NES2 V - The Great Game.
- Thread starter das
- Start date
- Status
silver 2039
Deity
- Joined
- Jul 26, 2003
- Messages
- 16,208
Lord_Iggy said:
Well I have greater resonacne with nomadic barbarbaian type people. The Ottomans are to civillized.
Israelite9191
You should be reading
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the FK have colonies in Ethiopia (majority Ethiopian Orthodox, a division of the Coptic Orthodox Church) and Egypt which has a large, if not majority, Coptic Orthodox population? Same with Sudan, and Israel. I believe there are also decently sized populations of Orthodox Christians in parts of India. Furthermore, the importance of the movement primarily would be in Europe (well, also Ethiopia) where the main battle front s (if I am correct) are centered in Eastern Europe, Central Europe, North Eastern Europe/Eastern Scandinavia, the Balkans, and immediately next to European Russia Asian Russia (for lack of a better term). These, of course are either a) majority Orthodox or b) have large Orthodox populations.Disenfrancised said:
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
Those Colonies it took over from the Ottomans, and they are all small and coastal anyway so I'd have assumed them to be majority muslim with the Ethiopians still being free in the highlands and not under the Federate Banner. And they freely choose federate protection when the ottomans collapsed really.Israelite9191 said:
Your probably right about all the rest though, it just depends on how effective your religious message is really.
Eh? do you mean the urals region?
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
I have a PoD.
Persian scientists invent the Gatling Gun, or Adat Gun in this timeline, on the brink of the FK invasion in 1869. The successful replication of this weapon on the battlefields culminated in the Battle of Yazd, in which FK conscripts were mowed down by the new Persian superweapon, allowing them to recapture Basra and Shiraz by 1870.
This was combined with successful campaigns in Arabia, despite the FK's knowledge of some Persian plans.
A massive Orthodox rebellion begins in 1870 in Polish and Romanian territories. The Polish armies, caught between an advancing Muscovite force and rebelling Ukrainians, is destroyed.
Finally, Federate confidence collapses after the successful assassination of King George by French assassins of unknown origin, suspected Nationalists. All committed suicide after killing the King from hidden positions on Buckingham Palace, while their fellow agents provided a diversionary attack on Parliament.
At this point, Persian diplomats contact Federate officials through an intermediary in Geneva. In return for restoring the French Empire and recognizing Egypt and several other Muslim nations, Persia and France acknowledged the massive Federate gains in South America and Africa of the past decade, and cease the war which, even now, the Federate people were calling an end to. Dalnorossia, in return for ceding the North American territories back to France, would be compensated by the lion's share of former Qing territory.
Finland was partitioned, and most of Eastern Europe was placed under the control of the Orthodoxia, as the rebel group was called, now the Orthodox Federation.
And Persia would retain all of it's former gains in Arabia and Iraq. As the diplomats in Verseilles sat back, comforting in their massive redrawing of the world's borders, they were merely setting the stage for greater conflicts to come...
Map coming soon.
Persian scientists invent the Gatling Gun, or Adat Gun in this timeline, on the brink of the FK invasion in 1869. The successful replication of this weapon on the battlefields culminated in the Battle of Yazd, in which FK conscripts were mowed down by the new Persian superweapon, allowing them to recapture Basra and Shiraz by 1870.
This was combined with successful campaigns in Arabia, despite the FK's knowledge of some Persian plans.
A massive Orthodox rebellion begins in 1870 in Polish and Romanian territories. The Polish armies, caught between an advancing Muscovite force and rebelling Ukrainians, is destroyed.
Finally, Federate confidence collapses after the successful assassination of King George by French assassins of unknown origin, suspected Nationalists. All committed suicide after killing the King from hidden positions on Buckingham Palace, while their fellow agents provided a diversionary attack on Parliament.
At this point, Persian diplomats contact Federate officials through an intermediary in Geneva. In return for restoring the French Empire and recognizing Egypt and several other Muslim nations, Persia and France acknowledged the massive Federate gains in South America and Africa of the past decade, and cease the war which, even now, the Federate people were calling an end to. Dalnorossia, in return for ceding the North American territories back to France, would be compensated by the lion's share of former Qing territory.
Finland was partitioned, and most of Eastern Europe was placed under the control of the Orthodoxia, as the rebel group was called, now the Orthodox Federation.
