Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

[Kimiimaro]

Ashanti 18
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Carthaginians 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 14
Ethiopians 21
Georgians 17
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 16
Hebrews 12+1=13 - It's a very good choice for a Civ. It shouldn't leave so soon...
Hittites 16
Incas 23
Iroquois 20
Italians 5
Khmer 23
Koreans 23
Malians 22
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 23
Mongols 19
Ottoman Turks 20
Siamese 3-3=0 (ELIMINATED) - Two or three Civs from SE Asia should be enough to cover this region. One is probably going to be Indonesia, and I prefer Khmer to be the second Civ. Siam is welcomed, but it was already in Civ V, so it can wait a little bit.
Tibetans 15

 

[Zaarin]

Sure, simple enough. How many World Civ classes mention the Armenians vs. how many mention the Hebrews?

Hebrew religion, law and culture have had significant world-changing effects.

I'd be more inclined to call that an indictment of Western education, which is profoundly uninterested in any culture that hasn't immediately affected it, than an indictment of Armenia. I mean, my dad is a middle school world history teacher and I've seen his textbook. There are no fewer than five chapters on Rome (plus three more on Greece!) and one on China that gives a whirlwind tour from Warring States to Ming. Insane.

 

[The Kingmaker]

I'd be more inclined to call that an indictment of Western education, which is profoundly uninterested in any culture that hasn't immediately affected it, than an indictment of Armenia. I mean, my dad is a middle school world history teacher and I've seen his textbook. There are no fewer than five chapters on Rome (plus three more on Greece!) and one on China that gives a whirlwind tour from Warring States to Ming. Insane.

Just count your lucky stars that those poor middle scholars got any world history at all. Public education is vastly imbalanced across the US.

However, I was referring to university history courses, which have by and large migrated away from "Western Civ" to a more balanced "World Civ" course.

 

[Zaarin]

Just count your lucky stars that those poor middle scholars got any world history at all. Public education is vastly imbalanced across the US.

However, I was referring to university history courses, which have by and large migrated away from "Western Civ" to a more balanced "World Civ" course.

Ironically I'm a history minor and took no world history courses in college. I took "Age of Jefferson" (a course on how to dislike Jefferson more than I already did ), Native American history (which, on account of my professor's interests, was basically the history of the Mississippians and their successors with sidebars on the Comanche and Iroquois ), Crusades & Jihad, and Culture of the Middle Ages (the latter two being my favorites). My university unfortunately didn't offer much world history.

 

[Siptah]

I also wonder why anyone would choose a world civ course? I mean, if there is a certain topic and that is examined worldwide, ok - this is done all the time and I can understand it. But a world civ history course? What would the goal of the professor and use for the students be? It's of course needed nowadays to have some courses looking beyond your major subject of choice, but the whole world and history - isn't it like wasted time if you scratch on the surfaces and hear some names instead of getting some detailed knowledge on certain regions or time frames?
It sounds more like a course for laymen interested in history than for professionals trying to get training.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Ironically I'm a history minor and took no world history courses in college. I took "Age of Jefferson" (a course on how to dislike Jefferson more than I already did ), Native American history (which, on account of my professor's interests, was basically the history of the Mississippians and their successors with sidebars on the Comanche and Iroquois ), Crusades & Jihad, and Culture of the Middle Ages (the latter two being my favorites). My university unfortunately didn't offer much world history.

I assume you placed out of the mandatory General Ed. World Civ course?

I've got both a BA and an MA in history and both of my schools required that courses from at least three world regions be included in student plans of study.

Of course, that was just for history students. Everyone else had to take 2 US history and 2 world history courses.

 

[luigilime]

Ashanti 18
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Carthaginians 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 14
Ethiopians 21
Georgians 17
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 16
Hebrews 13-3=10 everything I learned about them in my life was through the church and catechism to become a Catholic, never read a line about them in my history books until WW2.
As I already said everything important they did is connected to their religion and it's already in the game there are better options than them
Hittites 16
Incas 23
Iroquois 20
Italians 5+1=6 I don't know I feel like I need to save them at least for a few more turns
Khmer 23
Koreans 23
Malians 22
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 23
Mongols 19
Ottoman Turks 20
Tibetans 15

 

[The Kingmaker]

I also wonder why anyone would choose a world civ course? I mean, if there is a certain topic and that is examined worldwide, ok - this is done all the time and I can understand it. But a world civ history course? What would the goal of the professor and use for the students be? It's of course needed nowadays to have some courses looking beyond your major subject of choice, but the whole world and history - isn't it like wasted time if you scratch on the surfaces and hear some names instead of getting some detailed knowledge on certain regions or time frames?
It sounds more like a course for laymen interested in history than for professionals trying to get training.

