pap1723
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I think that S. Britain should have airfields and radar towers.
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Procifica
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I suggested the scaling down of city sizes so your cities could grow, Paris at size 30 even with all grassland in its 20 surrounding squares, still could starve because of other large cities near it.
The figures I gave you, took Metropolitan populations into account, as I think city populations based on such are more accurate represenations. If it was strictly based on actual city populations, Paris would be BY FAR the largest city in France, as would London be in Great Britain.
Rouen...I was thinking of another city with a similar name apparently. Nancy would probably work better than Metz, if it goes in a similar spot.
Could you do Frankfurt instead of Stuttgart? (meaning will it fit)
Valencia would be a better city for Spain.
Toulouse should be 1 more square east (north or south), while Bordeaux should be a little further south. If they can't be moved cause of other cities, then their current positions are fine.
Your map looks good though, your city placement is excellent overall.
I'll see later if I have time if I can dig up some accurate population figures.
The figures I gave you, took Metropolitan populations into account, as I think city populations based on such are more accurate represenations. If it was strictly based on actual city populations, Paris would be BY FAR the largest city in France, as would London be in Great Britain.
Rouen...I was thinking of another city with a similar name apparently. Nancy would probably work better than Metz, if it goes in a similar spot.
Could you do Frankfurt instead of Stuttgart? (meaning will it fit)
Valencia would be a better city for Spain.
Toulouse should be 1 more square east (north or south), while Bordeaux should be a little further south. If they can't be moved cause of other cities, then their current positions are fine.
Your map looks good though, your city placement is excellent overall.
I'll see later if I have time if I can dig up some accurate population figures.
Yurt
Warlord
I redid all the city sizes. Here is the new setup.
VF-Vichy France; N-Neutral; GER-Germany; ITA-Italy; GB-Great Britain
FRANCE: (total 104)
Paris (GER) 26
Marseilles (VF) 14
Vichy / Lyons (VF) 12
Bordeaux (GER) 12
Toulouse (VF) 10
Nantes (GER) 9
Strasbourg (GER) 7
Orleans (GER) 7
Brest (GER) 5
Corsica (VF) 2
GREAT BRITAIN: (total 78)
London 22
Liverpool / Manchester 16
Birmingham 15
Edinburgh 7
Glasgow 6
Belfast 6
Plymouth 5
Scapa Flow 1
GERMANY: (total 98)
Berlin 20
Hamburg / Kiel 18
Munich 16
Hannover 10
Cologne 10
Dresden 10
Danzig 8
Konigsberg 6
SPAIN: (total 64)
Madrid 22
Barcelona 16
Valencia 12
Oviedo 6
Tangier 6
Mallorca 2
FRENCH NORTH AFRICA (VF): (total 46)
Tunis 14
Casablanca 12
Algiers 12
Agadir 5
Gabes 3
PORTUGAL (N): (total 25)
Lisbon 15
Oporto 10
BELGIUM/HOLLAND/DENMARK (GER): (total 25)
Amsterdam 10
Copenhagen 8
Brussels 7
AUSTRIA/HUNGARY/CZECH (GER): (total 40)
Vienna 15
Budapest 13
Prague 12
POLAND (GER): (total 23)
Warsaw 13
Krakow 10
BALKANS (GER): (total 50)
Bucharest 12
Belgrade 11
Sofia 10
Zagreb 8
Sarajevo 5
Tirana (ITA) 4
GREECE (GER): (total 19)
Athens 10
Crete 5
Salonika 4
FINLAND/NORWAY (GER): (total 30)
Helsinki 7
Oulu 3
Oslo 6
Trondheim 5
Bergen 4
Stavanger 3
Narvik 2
SWEDEN (N): (total 23)
Stockholm 10
Malmo 6
Goteborg 5
Umea 2
GERMAN-OCCUPIED USSR: (total 69)
Kiev 16
Minsk 13
Odessa 12
Riga 8
Smolensk 7
Bryansk 6
OTHER
Bern (N) 7
Gibraltar (GB) 1
Germany's total population so far is 420. I haven't done the population of Russia, Turkey or any other not mentioned places outside of Europe.
Meanwhile, here is a pic of the new version of Germany (Stuttgart was removed, Munich moved).
