NES2 V - The Great Game.

[Disenfrancised]

Please do not tell us that you wish for more than reparations paid, and a return to pre-war borders?

We wish for an end to the reckless agression of the Qing regime (not their death of course, just a removal from power) and a china ruled by chinese in its place.

Send me your MSN and we can discuss this without clogging the thread.

 

[erez87]

Das, that movement I invested economy into never came to fruition. Any reason why?

From: Persia
To: The Federated Kingdoms

The FK declared war on Persia, along with many other nations, several years ago. Since then, we all have inaugurated a reign of terrible brutality, not seen since the greatest wars of our forefathers.

The FK and it's allies have won many victories in this war, as have Persia and it's allies. But a stumbling, starving Federate army has struck into Iraq, and it is in dire straits. As are both of our armies in other portions of the world. But the one in Iraq will certainly die, the corpses of the men you conscripted rotting on a foreign shore. If peace is not declared, that is.

Now, we wish, and have always wished for peace. If you refuse our offer, this war will continue until one of our nations dies. But the scars that we have inflicted on this world will be slow to heal. Your people, too, are wearying, only barely tolerating the conscription thanks to the massive force that you would use to crush protest.

The Federate Kingdoms may crush all resistance in the world, but it will eventually stagnate. You cannot rule a nation that transcends nationalism.

Therefore, we submit our terms, to apply to all warring members of our alliances, if they so agree:

1. The FK will withdraw from Persia, and Egypt. The latter will form an independent government.

2. The FK will withdraw itself from France, Belgium, and Catalonia. It will disengage itself from war with any French faction, and will not support any French faction.

3. The FK will withdraw from India, and recognize it's independence. It will also disengage itself from war with Qing China.

4. The FK will withdraw itself from French Mexico, as will Dalnorossia. A referendum in this contested area, due to it's mixed allegiance to many nations, is possible.

5. Qing China will withdraw itself from Dalnorossia, and Dalnorossia will withdraw itself from Qing China. Qing China will pay eight million Federate pounds to Dalnorossia for damages inflicted in Central and East Asia, minus three million pounds for damages caused by Dalnorossia in Korea and Manchuria, making the total payment from China to Dalnorossia 5 million Federate pounds.

6. The FK will withdraw from any French territories in Africa.


Feel free to discuss these terms, rather than refusing them outright. Also, a clause regarding withdrawal of Federate allies from the HRE needs to be worked out.

You should add in

7. Persia will withdraw from all the middle east and arabia and Somalian lands.

8. Prussia will be formed from all provinces that has prussians in them.

9. Muscovy will fully retreat from poland and Sweden

10. Persia will withdraw all support to any side of the French civil war, and the Italian civil war as well as any other Persian ally.

11. China will retreat from all central asia, Japan and Korea and Annan.
...

 

[Disenfrancised]

Hilarious treaty

In the interests of maintaining cordial relations with Persia, we will let the esteemed diplomatic skills of Lord Russel field this one...

 

[Thlayli]

(This message removed, due to puppets with an attitude problem.)

 

[erez87]

We agree to provisions 8,9, and 10. Although 10 needs to be edited a bit. We can't be expected to withdraw support for every ally we have, that's ridiculous.

However, the peoples of the Middle East have freely chosen to join Persia, with minor exceptions. When peoples within Persia have asked for independence, like Turkey, we have readily granted it.



Perhaps a referendum would support this, but the Middle East and Somalia remain Persian by choice.

sorry made misakes. 8 and 9 have been changed.

And the people of the middle east were never asked who they want to be with.
Turkey was never Persian, you aggresivly conquered them.

oh and i ment all your allies remove support to panda's france.

 

[Disenfrancised]

nothin to see here

 

[Thlayli]

Too bad. It really seemed like he was actually going to compromise.

And actually, the peoples of the Middle East and Somalia were asked to join Persia. And they agreed. Certainly they had more choice over the matter of their governance than those living in the French Republic.

