NES2 V - The Great Game.

[Stormbringer]

The Peace proposal to China stands the same as last turn. China loses Japan, Korea, Tibet, Mongolia, and all the lands west of present-day China. I do not know much about Siam-China historical borders, but the border there should be drawn based on ethnicity of people. And of course China immediately withdraws from the war.

The Peace proposal to Persia is also the same as last time. Withdrawal from all non-Shiite and non-Persian territories and immediate withdrawal from the war.

 

[Contempt]

My project is still 1/5, as it was last turn even though I put 1 econ. point into it. Could you fix that Das, since it should be 2/5

 

[silver 2039]

So what do u say to our peace proposal?


Also did anyone get/read the hate mail I sent them a few days ago?

 

[Contempt]

To Muscovy
From Scandinavia

Unless Tsar Alexius abdicates the throne, and then is tried for War crimes along with the generals in charge of the burning and killings at Kalmar and Stockholm, then there will be no peace.

 

[silver 2039]

To Muscovy
From Scandinavia

Unless Tsar Alexius abdicates the throne, and then is tried for War crimes along with the generals in charge of the burning and killings at Kalmar and Stockholm, then there will be no peace.

The Tsar is willing to abdicate the throne and well retire however he is not willing to face war crimes.

OOC: What if he just like died or something, an "unfourtnate accidnet"

 

[Contempt]

The Tsar is willing to abdicate the throne and well retire however he is not willing to face war crimes.

OOC: What if he just like died or something, an "unfourtnate accidnet"

Nothing more, nothing less. Scandinavia will not let the Tsar walk away from his crimes without proper trial...

 

[silver 2039]

Nothing more, nothing less. Scandinavia will not let the Tsar walk away from his crimes without proper trial...

Its 1869. Would it really make a diffrence to you if he died with a trial or not?

 

[alex994]

The Peace proposal to China stands the same as last turn. China loses Japan, Korea, Tibet, Mongolia, and all the lands west of present-day China. I do not know much about Siam-China historical borders, but the border there should be drawn based on ethnicity of people. And of course China immediately withdraws from the war.

A question, how come in the treaty that Azale gave me Sinkiang as well as Inner Mongolia and Outer Manchuria is ceded to Dalnorossia?

 

[Thlayli]

Persia would like to counter the Federate proposal with another offer: Withdraw from all Persian territory legally ceded to it by the former Ottoman Empire, and give Egypt it's independence, under a Federate or Perso-Federate protectorate. In return we will organize a referendum in Afghanistan, and grant local autonomy to any Sunnis under our rule. (OOC: I'll decentralize, and cause no atrocities.) In addition, India must be granted independence.

If the FK refuses such terms, we are fully prepared to continue the war until either Persia or the FK no longer exists as a political entity.

OOC: The Kingdoms aren't going to tolerate this much longer.

Das, I only lost one civilian leadership, so it should be at Good, unless I'm wrong.

Uhm, you're the White Lotus alex?

 

[1889]

Nothing more, nothing less. Scandinavia will not let the Tsar walk away from his crimes without proper trial...

You could put his corpse on trial like Pope Boniface VI in 896. (He was found guilty.)

 

[ThomAnder]

And er, no way will we have peace in current borders (Since chances are that the borders will change after this year). Do keep in mind that you're currently fighting a three front war, so you have very few leverages to work with

 

[Thlayli]

No...he's not fighting Dalnorossia, yet.

A question, how come in the treaty that Azale gave me Sinkiang as well as Inner Mongolia and Outer Manchuria is ceded to Dalnorossia?

There seem to be two separate treaties circulating: The one proposed by the FK on this page, and the one that Azale has been presented.

 

[Contempt]

Its 1869. Would it really make a diffrence to you if he died with a trial or not?

But also so well that they just wouldn't UNDERSTAND any attempts to make peace...

Not really, since condintional peace will not occur this turn anyway, especially not at current borders. Unless Muscovy wants to Unconditionally surrender to the RGC alliance, peace will not happen until one of our nations march through the defeated enemies capital.

 

[alex994]

In my non-character or any form of participation in this nes, I have to say stormy's treaty is much more lenient then dalnorossia's.

 

[Thlayli]

Which is why Persia encourages China to accept the FK peace treaty on two conditions:

1. "Present Day China" includes Sinkiang and the Turkmeni Western Territories (Samarkand)
2. Mongolia is placed under a joint Sino-Dalnorossian protectorate.

We also strongly encourage the abdication of the Qing Emperor, and the formation of a more representative form of government, perhaps in coalition with the White Lotus.

 

[alex994]

When you people refer to 'Mongolia' are you referring to Inner or Outer Mongolia or both? To be honest, you can give an arguement that Sinkiang is part of "present-day China" but Samarkand?

And I don't understand why the Mongolians and etc are to be formed under an autonomous region under Dalnorossia when they had all that under the Qing Empire!

 

[Thlayli]

"Present Day China" refers to China's borders before World War One. Autonomous, meaning they'll be locally independent, but under joint Sino-Dalnorossian control.

 

[alex994]

"Present day China" refers to China's borders before World War One.

I was under the impression 'present day china' refered to present day PRC.... Because that's why it's "present day china" and not pre ww1 China...

 

[Disenfrancised]

There seem to be two separate treaties circulating: The one proposed by the FK on this page, and the one that Azale has been presented.

Apparently so, I did send that other treaty to you didn't I Stormbringer? When will you next be on MSN?

 

[silver 2039]

And er, no way will we have peace in current borders (Since chances are that the borders will change after this year). Do keep in mind that you're currently fighting a three front war, so you have very few leverages to work with

And keep in mind that If all else fails I will destroy you.