VF-Vichy France; N-Neutral; GER-Germany; ITA-Italy; GB-Great Britain
FRANCE: (total 104)
Paris (GER) 26
Marseilles (VF) 14
Vichy / Lyons (VF) 12
Bordeaux (GER) 12
Toulouse (VF) 10
Nantes (GER) 9
Strasbourg (GER) 7
Orleans (GER) 7
Brest (GER) 5
Corsica (VF) 2
GREAT BRITAIN: (total 78)
London 22
Liverpool / Manchester 16
Birmingham 15
Edinburgh 7
Glasgow 6
Belfast 6
Plymouth 5
Scapa Flow 1
GERMANY: (total 98)
Berlin 20
Hamburg / Kiel 18
Munich 16
Hannover 10
Cologne 10
Dresden 10
Danzig 8
Konigsberg 6
SPAIN: (total 64)
Madrid 22
Barcelona 16
Valencia 12
Oviedo 6
Tangier 6
Mallorca 2
FRENCH NORTH AFRICA (VF): (total 46)
Tunis 14
Casablanca 12
Algiers 12
Agadir 5
Gabes 3
PORTUGAL (N): (total 25)
Lisbon 15
Oporto 10
BELGIUM/HOLLAND/DENMARK (GER): (total 25)
Amsterdam 10
Copenhagen 8
Brussels 7
AUSTRIA/HUNGARY/CZECH (GER): (total 40)
Vienna 15
Budapest 13
Prague 12
POLAND (GER): (total 23)
Warsaw 13
Krakow 10
BALKANS (GER): (total 50)
Bucharest 12
Belgrade 11
Sofia 10
Zagreb 8
Sarajevo 5
Tirana (ITA) 4
GREECE (GER): (total 19)
Athens 10
Crete 5
Salonika 4
FINLAND/NORWAY (GER): (total 30)
Helsinki 7
Oulu 3
Oslo 6
Trondheim 5
Bergen 4
Stavanger 3
Narvik 2
SWEDEN (N): (total 23)
Stockholm 10
Malmo 6
Goteborg 5
Umea 2
GERMAN-OCCUPIED USSR: (total 69)
Kiev 16
Minsk 13
Odessa 12
Riga 8
Smolensk 7
Bryansk 6
OTHER
Bern (N) 7
Gibraltar (GB) 1
Germany's total population so far is 420. I haven't done the population of Russia, Turkey or any other not mentioned places outside of Europe.
Meanwhile, here is a pic of the new version of Germany (Stuttgart was removed, Munich moved).
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Yurt
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>Rouen...I was thinking of another city with a similar name apparently. Nancy would probably work better than Metz, if it goes in a similar spot.
Reims? Anyway, I put Strasbourg in. There might still be room for one more.
>Could you do Frankfurt instead of Stuttgart? (meaning will it fit)
I don't think it will fit. I had to take out Stuttgart because Munich was misplaced.
>Valencia would be a better city for Spain.
Done.
>Toulouse should be 1 more square east (north or south), while Bordeaux should be a little further south. If they can't be moved cause of other cities, then their current positions are fine.
I wil move Toulous SE and Bordeaux S.
Did you have some suggested stats for the fighters?
And here is the Balkans again:
Reims? Anyway, I put Strasbourg in. There might still be room for one more.
>Could you do Frankfurt instead of Stuttgart? (meaning will it fit)
I don't think it will fit. I had to take out Stuttgart because Munich was misplaced.
>Valencia would be a better city for Spain.
Done.
>Toulouse should be 1 more square east (north or south), while Bordeaux should be a little further south. If they can't be moved cause of other cities, then their current positions are fine.
I wil move Toulous SE and Bordeaux S.
Did you have some suggested stats for the fighters?
And here is the Balkans again:
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Procifica
ACW Scenario Creator
If you're doing it on population of that time period, Germany would be higher than France.
Great Britain would be alot closer to France.
Ditto for Spain.
What about Italy?
Orleans is not that large of a city, it should be maybe size 6 at best.
Birmingham should be smaller, if you're using Liverpool/Manchester as combined. I'd say about size 12 at best.
Edinburgh and Glasgow should be a little larger.
Belfast a little smaller.
Berlin should be the largest city in Germany.
Ok wait, hold on....
London should be the largest city in Europe. (based on your scale, about 28 or 29)
Manchester/Liverpool would then be about size 18 or 19.
Birmingham would then be about 13.
Cologne I'm assuming represents the Ruhr area? It should be the largest city in Germany, as the Ruhr is Germany's largest metro area. (size 22 or so)
Berlin is about right.
