Name the winning General

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Something different, I'll pick 10 battles from an era, and you must give me the winning general of the battle.

I'll begin with the Napoleonic wars.

1. Valmy 1792
2. Quiberon 1795
3. Lodi 1796
4. Zurich 1799
5. Hohenlinden 1800
6. Austerlitz 1805
7. Auerstadt 1806
8. Baylen 1808
9. Aspern-Essling 1809
10. Valencia 1812

 

[Andu Indorin]

1. Valmy, Kellerman and Dumouriez
2. Quiberon, Hoche
3. Lodi, Napoleon
4. Zurich, 3rd (1799), Massena
5. Hohenlinden, Moreau
6. Austerlitz, Napoleon
7. Aurestadt, Davout
8. Baylen, Castanos (and Redding)
9. Aspern-Essling, Charles
10. Valencia, Wellesley

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

9 out of 10, Andu!

You missed only the last, Valencia, a rare French victory in Spain.

On the 9th of January 1812 Suchet (Virtually the only French officer to return from Spain with his reputation enhanced) defeated a Spanish force led by Blake.

OK, let's change venue to the American Revolution.

1. Ticonderoga 1775
2. Quebec 1775
3. Bunker Hill 1775
4. New York 1776
5. Brandywine 1777
6. Freeman's Farm 1777
7. Monmouth 1778
8. Savannah 1779
9. Charlestown 1780
10. Cowpins 1781

 

[Andu Indorin]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
9 out of 10, Andu!

You missed only the last, Valencia, a rare French victory in Spain.

On the 9th of January 1812 Suchet (Virtually the only French officer to return from Spain with his reputation enhanced) defeated a Spanish force led by Blake.

Mixing up Valencia with Vitoria, Wellington's masterpiece conclusion to his brilliant 1813 campaign.

American Revolution is decidedly tougher for me -- I'd have to look up most of them. I'll just emphasize that while Gates "commanded" during the Saratoga Campaign, credit for the victory at Freeman's Farm and Bemis Height must go to Benedict Arnold. (And Camden was the battle where Gates showed his true colors by riding sixty some miles away from his disasterous defeat, leaving the rest of the American forces in the lurch?)

 

[Yoda Power]

Im not an expert but what about:

1.Sullivan?
2.Some french guy?
3.Dunno but Arnold was defeated
4.William Howe
5.William Howe
6.Gates
7.indecisive
8.Cornwallis? or Campell maybe?
9.Cornwallis
10.Greene

 

[willemvanoranje]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
10. Cowpins 1781

Isn't that the one shown in "the Patriot"? I read an atlas with text on the revolution (bought the book in Williamsburg)....

 

[joespaniel]

Hey, AoA! Youre almost 1 year late responding to this post.

We understand your mod-ly duties must come first, but c'mon now...

 

[joespaniel]

Originally posted by Yoda Power
2.Some french guy?

I know Carleton was the govenor at the time.

 

[napoleon526]

1. Ethan Allen
2. don't know
3. Prescott
4. Howe
5. Howe
6. Gates/Arnold
7. draw (Washington or Clinton)
8. Cornwalis
9. Cornwalis
10. Morgan

Don't know if this will be answered, but what the heck. The only one I have absolutely no clue on is #2, the British commander of Quebec during Arnold and Mongomery's invasion.

 

[napoleon526]

Originally posted by willemvanoranje
Isn't that the one shown in "the Patriot"? I read an atlas with text on the revolution (bought the book in Williamsburg)....

The climactic battle in the movie "The Patriot" is VERY loosely based on Cowpens, with the movie's villian 'Tavington' being based on the British commander, Col. Banastre Tarleton. The movie shows the heroic American Militia valiantly defeating Cornwalis's army, with Mel Gibson's character slaying his enemy.

In actuality, Cornwalis was never defeated in battle until Yorktown, and he wasn't present at the Cowpens battle. Tarleton, leading his own 'British Legion' of loyalists along with other British regulars, attacked the army of Gen. Daniel Morgan. Despite the way it is portrayed in the movie, colonial militia was unreliable, and Morgan's core force consisted of six continental regular infantry companies under the command of Col. John E. Howard. Knowing that the agressive Tarleton would attack, Morgan placed his army in three lines, with the first two made up of militia and the regulars in the third.