It is indeed directed at "laymen," which is precisely my point.

There is a certain threshold for what can be considered significant enough to include in such a course, given its limitations.

For most college-educated people (non-history students), such courses constitute the majority of their exposure to the subject.

I've served as a TA for several such courses, approached from a few different viewpoints and themes.

 

[Guandao]

Ashanti 18
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Carthaginians 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA (14+1)=15 They can be a decent alternative to the Iroquois. They were adapting to Euro-American culture, but some still kept their traditions (ended up resulting in a civil war). Most ended up evicted by the Americans to Oklahoma, yet they are still around (like the Cherokee, Seminole, Choctaw/Chickasaw). This is a minor reason, but I've already heard Mohawk spoken twice in a Civ game (Civ4 and 5, plus Assassin's Creed 3 ), and I would like to hear another Amerindian language spoken in-game (even Sioux).
Ethiopians 21
Georgians 17
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 16
Hebrews 10
Hittites 16
Incas 23
Iroquois 20-3=17 I'm kind of sick of them, and I wasn't satisfied with their presentation in Civ5. They are notable for their confederacy, but were very warlike in the colonial era, basically destroying most of their neighbors and linguistic relatives (Erie, Neutral, Wenro, Laurentian, Huron, little known Ohio valley peoples, Susquehannock etc). Plus Hiawatha is boring as a leader (his Civ pedia were incredibly short in Civ5) and there was no Longhouse in his leaderscreen. I want another Native American people to take their slot.
Italians 6
Khmer 23
Koreans 23
Malians 22
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 23
Mongols 19
Ottoman Turks 20
Tibetans 15

 

[Morningcalm]

Ashanti 18
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Carthaginians 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 15
Ethiopians 21
Georgians 17
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 16
Hebrews 10 + 1 = 11 (Undeniable religious influence exceeding that of any remaining here on this list, and given that Civ VI introduces a religious victory, it makes sense for Hebrews to be in the game. Furthermore, as Hezekiah's defiance of the Assyrian Empire shows, the Hebrews were not just some backwater township civ. They were a significant player in relations with neighboring empires and civs, ranging from Babylon to the Phoenicians to Egypt and Assyria)
Hittites 16
Incas 23
Iroquois 17
Italians 6 - 3 = 3 (Europeans are not a priority, are already overrepresented in Civ VI, and the Italians as a civ are far less interesting than literally every single other option remaining. luigilime's criticism of Hebrews already being in Civ VI is hilarious given that only Jerusalem is in the game, not Hebrews (who have never been in a Civ game), whereas we actually have Rome and Romans in Civ already, and have had them for every Civ game ever.)
Khmer 23
Koreans 23
Malians 22
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 23
Mongols 19
Ottoman Turks 20
Tibetans 15

 

[God of Kings]

CdM also introduced ice cream to the French.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson enjoyed eating ice cream.

 

[God of Kings]

Ashanti 18
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Carthaginians 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 15
Ethiopians 21
Georgians 17
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 16
Hebrews 11 + 1 = 12 This should be in a Civ game
Hittites 16
Incas 23
Iroquois 17
Italians 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED Better luck in Civ VII
Khmer 23
Koreans 23
Malians 22
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 23
Mongols 19
Ottoman Turks 20
Tibetans 15

 

[luigilime]

Well the Italians lasted longer than expected so I guess it was time for them after all.

 

[Zaarin]

I assume you placed out of the mandatory General Ed. World Civ course?

I've got both a BA and an MA in history and both of my schools required that courses from at least three world regions be included in student plans of study.

Of course, that was just for history students. Everyone else had to take 2 US history and 2 world history courses.