Hamburg/Kiel should be a little smaller.
Munich also a little smaller.
Dresden should be a little larger.
Barcelona and Valencia a little smaller.
Tunis a little smaller, Algiers and Casablanca a bit smaller (12/9/9 say).
Lisbon a little smaller, oporto a bit smaller.
Sofia a little smaller, Bucharest a little larger, Belgrade a little larger.
Warsaw a little larger, Krakow a little smaller.
Crete and Salonika a little smaller.
Oslo should be a little larger, Helsinki a little smaller.
Russia looks pretty good, can't see any changes I can suggest with those.
Rheims, by the way, was the city I was thinking of, but its too far northwest of the Metz/Strasbourg area.
Overall, city list looks good.
Great Britain would be alot closer to France.
Ditto for Spain.
What about Italy?
Orleans is not that large of a city, it should be maybe size 6 at best.
Birmingham should be smaller, if you're using Liverpool/Manchester as combined. I'd say about size 12 at best.
Edinburgh and Glasgow should be a little larger.
Belfast a little smaller.
Berlin should be the largest city in Germany.
Ok wait, hold on....
London should be the largest city in Europe. (based on your scale, about 28 or 29)
Manchester/Liverpool would then be about size 18 or 19.
Birmingham would then be about 13.
Cologne I'm assuming represents the Ruhr area? It should be the largest city in Germany, as the Ruhr is Germany's largest metro area. (size 22 or so)
Berlin is about right.
Hamburg/Kiel should be a little smaller.
Munich also a little smaller.
Dresden should be a little larger.
Barcelona and Valencia a little smaller.
Tunis a little smaller, Algiers and Casablanca a bit smaller (12/9/9 say).
Lisbon a little smaller, oporto a bit smaller.
Sofia a little smaller, Bucharest a little larger, Belgrade a little larger.
Warsaw a little larger, Krakow a little smaller.
Crete and Salonika a little smaller.
Oslo should be a little larger, Helsinki a little smaller.
Russia looks pretty good, can't see any changes I can suggest with those.
Rheims, by the way, was the city I was thinking of, but its too far northwest of the Metz/Strasbourg area.
Overall, city list looks good.
Yurt
Warlord
In regards to the airports in England, there actually is one tucked in behind London (to the NW). I gave ownership to the Americans, so they can rebase a bunch of bombers there first turn, make contact with England, etc. I think one is enough though.
Yurt
Warlord
>Great Britain would be alot closer to France.
>Ditto for Spain.
I guess I'll lower the French cities slightly and up the others.
>What about Italy?
I haven't got to it yet. From what I can remember its population should be about the same (a little less) than Spain and France.
I'll do all those changes you recommended.
>Cologne I'm assuming represents the Ruhr area? It should be the largest city in Germany, as the Ruhr is Germany's largest metro area. (size 22 or so)
I guess so, do you think it should be called Dusseldorf/Cologne, or Dortmund/Cologne, or just Cologne? It could also be Bonn or Essen.
I'll be back in a minute with an updated list.
>Ditto for Spain.
I guess I'll lower the French cities slightly and up the others.
>What about Italy?
I haven't got to it yet. From what I can remember its population should be about the same (a little less) than Spain and France.
I'll do all those changes you recommended.
>Cologne I'm assuming represents the Ruhr area? It should be the largest city in Germany, as the Ruhr is Germany's largest metro area. (size 22 or so)
I guess so, do you think it should be called Dusseldorf/Cologne, or Dortmund/Cologne, or just Cologne? It could also be Bonn or Essen.
I'll be back in a minute with an updated list.
Procifica
ACW Scenario Creator
Hard to say what it should be called, as there are alot of decent sized cities in that area. Ruhr would be a good collective name.
Procifica
ACW Scenario Creator
Italy I believe was a little less than Great Britain at the time.
Rank I believe was:
Germany (largest by quite a bit)
France
Great Britain
Spain
Italy
Spain and Italy are pretty close, they might even need to be reversed. Great Britain is a little smaller than France, and a bit larger than Spain or Italy.
Russia, obviously, is largest by far.
Rank I believe was:
Germany (largest by quite a bit)
France
Great Britain
Spain
Italy
Spain and Italy are pretty close, they might even need to be reversed. Great Britain is a little smaller than France, and a bit larger than Spain or Italy.
