NES2 V - The Great Game.

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Thlayli said:
From: Persia
To: Dalnorossia

We...were discussing a peace treaty?

Yes our position was clear; the unconditional surrender of the Qing, and we will not comment or interfere in your difficulites with the FK.

I would like to apologise for all the spamming btw...you really should have let us beat you on MSN instead Thlayli ;)
 
erez87 said:
OOC cleric yeah.. but this is part of the game.. join it it's fun :) and contempt luckily i'm not imperialistic.. yay!

I'll stick to what I'm good at...spamming the thread up.
 
erez87 said:
and also the Japanies easablished an independent country, and the Prussians, yet you refused too acnowledge them...
I believe that neither france or persia have anything to say about that, as it's matter between HRE and Scandinavia.
 
From: Persia
To: Dalnorossia

So let's make this clear, you will not accept economic concessions, a full withdrawal of Chinese forces, and a referendum regarding Chinese government reorganization?

To me, these seem like very generous terms.

OOC: Now china has to agree to them...
 
To HRE
From Scandinavia


Here's the deal: we'll withdraw fully from HRE on the conditions that HRE will reinstate the Riechstag, and create an autonomus Prussian Junker republic within the borders we have already laid out. On those conditions, Scandinavia and Poland can declare peace with HRE and fully withdraw from the HRE's lands.

We will not accept any other deal than this, and any deal involving peace with Muscovy will be rejected without consideration.
 
Thlayli said:
From: Persia
To: Dalnorossia
referendum regarding Chinese government reorganization?

Thats the point we disagree on, as it allows the possibility for Qing survival. 'sides have you asked the Qing what their position is - methinks a divine monarchy would not be too keen on a referendum on removing their power :lol:

Again we appreciate Perisa's interest in the affairs of the world, but do not interfere in this matter.
 
Thlayli said:
From: Persia
To: Siam

Your lies are disgusting.

To Persia
From Siam

Pray tell good sir where I did lie? I said I'd consider your offer, and I decided not to take it up. In fact, you should be glad my government had stayed quiet about it - but since you bring it up... *shrug*
 
BananaLee said:
To Persia
From Siam

Pray tell good sir where I did lie? I said I'd consider your offer, and I decided not to take it up. In fact, you should be glad my government had stayed quiet about it - but since you bring it up... *shrug*

Oh, it was a comment about "not desiring land" that seemed to indicate a lie. Also, your lack of response, either affirmative or negative, was rather...irritating. We can understand the miscommunication, though.
 
Thlayli said:
If Dalnorossia refuses to accept any solution besides the total destruction of Qing China, then we fear that our diplomatic situation might deteriorate.

The destruction of the government and empire perhaps, but the people, or the idea of china itself? of course not. It would be regretful if out diplomatic situation was to deteriorate, and we hope that won't happen...
 
OOC: I did send a PM. :? Plus, if you'd had watched me in my other NESes, land is less of a priority you know...

IC:
Well, good sir. I do not believe it is my fault that you had failed to receive the message. In fact, I did wonder why my messenger never returned. *ominous hint of killing messengers :P*
However, the fact that you missed out Siam in your peace treaty offer is highly ominous. Out of curiosity, were you going to leave the rest of your allies high and dry by negotiating a separate peace?
 
From: Persia
To: Siam

Regarding Siam's place in such a treaty, we would of course include it in a final draft. While we're quite curious as to how you acquired a document sent to the FK so quickly, our initial proposal only dealt with areas of conflict that the FK itself was directly involved in.

I am sure that Siam removing itself from occupied territory would be a major part of the treaty, or the selling of the Annamese regions to Siam, if China so desires.

OOC: The impression you gave was that you weren't going to attack China, hence the "not desiring land" thing. I know you might not want a globe-spanning empire, but isn't your invasion of China a land grab?
 
Thlayli said:
OOC: The impression you gave was that you weren't going to attack China, hence the "not desiring land" thing. I know you might not want a globe-spanning empire, but isn't your invasion of China a land grab?

OOC:
Perhaps he...

<_<
>_>

...uttered Falsehood :eek:!

Siam explain youself! Such duplicity has no place in the RGC!
 
OOC:

@ das: Hmm, regarding the research into naval technology. I did order that, correct?

Ah, that. Progress happened in that field, yes.

As Persia is a nation in which most people support it's leaders, I consider it "free," by 19th century standards.

Actually, what does loyalty have to do with freedom? Both are pretty abstract, unconnected (in a way, even exclusive) concepts anyway, though you can feel free to continue debating them...
 
Letter from Lord Russell to Alberto Berlusconi

"Dear Sir,

It has come to my attention that the Persian envoys in Italy have suggested a deal to you that will secure peace for your country, or so it seems. The suggestion that by allowing Italy to be used as a base for Persian troops you will bring peace to your country is, however, most removed from the truth. By doing so you would be aiding Persia in their war against the Federated Kingdoms, and as a result we would be forced to intervene. I hope you understand my sentiment.

Lord John Russell"


Letter from Lord Russell to Shah Ardashir IV

"Dear Sir,

I have come upon an interesting document in the last two days that outlines a 'proposal' for a peace treaty between our two countries. I would like to make something very clear to you before we proceed any further.

