They burned 5 embassies

 

[CurtSibling]

No, you just invaded two countries killing some 100 000 people. They burned 5 embassies

Before you go any further, chum:

When you cause the biggest terror attack of the age, you get what
is coming...And blame the US president, not me for the outcome...

I never supported the Gulf war farce, but if you want to discuss that,
it was a full-scale battle between actual armies, not a direct and pre-
planned salughter of civilians like what your Arabian heroes conducted.

And we both know the cycle of killing from islam goes way back before
2003, 1991, 1948 or even 1500CE......So let us not try and play games.

.

 

[Jawz II]

actually i agree the protesters are a bunch of religious zealots, with more anger than brains. the thing is, these people are extremists and shouldnt be given too much attention. they are the minority, but theyre getting way more attention than the moderate muslim majority.

i didnt see such anger over the invasion of iraq, that i wouldnt have any problems with.

maybe it is as you say the anger over the invasion and other stuff and this cartoon thing was just the last straw, i dont know. but i dont think so.

 

[FlyHard]

Actually when the paper brought them first, there wasn't such a big fuss about them (it's about 6 months ago they were brought the first time). It only happened after a "delegation" of imams living in Denmark went on a tour to the Middle-East to show some cartoons which they claimed were brought in the Dansih newspaper...the only problem here is that they didn't bring the correct cartoons, they brought 3 cartoons which have never been published in any newspaper in Denmark. One of the cartoons were actually a photograph of a man from Southern France with pig's ears and a pig's nose with a slight resemblence to a Muslim. That another one where you see a dog entering a praying muslim from behind...you guess what that should be...
And then they spread rumors that the Koran were being burned in the streets.
All of this is a lie, and now the head of the delegation that went and visited the muslim goverments are going very silent.

I would like to end this as well, by saying that I do not see all muslims as terrorists or fanatics in any way, in fact I believe that only about 5% of the muslims are getting so outraged that they are demonstrating etc.

In Denmark we have 180,000 muslims, but the ones that are being asked all the time, actually only represent about 5,000 of them. Fortunately, a group of moderate muslims are forming a union in Denmark to counter-act the statements of the radical imams.

 

[HannibalBarka]

Before you go any further, chum:
When you cause the biggest terror attack of the age, you get what
is coming...And blame the US president, not me for the outcome...

so don't say "I notice we did not make such a noise ", cause bombs do make a lot of noise

I never supported the Gulf war farce,

Well the US and UK did not really needed your support to make it happen

but if you want to discuss that,
it was a full-scale battle between actual armies, not a direct and pre-
planned salughter of civilians like what your Arabian heroes conducted.

Well first they are not my arabian heroes, and second waging a "full-scale battle" is not what I'd call "we did not make such a noise", that was my point.

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And we both know the cycle of killing from islam goes way back before
2003, 1991, 1948 or even 1500CE......So let us not try and play games.
[/QUOTE]

I ma not playing games, just correcting you

 

[CurtSibling]

so don't say "I notice we did not make such a noise ", cause bombs do make a lot of noise

The American thirst for war does not reflect the entire population of Europe - And you know it.
Germany, France and the majority did not take part in Bush's 2003 war. Most people in the UK did
not support the war on an ethical scale. But do our governments really listen to the citizens...???

Not really.

So, you are talking utter rubbish.

Bombs are what the oil-grabbers dropped, not the massed people of Europe.

But still the islamists want to burn Europe over some cartoons...Not sane.

Besides, did thousands of Europeans go on a mindless rampage and try to kill muslims
after 9/11 or the London tube bombings??? I don't recall that happening, do you?

Well the US and UK did not really needed your support to make it happen

Sure, my influence in the White House has waned a little these days...

Do yourself a favour and give it up while you have the chance to still look semi-sensible.

Well first they are not my arabian heroes, and second waging a "full-scale battle" is not what I'd call "we did not make such a noise", that was my point.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11/2001 anyway.
Did everyone in Europe support the war? You are crazed if you think so.

I, for one, do not advocate war against people whose only 'crime' is to be ruled by a
commie/mafia despot. My main enemy is fundamentalist extremism. If you think I am loyal
to any propaganda from Bush/Blair, then you are, my friend, frankly hallucinating.

I ma not playing games, just correcting you

Hilarious...You had best correct yourself first.

You cannot deny that their protest over some cartoons is much more severe
that the Western people's reaction to terrorist attacks in a time of peace.

Give up.

Your argument is sinking fast.