Russia, obviously, is largest by far.
Yurt
Warlord
In world war one, Germany had about 70 million people, Britain and France about 35 million, Spain and Italy about 30 million, and Russia about 170 million. I think Germany lost about 30% of its population after the armistice, but lots of them migrated to Germany so they probably still had about 60-65 million people by 1941. The others probably stayed proportional, although Italy grew a bit from their territorial gains. I'm doing Italy right now.
Yurt
Warlord
Here is the list once more:
(I would just attach it as a text file but I've got all these screenshots to attach at the same time)
I think it's looking fairly balanced. Italy seems to have the right number of people compared to the other nations. Germany could use a few more. Are you sure Hamburg and Munich should have been reduced?
GERMANY TOTAL SO FAR: 431
BRITISH EMPIRE TOTAL SO FAR: 91
VICHY FRANCE TOTAL SO FAR: 76
ITALIAN EMPIRE TOTAL SO FAR: 75
FRANCE: (total 91)
Paris (GER) 26
Marseilles (VF) 14
Vichy / Lyons (VF) 12
Bordeaux (GER) 12
Toulouse (VF) 10
Nantes (GER) 9
Strasbourg (GER) 7
Orleans (GER) 6
Brest (GER) 5
Corsica (VF) 2
GREAT BRITAIN: (total 89)
London 29
Liverpool / Manchester 19
Birmingham 13
Edinburgh 9
Glasgow 8
Belfast 5
Plymouth 5
Scapa Flow 1
GERMANY: (total 108)
Berlin 20
Cologne 20
Hamburg / Kiel 17
Munich 15
Dresden 12
Hannover 10
Danzig 8
Konigsberg 6
ITALY: (total 71)
Rome 18
Milan 15
Naples 11
Venice 8
Messina 7
Taranto 5
Livorno 4
Sardinia 3
SPAIN: (total 64)
Madrid 22
Barcelona 16
Valencia 12
Oviedo 6
Tangier 6
Mallorca 2
FRENCH NORTH AFRICA (VF): (total 38)
Tunis 12
Casablanca 9
Algiers 9
Agadir 5
Gabes 3
PORTUGAL (N): (total 22)
Lisbon 13
Oporto 9
BELGIUM/HOLLAND/DENMARK (GER): (total 25)
Amsterdam 10
Copenhagen 8
Brussels 7
AUSTRIA/HUNGARY/CZECH (GER): (total 40)
Vienna 15
Budapest 13
Prague 12
POLAND (GER): (total 23)
Warsaw 13
Krakow 10
BALKANS (GER): (total 51)
Bucharest 13
Belgrade 13
Sofia 8
Zagreb 8
Sarajevo 5
Tirana (ITA) 4
GREECE (GER): (total 17)
Athens 10
Crete 4
Salonika 3
FINLAND/NORWAY (GER): (total 31)
Helsinki 6
Oulu 3
Oslo 8
Trondheim 5
Bergen 4
Stavanger 3
Narvik 2
SWEDEN (N): (total 23)
Stockholm 10
Malmo 6
Goteborg 5
Umea 2
GERMAN-OCCUPIED USSR: (total 69)
Kiev 16
Minsk 13
Odessa 12
Riga 8
Smolensk 7
Bryansk 6
OTHER
Bern (N) 7
Gibraltar (GB) 1
Malta (GB) 1
(I would just attach it as a text file but I've got all these screenshots to attach at the same time)
I think it's looking fairly balanced. Italy seems to have the right number of people compared to the other nations. Germany could use a few more. Are you sure Hamburg and Munich should have been reduced?