Ironically, the American Militia performed in the exact opposite way it is portrayed in the movie. After firing a few volleys, the milita fled, goading the British into an all-out bayonnet charge. By the time the British troops reached the third American line, most were exhausted, and broke when the crack Continental companies fired a few volleys. Howard's men countercharged and the British were routed.

Sorry to lecture, but I happen to have studied this battle extensively, since most of American regular troops and a good portion of the militia were from Maryland, as was Colonel Howard. There's even a statue of him in downtown Baltimore.

 

[willemvanoranje]

but we all know hollywood is fake anyway In that atlas however, it does show that he did send his militia as the first line, and he told his own troops that they were supposed to only fire three shots (the militia), so this time their (continentals) moral wouldnt drop the slightest bit when seeing the militia run for their lives. And about Cornwallis, he was one pitty loser...didn't even come out of his shack to sign the treaty and admit his defeat.

 

[napoleon526]

Originally posted by napoleon526
3. Prescott...

D'oh! I forgot that the Colonists LOST at Bunker Hill! The answer would be Howe, again.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

So, people are now answering a year old quiz.

Joe, I'm not a year late, if you look, Yoda answered a year later.

Now, let's see who got what right:

1. Ticonderoga 1775
(Ethan Allen) napoleon526
Only half right, he had a co-comander, a rather famous one at that.
2. Quebec 1775
No correct answer yet.
3. Bunker Hill 1775
Sorry nappy, Howe was a subordinate here, not yet comander, altough he was i tactical command of the assault, he can't get the credit, it belongs to the Comander-in-chief of the Americas at the time.
4. New York 1776
(William Howe)Yoda Power
5. Brandywine 1777
(William Howe)Yoda Power
6. Freeman's Farm 1777
(Benadict Arnold) Andu Indorin Arnold lost the credit for this for his treasonous behavior later in the revolution, the man given credit, Gates, was a military ignoramous, as he would show later in the war.
7. Monmouth 1778
(Clinton) napoleon526The battle wasn't a draw, Washington tried to destroy the British Rearguard and failed due to the scandalous behavior of General Charles Lee.
8. Savannah 1779
No correct answer yet.
9. Charlestown 1780
No correct answer yet.
(Sorry nap, but in both cases Cornwallis was not the man).
10. Cowpins 1781
(Daniel Morgan) napoleon526

About your comentary on Cowpins, your somewhat incorrect.
Morgan's plan was for his Militia to fire two rounds, and then they were permitted to withdraw (The "old Waggonier" spent the night before the battle telling this to EACH militia company, being an old indian fighter morgan understood the strengths and limitations of militia) behind the 3rd rank, which was tough Continental regulars.
This was carried out perfectly, the second and third ranks were seperated by wooded terrain, seeing this, Tarrelton thought a rout was in progress and tried to persue, but this was EXACTLY what Morgan wanted and expected, and Tarrelton's Legion was cut up badly.
Waiting on the flank was the finest Continental Horsemen, Col William Washington, and this valiant officer nearly killed Tarelton in the engagement, he cut him quite badly in fact.
(This engagement is described beautifully in W.J.Wood's "Battles of the Revolutionary War")

 

[Aphex_Twin]

Name the winning general:

Why AoA of course... ;-)

 

[napoleon526]

3. Bunker Hill 1775
Sorry nappy, Howe was a subordinate here, not yet comander, altough he was i tactical command of the assault, he can't get the credit, it belongs to the Comander-in-chief of the Americas at the time.

Was it Gage? I know he was in command at Boston at the time.

 

[nixon]

As far as I remember, General Prevost was the winning general in the Battle of Savannah, in October 1779.
A lot of interesting men chose to die in that battle; the father of Jefferson Davis and the architect of Washington D.C., and of course Casimir Pulaski.

 

[joespaniel]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
Joe, I'm not a year late, if you look, Yoda answered a year later.

And I was serious too...

2. Quebec 1775
Gen Guy Carleton!!!

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

And we have three correct answers, Guy Carelton for Quebec, Thomas Gage for Bunker Hill, and Augustine Prevost for Savannah.

I guess I need to think up Ten more, Give me a little time, I think the US Civil war is next.

 

[joespaniel]

It took 1 year, but we got it!

Pft! Civil War? We should get that in 6 months or less.

 

[joespaniel]

AoA, this was a good idea for a thread.

Please go ahead, and perhaps someone else could too.