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[Heroes]

Without aid from Abe, how could you possibly deal with French cavs and musketeers? It looks simply dim ...

 

[Own]

Abe won't help much, with enough cav we can take on joanie without any artillery, we just need to get a couple of leaders (the hardest part) and we're set.

 

[Heroes]

Abe won't help much, with enough cav we can take on joanie without any artillery, we just need to get a couple of leaders (the hardest part) and we're set.

Man, from where do you want to get military tradition? You don't know feudalism yet. I bet at that time France will have infantry, if not tank.

 

[Own]

There's the problem. Maybe magic will happen... seems only solution to this game is UN or Space.

I just got a crazy idea, grinding France with cats and swords. Yeah, they got them's musketeers, but if they're redlined they stand no chance to swords. We'd need a lot of units, though, half our cat's and swords would have to be at home on defense, but of course that's a lot of leaders.

IMO France can be taken, I vote for giving it a shot.

 

[Heroes]

There's the problem. Maybe magic will happen... seems only solution to this game is UN or Space.

I just got a crazy idea, grinding France with cats and swords. Yeah, they got them's musketeers, but if they're redlined they stand no chance to swords. We'd need a lot of units, though, half our cat's and swords would have to be at home on defense, but of course that's a lot of leaders.

IMO France can be taken, I vote for giving it a shot.

No, that's not going to happen. Their cavalries will decimate your poor NMs and swords (isn't 6:3 huge?), not to mention that your trebs will miss a lot to musketeers. What's worse, cav are too fast, you have no way to predict where they will attack.

Maybe it's better to take down Abe, then sit down to do self research or steal from other continents. You will be backwards for a long time, but if AIs keep fighting, you always have opportunities.

 

[Own]

I disagree. Even cats can hit a musketeer pretty frequently, and we'll be playing with trebs. I don't know that they do have cav, but they won't attack an NM army (and I assure you we'll get more of those). Their cav's are fast, but we can garrison our frontal cities well enough and wall them, fortification plus walls plus grassland = about 5.5 defense, not bad with a free artillery shot. Plus, their cav's will frquently retreat, making easy targets for leaderfishing units. Once we get a few leaders and sword/NM armies, the game (well, war at least) is in the bag. We can use their lands for science farms to catch up, and assault the other continent with cavalry.

 

[Bigfoot]

I don't doubt we can take out Abe, but by then France will be a monster. In fact, they may be too strong even now, but I don't see that we have much choice. My vote is for a MA with Abe vs. the French. We can set our army to pillaging (I think France has just 1 source of saltpeter IIRC) while Abe takes the heaviest blow. We could also try to set up a killing zone in the swamps, say at the end of the road by the lakes (leaving Rusicade undefended as bait).

 

[Own]

Yeah, definately ally with Abe, forgot to mention. France will get harder and harder to take out as time passes, and there's no way we can beat them to space or the UN. Is a little dangerous and risky and odd, but I see no other way of victory.

After France Abe will be easy meat.

Edit: IMO our army shouldn't be a pillager, but a cat guarder. Without walled cities, our NM's stand no chance to cav (if they have them). Here's a dilemna, if we road/cut the swamps, we let France through, if we don't, we can't move our trebs. Maybe we could found cities where the road is so the French still can't get through fast.

Swap means Obor's up.

 

[Bigfoot]

I'm pretty sure your rep is ok if you buy tech from sb. for gpt and she dies, -- providing you only spend gpt.

If true that would be both a bug and an exploit, as you could get techs for less than their full value without a penalty. I am not interested in winning using exploits.

 

[Own]

It's not a major exploit... Just get a little free tech. I think we should use it, we need every dirty trick in the book to make a comeback.

 

[Whomp]

I am with Bigfoot on both the MA and no exploits.

It's a risk but if we can leader farm and have the Americans and French pound each other it will help a lot. How about bringing some of the others (Ottos) into the fight as well?