GERMANY TOTAL SO FAR: 431
BRITISH EMPIRE TOTAL SO FAR: 91
VICHY FRANCE TOTAL SO FAR: 76
ITALIAN EMPIRE TOTAL SO FAR: 75
FRANCE: (total 91)
Paris (GER) 26
Marseilles (VF) 14
Vichy / Lyons (VF) 12
Bordeaux (GER) 12
Toulouse (VF) 10
Nantes (GER) 9
Strasbourg (GER) 7
Orleans (GER) 6
Brest (GER) 5
Corsica (VF) 2
GREAT BRITAIN: (total 89)
London 29
Liverpool / Manchester 19
Birmingham 13
Edinburgh 9
Glasgow 8
Belfast 5
Plymouth 5
Scapa Flow 1
GERMANY: (total 108)
Berlin 20
Cologne 20
Hamburg / Kiel 17
Munich 15
Dresden 12
Hannover 10
Danzig 8
Konigsberg 6
ITALY: (total 71)
Rome 18
Milan 15
Naples 11
Venice 8
Messina 7
Taranto 5
Livorno 4
Sardinia 3
SPAIN: (total 64)
Madrid 22
Barcelona 16
Valencia 12
Oviedo 6
Tangier 6
Mallorca 2
FRENCH NORTH AFRICA (VF): (total 38)
Tunis 12
Casablanca 9
Algiers 9
Agadir 5
Gabes 3
PORTUGAL (N): (total 22)
Lisbon 13
Oporto 9
BELGIUM/HOLLAND/DENMARK (GER): (total 25)
Amsterdam 10
Copenhagen 8
Brussels 7
AUSTRIA/HUNGARY/CZECH (GER): (total 40)
Vienna 15
Budapest 13
Prague 12
POLAND (GER): (total 23)
Warsaw 13
Krakow 10
BALKANS (GER): (total 51)
Bucharest 13
Belgrade 13
Sofia 8
Zagreb 8
Sarajevo 5
Tirana (ITA) 4
GREECE (GER): (total 17)
Athens 10
Crete 4
Salonika 3
FINLAND/NORWAY (GER): (total 31)
Helsinki 6
Oulu 3
Oslo 8
Trondheim 5
Bergen 4
Stavanger 3
Narvik 2
SWEDEN (N): (total 23)
Stockholm 10
Malmo 6
Goteborg 5
Umea 2
GERMAN-OCCUPIED USSR: (total 69)
Kiev 16
Minsk 13
Odessa 12
Riga 8
Smolensk 7
Bryansk 6
OTHER
Bern (N) 7
Gibraltar (GB) 1
Malta (GB) 1
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Yurt
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Procifica
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Germany actually had 60 million, Britain and France about 40 million each. I've started reading a book on World War I, and read those figures today in fact. (and I just looked them up again in the book to be sure) Spain and Italy I don't have figures for, but I'd say the 5 million off still applies, so 35 million each. Russia at 170 million then sounds about right.
1940 populations:
Germany: 70 million (just looked this up on internet, so its about exact, same source lists 1914 as 67 million)
France: 40 million (just looked it up on internet, same source lists 33 million for 1914)
United Kingdom: 48 million (this one is surprising to me...same source lists 41.7 million for 1914)
Italy: 40 million (another surprising one...same source lists 35.5 million for 1914)
Spain: I can't find a source for Spain, but my guess would be about 25 million, since I did find that its population in 1960 was about 30 million, and it grew about 1%/year in the 20th century.
Italy...I'd drop Milan a little bit, other than that, I'd say it looks good. Cologne should still be a little bigger than Berlin.
Procifica
ACW Scenario Creator
Move Lisbon northwest one square.
LouLong
In love with Rei Ayanami
Airport yes
Radar tower, hmmm, radar was actually developped during the war.
LouLong
In love with Rei Ayanami
Sorry I overlooked this thread for a while. Otherwise I would have told you these figures earlier. Spain is still below France and its density is quite low, 20 to 25 millions (+ remember they controlled the "Rif" of Morocco. Italy had an important population growth, largely encouraged by "il Duce" Mussolini so it is not a surprise. I just have one pb with the population of England. That one seems just a bit high (I would have said no more than 45 millions). Guess I can be wrong sometimes.
Procifica
ACW Scenario Creator
Spain is about 40 million today. France I believe is now close to 60 million, if not a little over.
Well, I'm not exactly sure how accurate the source I found was, I thought the United Kingdom was a little high too.
Radar was being used by the British by August, 1941 (quite effectively too). Putting in a few towers in this scenario would be a good idea.
Well, I'm not exactly sure how accurate the source I found was, I thought the United Kingdom was a little high too.
Radar was being used by the British by August, 1941 (quite effectively too). Putting in a few towers in this scenario would be a good idea.
LouLong
In love with Rei Ayanami
It seems I always believe that the scenario starts in 39, sorry for that.
pap1723
Prince
There were more primitive forms of radar used during teh Battle of Britain also.
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Procifica
ACW Scenario Creator
Thanks pap, I put the WRONG YEAR up there! I meant to say, August, 1940!
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