And Persia would retain all of it's former gains in Arabia and Iraq. As the diplomats in Verseilles sat back, comforting in their massive redrawing of the world's borders, they were merely setting the stage for greater conflicts to come...
Map coming soon.
MjM
Deity
What about Portugal? I didnt die by then..
MjM
Deity
Nevermind, I did. 
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Yes, in answer to your questions, I was on the brink of developing the Gatling Gun. We'll never know if it was used or not...
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Why not? I didn't include it in the PoD map, but it needs cleaning up anyways.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
Thlayli said:
This would have an almost diametricaly opposite effect to what you think it will do.
Tehe, you missed out a large number of events that would have occured in 1870, and that was just *my* orders. I fact you missed out sweden entirely and they are one of the biggest players military wise and could quite possibly defeat mucovy on their own)
Just a quick point the conscripts don't make up that much of the FK army anymore...
And a machine gun would have been replicated by the federates with a year or two (coming up with stuff is hard, copying is easy). You probably would have clawed back the middle east...but restoring the french empire? That I find highly dubious
Bring on the map though!
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Eh, the FK accepts Julien, in return for an end to war and a recognition of massive territorial gains. It's not a bad deal, especially if the FK suffered major casualties in 1870. Even if the FK copied the gun, it would have a HUGE impact.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Meh, map's not working. It is uploaded though, if anyone can pull it off.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
Thlayli said:
They don't need a recognition of territorial gains
hurry up with the map - I want to see it before I go to bed . Upload it to image shack, or PM it to me and I'll put it up.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
I can't find it in the uploads folder...
4.50am
The joys of coursework deadlines
Thlayli, come on MSN and we'll have a look for it.
4.50am
The joys of coursework deadlines
Thlayli, come on MSN and we'll have a look for it.
MjM
Deity
I cant find it thy
Edit: crosspost
Edit: crosspost
Israelite9191
You should be reading
About Egypt, I believe Iggy that you over estimate the effect of the Islamisation. Egypt in OTL remained under Ottoman and thus Muslim control for an even longer period, up until the end of OTL WWI IIRC. After a brief period under Britain, again IIRC, they became an independent Egyptian state. I believe they entered into union with Syria and Iraq for a brief period of time, but the Pan Arab Union quickly collapsed. However, throughout the Turkification, Islamification, and Arabification, modern Egypt remains 10% Coptic Orthodox. A major Orthodox movement in the area could result in some serious damage and bloody guerilla style civil war, certianly enough to draw Federate attention.
As for Ethiopia, I didn't realize the Federate colonies were only coastal, this still, however, means a large Orthodox population. The only areas of 'Greater Ethiopia' which are majority Muslim are the Eritrean ports, the city of Djibouti, and scaterred provinces. As soon as you get away from the coastal cities like Masawa it becomes much more Orthodox, even in Eritrea. Also, IIRC, Sudan was under FK control, and Sudan, while majority Muslim, has large Orthodox populations (see southern province that may secceed and Darfur). Also, don't underestimate the binding and radicalising force of being a minority.
Oh, and Thayli, Orthodoxia in Greek literraly means "Orthodoxy." Thus, it would be kind of odd for the group to call itself Orthodoxy, when that is the name of the religion as a whole. The name I gave myself, Orthodoxia e Thanatos, which literally means in Greek "Orthodoxy or Death" was chosen becuase radical Orthodox flags in OTL, particularly in Greece, often display this motto. That monastery in Greece that opposed the Patriarch flies this flag.
As for Ethiopia, I didn't realize the Federate colonies were only coastal, this still, however, means a large Orthodox population. The only areas of 'Greater Ethiopia' which are majority Muslim are the Eritrean ports, the city of Djibouti, and scaterred provinces. As soon as you get away from the coastal cities like Masawa it becomes much more Orthodox, even in Eritrea. Also, IIRC, Sudan was under FK control, and Sudan, while majority Muslim, has large Orthodox populations (see southern province that may secceed and Darfur). Also, don't underestimate the binding and radicalising force of being a minority.
Oh, and Thayli, Orthodoxia in Greek literraly means "Orthodoxy." Thus, it would be kind of odd for the group to call itself Orthodoxy, when that is the name of the religion as a whole. The name I gave myself, Orthodoxia e Thanatos, which literally means in Greek "Orthodoxy or Death" was chosen becuase radical Orthodox flags in OTL, particularly in Greece, often display this motto. That monastery in Greece that opposed the Patriarch flies this flag.
- Status
