conorbebe
King
Goths 6 (5 + 1)
Hungarians 14
Italians 43
Mughals 6 (9 - 3)
Hungarians 14
Italians 43
Mughals 6 (9 - 3)
Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game
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Goths 6-3=3
Hungarians 14
Italians 43
Mughals 6+1=7
Nein!
Hungarians 14
Italians 43
Mughals 6+1=7
Nein!
God of Kings
Ruler of all heads of state
Goths 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED Too depressing
Hungarians 14
Italians 43 + 1 = 44 Let me bring this round closer to its conclusion
Mughals 7
Hungarians 14
Italians 43 + 1 = 44 Let me bring this round closer to its conclusion
Mughals 7
Too late again. 
Hungarians 14
Italians 41 (44 - 3) -- I'm fighting the inevitable, I know. But I have yet to see a compelling argument why Italy should win with such a landslide. I'm personally astonished to see it in the top 5.
Mughals 8 (7 + 1) -- If Alexander can have his own little civ, I see no reason we can't balkanize other regions--regions that have been unfairly lumped together in the first place, in India's case.
Hungarians 14
Italians 41 (44 - 3) -- I'm fighting the inevitable, I know. But I have yet to see a compelling argument why Italy should win with such a landslide. I'm personally astonished to see it in the top 5.
Mughals 8 (7 + 1) -- If Alexander can have his own little civ, I see no reason we can't balkanize other regions--regions that have been unfairly lumped together in the first place, in India's case.
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Hungarians 14+1=15 Right now it's a battle for second place, I like to see Hungary a little more than the Mughals.
Italians 43
Mughals 8-3=5 Hey third place isn't bad.
Italians 43
Mughals 8-3=5 Hey third place isn't bad.
luigilime
Prince
well first out of all the major western European countries Italy is the only one that was never represented or with only city-states, even though Italy is the beginner of the Renaissance (yes we know there wouldn't be the Italian Renaissance without the french one etc cetera, but you have to admit that the Renaissance era in the game is based on the Italian one and many illuminist scholars considered the italian Renaissance to be the end of the middle ages and the start of a new era, not the french Renaissance, not the Carolingian one.)
Second the great people mechanic in the game, that makes your civilization great in some way, is full of Italians, and a lot of important discoveries and inventions were made by Italians. Third if we can have two greeces, bloody Macedon and Australia then why not Italy that contributed more on the world stage than at least the latter two.
Fourth the new leader mechanic, even though it's should be changed for a few civs, it's perfect for a renaissance and modern Italian civ having quite a few leaders not based in Rome.
I can go on if you want, but of this doesn't convince you then I have no idea of what could.
RFormica
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Hungarians 12 (15 - 3) Mid-sized power on an over-represented continent. May have been important to regional politics and culturally distinct, but the same could of dozens, if not hundreds, of other options.
Italians 42
Mughals 3 (2 + 1) India is more than large enough and diverse enough to have two civs in a game where Europe has 10, and I don't think an alternate leader on top of India's civ abilities would do the Mughals justice.
Italians 42
Mughals 3 (2 + 1) India is more than large enough and diverse enough to have two civs in a game where Europe has 10, and I don't think an alternate leader on top of India's civ abilities would do the Mughals justice.
Hungarians 12
Italians 42 + 1 = 43 They are the winners, so do not need to lengthen this round anymore
Mughals 3 - 3 = 0 Eliminated. I would not mind if the Mughals were a civ, but I still prefer that they be represented by an alternative leader of the India.
Italians 42 + 1 = 43 They are the winners, so do not need to lengthen this round anymore
Mughals 3 - 3 = 0 Eliminated. I would not mind if the Mughals were a civ, but I still prefer that they be represented by an alternative leader of the India.
Akbar's actual religious stance is basically India's civ ability. Akbar was a leader that pretty much defines religious but not fundamentalist or dogmatic. So much so that Islamic scholars of the time criticized his religious policies considering he was promoting a syncretic version of Islam that took the view that everybody worshiped Allah in their own way by they Hindu, Sikh, or Christian.
I think these are all excellent reasons why Italy should be in the game (well, except the first one; Italy is not and has never really been a "major Western European country"--while its individual city-states have been enormously influential, it has done nothing of note since the 16th century--except be the only European power to lose a war to an African nation--and I guess it was pretty influential in helping Germany lose WW2
); none of that really explain why it has triple the points of its next competitor (and that Hungary somehow took the second slot is perhaps even more baffling, and I say that as someone who would like to see Hungary in game). Also, as someone who would like to strongly argue that neither Macedon nor Australia ought to be in game, arguing that it's better than them is not a terribly convincing argument. But since Macedon is in game, I say balkanize everything: let's add the Mughals and Sri Lanka alongside India; let's add the Cordoba Caliphate alongside Arabia; let's add Palmyra, Mitanni, Elam, and every second-rate Mesopotamian satellite state we can find; let's add Nubia in between Egypt and Ethiopia; let's add Wessex led by Alfred the Great; let's add Brittany led by Jehanne de Montfort; balkanize everything. That's very true. In fact ,as I understand it, Akbar is considered the founder of his own religion, Din i-Ilahi. India's traits would fit Shah Jahan more poorly, however.
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Hungarians 12-3=9 They only need three more people to down-vote them to take second, let's let them take their place with dignity.
Italians 43+1=44 Let's let them earn their gold for once.
Once this is wrapped up, I'll start the Winners' Bracket (Round 5) and all our daily voting timers will reset.
Italians 43+1=44 Let's let them earn their gold for once.
Once this is wrapped up, I'll start the Winners' Bracket (Round 5) and all our daily voting timers will reset.
Boris Gudenuf
Deity
Argentines 7 (10 - 3) - A good Post-Colonial civ, but since Civ handles colonies so poorly in the first place, not a high choice.
Goths 20 (19 + 1) - With two distinctive Gothic civilizations, at least as good a choice as the Squabbling City States of Italy.
Hungarians 22
Italians 35 - how did they jump 10?
Mughals 16 - how did they drop 10?
Goths 20 (19 + 1) - With two distinctive Gothic civilizations, at least as good a choice as the Squabbling City States of Italy.
Hungarians 22
Italians 35 - how did they jump 10?
Mughals 16 - how did they drop 10?
Argentines, Goths and Mughals are eliminated, Hungarians have 6 points and Italians have 45 points now.
luigilime
Prince
Hungarians 6-3=3
Italians 45+1=46
Italians 45+1=46
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
Italians win with 47 points!
luigilime
Prince
Congratulations Italy is the winner of the losers
RFormica
Imperator Silvae
I had pizza for dinner, so now I know why.I'm still baffled that the Italians had such a runaway victory. Top 5, sure--but to beat the next competitor by 47 points...
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