NES2 VI - Last Semblance of Order.
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Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
You know, I really do hate it when other players, especially new ones, tell the rest of us that we are stupid and do not know how to play the game and that they can come up with so many different reasons for why we are all wrong and they are the only ones who are right and are so much better than everyone else. Just an observation.
Symphony D.
Deity
OOC: They would be their own powerful states. You will note, by looking at dis's charts, that virtually all of France's allies were on the verge of Great Power status. In fact, the closest one was Germany. You don't need a single superpower to rally around when you have a bunch of slightly less powerful states.
Oh well though.
Oh well though.
Cuivienen
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Symphony D. said:
Like I said, then you need many countries to turn traitor at once. It just wouldn't happen. Five, six, seven allies of France conspiring together against it and not a single one ratting out? I highly doubt it, particularly since many of France's allies had bones to pick with each other (most notably the Byzantines and Ottomans).
Symphony D.
Deity
OOC: In terms of raw economic output, even 3-4 great powers could still take on France with a chance of winning, especially if more joined in. It doesn't help France's case that it's really spread out. It could also be an FK situation. In terms of one's own abilities as a country however, it is superior to a cold war type situation where everyone is a pawn of either bloc. Monopolar environments allow far greater autonomy and freedom You can also always wait for the lone superpower to get bogged down elsewhere.
It's a freakin' game. But if you want to take it so seriously, then whatever. I've neither the desire nor the patience for a flamewar over something so inconsequential, so I'm done talking about it.
If you're talking to me, I'm not new. Also, given your own propensity to explode, call people all sorts of names and fling insults left and right from a position of perceived self-superiority, only to get banned for misconduct, perhaps you should follow your own advice. We're just discussing the situation from an outside point of view, from which, yes, Germany's decision is kinda quirky. If it's so terribly annoying to you, don't read it.Storm said:
It's a freakin' game. But if you want to take it so seriously, then whatever. I've neither the desire nor the patience for a flamewar over something so inconsequential, so I'm done talking about it.
andis-1 said:
Yea, good idea, especially since Storm is overreacting.
Oh, and France "betrayed" you because you invaded ME! Me, being Italy, a nice wealthy little regional power who was essentially tied (and allied) to France. I could not betray them if I wanted to. Still, you invaded me and did not offer to withdraw. So France decided to pwn you so there would be no divisions in her alliance. Makes sense to me.
Disenfrancised
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speak of the devil
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[U]Nation Econ EC Total[/U]
[I]Superpower (more than 1/3 ahead of next greatest power)[/I]
[COLOR="Blue"]Kingdom of France 6 25 31[/COLOR]
[I]Great Power (11+)[/I]
[COLOR="Sienna"]Russian Union 4 14 18[/COLOR]
[I]Powers (6-10)[/I]
[COLOR="blue"]Estados Unidos de América 2 7 9[/COLOR]
[COLOR="sienna"]Republic of Greater Germany 3 6 9[/COLOR]
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]Kingdom of Portugal 2 5 7[/COLOR]
[COLOR="sienna"]Byzantine Empire 1 6 7[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]Ottoman Empire 3 4 7[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]Japanese Empire 1 6 7
Kingdom of England 2 4 6
Kingdom of Denmark-Norway 2 4 6
The Papal States/Holy League of Italy 2 4 6[/COLOR]
[I]Important Nations (3-5)[/I]
[COLOR="Sienna"]Republic of Sweden 3 2 5[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]Mughal Empire 1 3 4[/COLOR]
Xin Han Chinese Empire 1 3 4
Imperial Republic of the Chinese 2 1 3
Empire of Kanem-Bornu 2 1 3
[I]Minor Nations (<2)[/I]
Incan Empire 1 1 2
[COLOR="blue"]Gallician Republic 2 0 2[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]Kingdom of Finland 1 0 1[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Sienna"]Empire of Abyssinia 1 0 1[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]Kingdom of Euskardi 1 0 1[/COLOR]
Kingdom of Segu 1 0 1
Kingdom of Sennar 0 0 0makes sence, yeah, but I still take that as betrayal. And IC, augsburgs had been frances ally for god knows how long and you were spanish ally back then. But things change, aye?Azale said:
but anyway, maybe we should create another thread for all this ooc discussion so that the main thread would stay "clean".
edit: dis, russia has 15 ec's.
Disenfrancised
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andis-1 said:
I make 14, remember the Dneipr one is under French control.
Disenfrancised
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"8" is under French control if you look closely 
Reno
The Studio Ghibli Fanatic
I may be under a modem connection for now, but I'm still watching. Keep the 'OOC' stuff to a minimum, please.
Kentharu
Zebra Commander
*cries* you guys said i would be saaaafe!!!... oh and don't you think it would be a better idea to just move your troops through my nation, and keep it alive? its smarter as in i stilll have 2 econ points to put to the training of soldiers and what not so yea...
ill take the incas then
Incan Empire
Capital: Cuzco
Ruler: Sapa-Inca Tupac Amaru II
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Tech. Level: Early Industrial Age
Army (Training): 5 divisions (Tolerable), 8 irregular divisions
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Not Bad (+1)
Size (points required): Medium (2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Barely Tolerable/Tolerable
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Educated
Living Standards: Very Low
Culture: Average
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: The Quechua - subjects of the Sapa-Incas of past - have survived the best of all the Amerind peoples and cultures conquered. Time and again they raised general revolts - the previous one was defeated in 1745. But it was not a complete defeat, the Quechua leaders simply retreated, and as Spain crumbled further and further, one of them, by his birthright, has claimed the title of Sapa-Inca. By then the French, the Portuguese and the Continentalists had already broken the Spanish might, and so the rebirth of the Incan Empire is by now a fact. But there still is much work to do if the glory of the ancient empire is to be revived...
ill take the incas then
Incan Empire
Capital: Cuzco
Ruler: Sapa-Inca Tupac Amaru II
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Tech. Level: Early Industrial Age
Army (Training): 5 divisions (Tolerable), 8 irregular divisions
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Not Bad (+1)
Size (points required): Medium (2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Barely Tolerable/Tolerable
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Educated
Living Standards: Very Low
Culture: Average
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: The Quechua - subjects of the Sapa-Incas of past - have survived the best of all the Amerind peoples and cultures conquered. Time and again they raised general revolts - the previous one was defeated in 1745. But it was not a complete defeat, the Quechua leaders simply retreated, and as Spain crumbled further and further, one of them, by his birthright, has claimed the title of Sapa-Inca. By then the French, the Portuguese and the Continentalists had already broken the Spanish might, and so the rebirth of the Incan Empire is by now a fact. But there still is much work to do if the glory of the ancient empire is to be revived...
Symphony D.
Deity
TO: Xin Han
FROM: Empire of Japan
In light of more pressing matters, the Chinese Civil War is of rather diminished concern to us, and we would be willing to sign a ceasefire in lieu of a more permanent settlement.
FROM: Empire of Japan
In light of more pressing matters, the Chinese Civil War is of rather diminished concern to us, and we would be willing to sign a ceasefire in lieu of a more permanent settlement.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
We have much to discuss Kentharu if your taking the Incas. I'll send you a PM with some proposals.