 

[erez87]

btw also added 11.

why too bad? wouldn't you agree to it?
Why Egypt when Prussia won't be free?
Why India when the middle east is still under the boots of Persia and japan korea and annan under chinese iron fist?

 

[Thlayli]

Why am I even conducting diplomacy with a puppet in the first place?

Some questions will never be answered.

 

[erez87]

Why am I even conducting diplomacy with a puppet in the first place?

Some questions will never be answered.

perhaps because we are not puppets? interesting that every time we say somthing that is correct and show how hypcratic you are you jump and say puppets. puppets like the new countries in the balkans which your formed? puppets like you want egypt to be for you?

EDIT!
we suggest the Persian allies to stop letting Persia spear for them.. they don't do it very well.. as for Persia we suggest you stop trying to sounds as if you are so free and nice to everyone all you are showing is hypocracy. If you want India to be free why are you yourself not a republic with free subjects?

 

[Thlayli]

You need only refer to my last post.

The Middle East freely chose to join Persia.

We said nothing about Prussia.

We have no reason in talking to the French Republic in the first place, because it is merely an instrument of the FK.

 

[erez87]

we suggest the Persian allies to stop letting Persia speak for them.. they don't do it very well..

As for Persia we suggest you stop trying to sounds as if you are so free and nice to everyone all you are showing is hypocracy. If you want India to be free why are you yourself not a republic with free subjects?

 

[Thlayli]

Persia's subjects have local sovreignty, and complete personal freedom in their affairs. They do elect local assemblies, you know. And ironically, this is the 19th century. Being free doesn't mean having a republic, and the only one that is in existance appears to...not be elected at all.

We have spoken for none of our allies, actually. They are free to make their own decisions.

And if you're going to take the time to debate the meaning of hypocrisy with me, you could at least take the time to spell it correctly.

 

[erez87]

Persia's subjects have local sovreignty, and complete personal freedom in their affairs. They do elect local assemblies, you know. And ironically, this is the 19th century. Being free doesn't mean having a republic, and the only one that is in existance appears to...not be elected at all.

We have spoken for none of our allies, actually. They are free to make their own decisions.

And if you're going to take the time to debate the meaning of hypocrisy with me, you could at least take the time to spell it correctly.

Ironicly Persian subject has no saying in what their country do while in France, they do.

and we may not have been elected, like yourself? but our people show they accept our rule by joining our army to fight for the republic.. while in persia you make them join in massive conscriptions...

and were french we don't like the english lanuage anyway

 

[Disenfrancised]

And if you're going to take the time to debate the meaning of hypocrisy with me, you could at least take the time to spell it correctly.

OOC: Resorting to making fun of someones spelling to make yourself seem superior, on a site where many peoples first languague may not be english, is not cool.

 

[Thlayli]

You're right. I take it back.

From: Persia
To: French Republic

We have no desire to debate the meaning of hypocrisy anymore. As you remember, we tried to negotiate with you. That has failed however, as you have shown yourself to be unreasoning and quite illogical. We will conduct further diplomacy with the FK and Dalnorossia, if they so wish it.

Persia has never conscripted a single soldier. Good luck proving that allegation.

 

[Finmaster]

It has to be remembered that during the 19th century, "republic" usually ment the same as oligarchy. The rich upper class was allowed to vote.

Just a remark to those who debate about the justification for a republic

 

[Disenfrancised]

You're right. I take it back.

And of course some people might have english as a first languague and be crap spellers ...

 

[erez87]

It has to be remembered that during the 19th century, "republic" usually ment the same as oligarchy. The rich upper class was allowed to vote.

Just a remark to those who debate about the justification for a republic

but thats not my republic.. in mine everyone get to vote, well all males.. can't get to ahead of my times

IC: and unlike in Persia ones this civil war will end election will come, true ones, somthing Persia the "free" will never have.

 

[Thlayli]

As Persia is a nation in which most people support it's leaders, I consider it "free," by 19th century standards.

Interestingly enough, Persia has a much broader base of support than the French Republic does.

We haven't exactly been trampling the rights of independent peoples into the ground on our campaigns, have we?