 

[Own]

Eh, fine I guess one tech doesn't matter and we can say "we won exploitless." If we can succesfully get a few leaders, France is toast. Bringing the Otto's might be a good idea, half the French boats will hit them, so we can have some of our coast guard join in the main fight. America could get quite a few kills with their muskets in cities.

Edit: So ifyan, you changed your username (already forgot how to spell the old one )

 

[Heroes]

Eh, fine I guess one tech doesn't matter and we can say "we won exploitless." If we can succesfully get a few leaders, France is toast. Bringing the Otto's might be a good idea, half the French boats will hit them, so we can have some of our coast guard join in the main fight. America could get quite a few kills with their muskets in cities.

Edit: So ifyan, you changed your username (already forgot how to spell the old one )

Wow, didn't notice that Thunderfall had changed it. Now you are free to misspell both my family name and first name ...

 

[soul_warrior]

getting bush to kill shirac, that sounds cool.
expolits are a HUGE
the only way i s see us winning is via ultra agressive means.
or space?

 

[Own]

I prefer conquest, plenty of sid SS and diplo wins already, nothinn new. I'll only accept domination if the AI is in position to launch SS or cast a vote. Maybe I'm thinking a little too optimistic and too far ahead

 

[Obormot]

I think we should attack France.

Our chances are low, but if we don't do it we'll propably be able to capture America and then we'll just have to sit and wait untill France attacks and destroys us. Sure we can win by space or diplo if Joan will be mercifull, but that's not what we want, isn't it? As i see it now we should fortify the front a bit and build roads in those swamps for our cats, so that we can hold the first flood of french units and then ally with America and for a while just defend and leader fish. And we'll see what happens next. Bringing other civs to the dogpile won't help us much, but we can go for it to slow down the tech pace.

I would join some of our workers to lower the unit costs and increase population.

 

[ThERat]

lurkers advise:

maybe you want to read our Sid virgin (bed0x- Sid virgins) thread where we played as Carthago just like you guys and pulled off a SS win by a very very narrow margin.

You won't ever be able to take on a Civ on the same continent until much later. They will simply crush you. You are afr too optimistic to think you can take them on like this. The only way is to play both of them out against each other, make nice gpt trades for techs (and hope the AI declares on you or sth like this) Trading resources might also be useful if you can.

Try to stay under the radar as much as you can and slowly work your way up. Good luck and you will need lots of it.

 

[nerovats]

I must agree with Therat, France is twice our size, which means they'll have at least 4 times as many units. On the other hand, it might be the only possibility, must setup traps and and let them commit suicide.
The only other opton I see is waiting for arties, but by then the game might already be lost.

 

[Heroes]

lurkers advise:

maybe you want to read our Sid virgin (bed0x- Sid virgins) thread where we played as Carthago just like you guys and pulled off a SS win by a very very narrow margin.

You won't ever be able to take on a Civ on the same continent until much later. They will simply crush you. You are afr too optimistic to think you can take them on like this. The only way is to play both of them out against each other, make nice gpt trades for techs (and hope the AI declares on you or sth like this) Trading resources might also be useful if you can.

Try to stay under the radar as much as you can and slowly work your way up. Good luck and you will need lots of it.

Yeah, I think that you have practically zero chance to beat France at this stage. You military is not only weak, but actually negligible comparing to France. You could defeat America, because it has no iron. But after America got saltpeter, you were stuck. France is much much stronger than America. You have no way to stop their attack, an army can only cover 1 tile.

This is not saying you will be toast for ever. After you get railroad everywhere and build many artilleries, your chance comes. But before that it's safer to pray France to be merciful ...

 

[Obormot]

Maybe you are right, but i'm afraid that at this point getting to arty may be even more difficult then warring with France. After all we'll ally America and they have muskets fortified in big cities. Maybe that'll be enough to stop the French. I wonder did they have a GA already?