I've sort of blocked my first two years of college out of my mind (it was glorified high school and I hated it until I got into my major), but I think I filled my history requirements partly with anthropology courses and partly with an AP American history course I took in high school. (From my classes taken you'd think I was really interested in American history, but to be honest it's just what was available. ) I originally intended to major in literature and minor in anthropology, but my branch of the university didn't offer more than general anthropology classes so I minored in history instead.

 

[conorbebe]

Ashanti 18
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15 (18 - 3) I think some Africa overcrowding to actually become a thing, and I'd prefer to see the Ashanti.
Carthaginians 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 15
Ethiopians 21
Georgians 17
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 16
Hebrews 12
Hittites 16
Incas 23
Iroquois 17
Khmer 23
Koreans 23
Malians 22
Maori/Other Polynesians 23 (22 + 1) This region needs some better representation.
Mayans 23
Mongols 19
Ottoman Turks 20
Tibetans 15

 

[Manifold]

Ashanti 18
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 12 (15-3) How do they get into this list!
Carthaginians 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 15
Ethiopians 21
Georgians 17
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 16
Hebrews 12
Hittites 16
Incas 23
Iroquois 17
Khmer 23
Koreans 23
Malians 22
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Mayans 23
Mongols 20 (19+1) most militarily successful Civ in history
Ottoman Turks 20
Tibetans 15

 

[Guandao]

Ashanti 18
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 12 (15-3) How do they get into this list!
Carthaginians 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 15
Ethiopians 21
Georgians 17
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 16
Hebrews 12
Hittites 16
Incas 23
Iroquois 17
Khmer 23
Koreans 23
Malians 22
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Mayans 23
Mongols 20 (19+1) most militarily successful Civ in history
Ottoman Turks 20
Tibetans 15

Looks who's back! And with his anti-Benin fury!
I really don't get why people here prefer Ashanti to Benin/Dahomey. Their territory wasn't much bigger than the other two. For me, there is no such thing as overcrowding, especially for a region of Africa that has never been represented in the Civ franchise before (Mali/Songhai don't count, cause they were Saharan, land-locked and Muslim).

Good thing I helped eliminate Vietnam , though Siam and Burma ended up being casualties . I guess people think one Civ is enough for mainland SE Asia. It's important to remember than many Civ players don't always play on TSL maps, including me. The Earth map made by Firaxis kind of stinks.

Perhaps Ed Beach should cram the first expansion with all European/or Middle Eastern/or East Asian Civs. Aren't those always the more important in humanity's history? I don't include Maya or Incas, because their legacy didn't survive colonization (Thank you Spain! ). Quechua and Mayan languages will go extinct eventually at this rate.

 

[Manifold]

Looks who's back! And with his anti-Benin fury!
I really don't get why people here prefer Ashanti to Benin/Dahomey. Their territory wasn't much bigger than the other two....

It is nice to have all my fans - sorry, correct: the fans of the Microsoft games about unimportant cultures reunited.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Ashanti 18
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 12
Carthaginians 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 15
Ethiopians 21
Georgians 17
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 16
Hebrews 12+1=13 What more is there to say? We've debated it back and forth and up and down. Considering the stiff competition, I think I would be more than content if they just make it to say, 15th or 16th place.
Hittites 16
Incas 23
Iroquois 17-3=14 I don't know who to down-vote! Tough choices indeed. I picked the Iroquois because I'd rather down-vote them than the other Native Americans featured here. Wasn't particularly fond of the interpretations of Hiawatha in Civ3 and Civ5 either.
Khmer 23
Koreans 23
Malians 22
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Mayans 23
Mongols 20
Ottoman Turks 20
Tibetans 15

 

[Zaarin]

Ashanti 18
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 12
Carthaginians 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 15
Ethiopians 21
Georgians 18 (17 + 1) -- Must bolster Georgia; King Tamar demands it.
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 16
Hebrews 13
Hittites 16
Incas 23
Iroquois 14
Khmer 23
Koreans 23
Malians 22
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Mayans 23
Mongols 20
Ottoman Turks 20
Tibetans 12 (15 - 3) -- Not going to happen nor do I particularly wish for it to.