Point one - there are more Federate troops in Iraq currently than Persia has combined in all of its forces. Point two - the end of the Civil War in France within the next two years will free up even more Federate troops. Point three - the Federated Kingdom can, and will, support an even larger force that will be aiming at a complete destruction of the Persian Empire.

Now that we are both on the same page I would like to extend a proposal for peace to you. I propose an immediate unconditional surrender of Persia and your abdication. Trust me, this will be much less painful for you than the doomed struggle to maintain power that you seem to be engaged in right now.

Respectfully,

Lord John Russell"
 
The guns of Imarta, a small Finnish town a couple miles from the main battle lines, were rarely silent. The Krupp field artillery shot shells at enemy positions day and night. The Krupp shells landed near, and sometimes (with luck) on Muscovy positions. These shells also bombarded the outer defenses of the newly Finnish held cities in south Finland. being careful not to strike too deep into the inner city. They were Scandinavian, after all.

While the artillery kept on firing, an army was gathering around this small Finnish town. It citizens watched in awe as the Scandinavian army gathered, barely even waking the town when they set their tents in the night. They had made barely a sound. Why would they, after all? These men were not normal troops, able to be distracted by women, wine, and food, but the highly Elite Berserkers from Karlskrona. The towns people had gone to sleep, and had woken to the sight of hundreds of tents streched outside the towns fields.

This highly elite, discplined force was here for one reason: an offensive. Underneath General Nils Magnus Brahe.

"Tommorrow will be a great day. All your training will be put to test, and all the friendships you have made will be tested underneath fire from the enemy. Your blood will pump, and in battle, you will do all that you were trained to do. You will sweat blood and tears for this country, for your brothers beside you. You will fight to rid Muscovy tyranny from this earth forever.

I know that many of you would rather die than lose in this great crusade of ours, but remember this: All of you are men, great men, who are willing to fight and die for every inch of ground we take tommorrow. But do not throw your life away for this lofty goal of ours. Be smarter than the enemy, move faster, shoot straighter, but do not throw yourself into death if your sacrifice is worth nothing.

Do not throw yourself at the numerically superior enemy if they are defending ground that is worthless to us. Out flank them, and force them to move into a more enviable position for our attack. Never forget that you are all mortal, and have but one life to live. Never forget that, in this crusade blessed by God. By his provedence, we will all be free in the afterlife, but do not go there without taking a few Muscovites with, ya?

Tommorrow will be a great day, when the fire of our guns washes away tyranny in a land that is opressed. When our courage and valor remove a man who killed our wives, our sons, our grandfathers, our grandmothers, our brothers and cousins in the dishonorable attack upon Stockholm and Kalmar. Truly I tell you, it is sweet and honorable to die for our Homeland. May we never forget it, and dream of it as we fight for its redemption."

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.
 
Thlayli said:
From: Persia
To: Siam

Regarding Siam's place in such a treaty, we would of course include it in a final draft. While we're quite curious as to how you acquired a document sent to the FK so quickly, our initial proposal only dealt with areas of conflict that the FK itself was directly involved in.

I am sure that Siam removing itself from occupied territory would be a major part of the treaty, or the selling of the Annamese regions to Siam, if China so desires.

We have our ways and means, good sir. Perhaps you announced it to the world during the drafting of the treaty. Or perhaps it's the fact that the Siamese embassies in Dalnorussia and the FK were informed about something which involved the entire RGC. Either way, you choose.

Regarding the withdrawal from occupied territory, Southern Annam has always been Siamese, it was stolen from us years ago by the Qing Chinese. Plus, if they hadn't done that in the first place, do you think Siam would be in the RGC? (Oooo... Bringing up the past. :p)

Thlayli said:
OOC: but isn't your invasion of China a land grab?

No it isn't. ;) I prefer the term "reacquisition of rights - with interest"
 
Port of Helsingborg

The Port city of Helsingborg is an interesting place in the Scandinavian Union. Until very recently, it had been a place of minor importance, a port city competing rather unsucessfully with the Federated Kingdoms Cophenhagen. However, with the new alliance with the Federated Kingdoms, Helsingborg has become the primary trading port of the Scandinavian Union.

The port serves as an entery point for Federated Kingdoms goods from all across the globe, making the ports of Helsingborg ridiculously wealthy thanks to the massive amounts of commerical goods produced by the Federated Kingdoms colonies and main islands, although production in the main of the Federated Kingdoms has turned over to military materials.

This production does not however detract from the ludicrous business the Scandinavian Union gets from the Federated Kingdoms in regards to the highly profitable Krupp artillery and Krag guns, nor does it detract from the cheap Scandinavian iron from being sold to the Federated Kingdoms from the port of Helsingborg. The port can easily ship materials into Federate lands via Cophenhagen, thus making it extremely profitable for Scandinavian shipping industries and iron businesses to ship through the city.

The port is a growing money machine in the growing Scandinavian economy, exploiting their position of closeness with a major Federated Port with maximun efficency, the railroads to Helsingborg making it extordinarily easy for goods to be unloaded and transported to all parts of the Union, and also to be packed and shipped into other Countries markets.
 
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