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[Own]

Is pointy sticking america good? Flip risks would still exist, unless we prayed for no flips and after 20 turns we can attack again? Or high pop captured cities could rush settlers, only problem is the settlers would be foreign.

I've found this game to be amazing about how we're beating a sid AI with a skeleton military (so far, at least). Not trying to brag about my turnset, I did have to ask for help about a zillion times and setting it up was probably more amazing.

Roster, and save and screenies.

Obormot- NOT up
nerovats
Own- just played, and got a huge weight off his back
SW- UP!!
Pentium- on deck
Bigfoot- in a hole
Whomp

As you can see, we've got a couple of horsemen in wheel chairs and NM's in neckbraces for defending against France.

Edit: Whoops, sorry about the sucky picture quality.

 

[Heroes]

I'm sure we can get out of tech hole without the GL. We can pointy-stick america, get printing press and music theory monopolies, etc. We need to get Monotheism and Theology now so that we can research PP. I would start on Monotheism and try to get Theology for peace (if the AI have it, did anybody start Sistine?). I would definitely make peace with Joan as soon as alliance expires. We need those units on the american front.

I'm not so optimistic ... You surely can extort USA, but I really doubt you can get monopoly of pp or music. They are simply too far away, and your research ability is too low without libs. It would be much more efficient to save money by 0 research (your markets make 50% bonus in this way), then do this: max your income by reducing lux to 0, change every citizen not working on high commerce tile to taxman, then buy tech(s) and cash for gpt from some rich civ, then do a boot or immediate steal, hope they will declare to you. This way works great, but you'd better have enough money for 2 immediate steals, -- otherwise if your only steal succeeds, you are in an very awkward situation. BUT, do you guys think this exploitive?

 

[Pentium]

You aren't in an awkward situation, because you get a cheap tech (and an expensive one too).

It is exploitive, there was a thread in GD about it.

 

[Own]

Don't be fooled, those new markets look nice, but facing a sid AI with our crappy army without any reinforcements is tough to impossible. CONSTANTLY BUILD NM'S!!!

 

[Obormot]

@Ifyan: PP is not so far away, but of course much depends on luck here. I would still try researching it at maximum. Buying techs for gpt and doing immidiate steals is a good way to catch up too.

Looking at the pics: The horse city can be resettled 2W of White, the cultural pressure won't be so strong and we'll get wheat and horses in the city radius. I'm afraid that AI will send settlers to grab the horses. Maybe we should start a lib in that city to reduce the risk even further. The cultural pressure in the wines city is bad too, we should raze some more american towns. How many units do we have in those stacks? And i would switch NMs being built to horses, i think we already have enough NMs.

 

[Own]

In the wine city we have three healing horses and the army. We have lots of cats, two NM's and an archer in the stack by the rock pile. We definately do not have enough NM's. I think we should take a 4 turn march to washington with an army with the cat stack and lots of NM's, on emperor capitals can be defended this early by over 10 spears. We can block the AI settlers from claiming the horses. Maybe Oea should build a settler?

 

[Heroes]

@Ifyan: PP is not so far away, but of course much depends on luck here. I would still try researching it at maximum. Buying techs for gpt and doing immidiate steals is a good way to catch up too.

Even if you get PP monopoly, how much would you expect to gain? Can you get feudalism (which is insanely expensive to buy just like nationalism) from it? I highly doubt ... Again, I think it's wasteful to do research without libs. And you are not even scientific, life is so hard ...

 

[Own]

Monopoly techs make their value go way up, like the AI thinks they'll be able to sell it before I do . It's definately doable. Research full speed to mononucleosustheism while we're in the GA.

 

[Obormot]

Even if you get PP monopoly, how much would you expect to gain? Can you get feudalism (which is insanely expensive to buy just like nationalism) from it? I highly doubt ... Again, I think it's wasteful to do research without libs. And you are not even scientific, life is so hard ...

I think it is possible to get Feudalism for a monopoly tech. And research without libs is just as wastefull as saving money without markets, and markets are even more expensive.

@Own: They can have a great number of spears in Washington. Definitely we should join those stacks and still i doubt that it would be enough to take a sid captial. Maybe we should capture Buffalo first while building cats and horses and when we have more units advance to washington?

 

[Own]

You're right on that. In Buffalo they won't have a quarter as many defenders as Washington will.

I vote for getting america down to one city before pointy sticking if we can (meaning we're not losing). Maybe we can survive with the land we've got but we'll be in no winning position. We need to conquer, conquer, conquer, and a couple techs for peace isn't worth our civ's total war mobilization. All that land can be specialist farm.

 

[Heroes]

I think it is possible to get Feudalism for a monopoly tech. And research without libs is just as wastefull as saving money without markets, and markets are even more expensive.

What, you don't have markets? How do you support 12 pop in Carthage? How much lux slider?

 

[Obormot]

I think it is better to pointy stick America while they have some units in our territory and then boot them. But i think that would only work before capturing Washington. If there won't be such an opportunity i agree with Own.

 

[Obormot]

@Ifyan: markets won't help happiness with so few luxuries. Our lux tax is at 20% as you can see from the pics

 

[Own]

If we get another wines, because we're small, we may be able to get silks and spices (I think it's spices) from France just for our wines.

 

[Obormot]

But still that would mean 3 luxes so we would only get 1 happy face from a market. I don't think it makes sense to build anything except military for some time now.

 

[Own]

We wouldn't have to build anything, even without markets 2 luxes is 2 happy faces, and can allow us to tone down the lux slider.

A high priority tech is chivlary for knights.

 

[Heroes]

But still that would mean 3 luxes so we would only get 1 happy face from a market. I don't think it makes sense to build anything except military for some time now.

A few turns ago some one says we are bankrupt ... How is your economics now?

 

[Whomp]

How is your economics now?

The economy needs unit support...

Forget chivalry. It a dead end tech for a 70s unit (very odd number for this point in the game). We need more 40s MI to grind the Sid AI on our own continent. Significantly better value for the money with less waste trying to find 70s somewhere.

Continue towards PP. What we need to decide is whether we plan to steal our way into the IA or research it? If we are researching we better start cranking libs right now.

If we're stealing our way then keep the commerce builds rolling. Banking becomes required and possilbly a valuable monopoly tech. Let the AI research the bottom half.

Keep taking the fringe American cites and raze. We can't compete with Sid on culture.

We need peace with the French asap. It would be nice to have them gas some other civs.

 

[Heroes]

From you picture, I see you gain 41 gpt with 0 research, gee! So even if you go 100% research, you can only afford 41 beakers per turn. At sid level, standard map, Monotheism costs 1080 beakers if 7 out of 8 civs have known it. Therefore you need 26.34 turns to finish it, -- without considering your GA would be over. How much sense does this make?

 

[Own]

Forget chivalry. It a dead end tech for a 70s unit (very odd number for this point in the game). We need more 40s MI to grind the Sid AI on our own continent. Significantly better value for the money with less waste trying to find 70s somewhere.

Tis not the knight, but the upgrade path that I'm interested in.

If we are researching we better start cranking libs right now.

No way jose, we need our core concentrating on military. IMO buying is the way to go. Stealing is less expensive, but consider it only works less than half the time, we have a war risk, and buying makes the AI love us I'm for buying.


We can peace with France in 5 turns. Our alliance rep matters so much.