Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

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Algonquian (Any) 7
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) (16+1)=17 I think they are both significant in West African history. Dahomey for its Fon culture (including Vodun). and Benin for representing Nigeria (a very culturally and linguistically diverse place, plus nice Benin Bronzes)
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 15
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4
Nepalese 13
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 14
Phoenicians (18-3)=15 Meh, better left as City-States. Their rulers are either known for complaining to the Egyptian Pharoah in the Amarna letters, or helping Solomon build his temple. So many other Civs will capture the trading aspect (Portugal, Netherlands, for example)
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 14
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 11
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 2
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14
 
The Kingmaker said:
Poor Scythia always gets forgotten in these conversations.
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Well, Scythia in the game is mostly based on Asian Scyths (Scythi? Scythians?), which is evident with Tomyris, ruler of Massagetae tribe, which was based in Central Asia, being the leader, and capital being Pokrovka, which is in Kazakhstan. Civilopedia even explicitly states they are Asian, despite civ's city list including many kurgans from Ukraine and Southern Russia
 
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UkrNixon said:
Well, Scythia in the game is mostly based on Asian Scyths (Scythi? Scythians?), which is evident with Tomyris being the leader, and capital being Pokrovka, which is in Kazakhstan. Civilopedia even explicitly states they are Asian, despite including many kurgans from Ukraine and Southern Russia
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They're Eurasian.
 
The Kingmaker said:
They're Eurasian.
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Pretty much. One can't just simply say that a nomadic Eurasian tribe confederation covers an Eastern European centralized state.

Also, guys, by this logic, we wouldn't have both Babylon and Sumer in the franchise. There are many more examples of geographical overlap not precluding inclusion of certain civs, really
 
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Algonquian (Any) 7
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 15
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4
Nepalese 13
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 14-3=11 If anything is crowded, its mesoamerica with all their already existing civs. (It would be crowded with any more)
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 14
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 11
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 2+1=3 Deserves a chance.
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14
 
Algonquian (Any) 7
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 15
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20 + 1 = 21 Totem poles are awesome and they also were responsible for the existence of redwood forests
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4
Nepalese 13
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 11
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 14
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 11
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED They're practically Russia (oh, and Russia has their unique unit)
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14
 
God of Kings said:
Algonquian (Any) 7
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 15
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20 + 1 = 21 Totem poles are awesome and they also were responsible for the existence of redwood forests
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4
Nepalese 13
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 11
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 14
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 11
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED They're practically Russia (oh, and Russia has their unique unit)
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14
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PRACTICALLY RUSSIA?
What is this forum
I'm disappointed in you all.
 
Algonquian (Any) 7
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 15
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 21
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4
Nepalese 13
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 11+1=12
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 14
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18-3=15
Tibetans 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14

Yup. Meso-America is TOTALLY overcrowded with all of its civs. All one of them. EVENTUALLY all two of them. And being so close to South America puts it in a bad spot too, with all one civ taking up the whole continent (eventually all two civs taking up a whole continent). No room for the biggest innovator and cultural building block for hundreds of miles.

As for Chola both Mughals and Mauryas outrank them for preference if we are going to start breaking down India into its constituent parts, and I'm still neutral on that idea anyway.
 
Kimiimaro said:
@Amrunril, if Bohemia can't be in game because HRE themed Germany is there, then why do we have India, Australia and USA when we have England resembling the English colonial empire? And I have to say, Bohemia and Germany are two completely different countries. Bohemia is a Slavic country, Germany is a Germanic country. Language of Bohemia is (was?) Czech, language of Germany is German. Language of all England, Australia and USA is English, they are quite similar countries and they were all under English empire, and they are all in game, so I don't see a reason why two different countries that were in one union shouldn't be in game. I'd love to start upvoting something else, but I simply can't, because my homeland is in constant danger.
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To be fair, India is home to about a sixth of the world’s population, Australia is the first representative of its continent in any civ game, and the United States is a globally dominant superpower. Equally important is the distinction that the US and India (I won’t fight too hard in favor of Australia) are recognized primarily for their history outside the British Empire, while your arguments in favor of Bohemia draw heavily on its history within the HRE.

I recognize that there’s a lot of room for disagreement about when to lump and split similar civs or those that were, to some degree, politically unified, and I understand that there’s a desire to draw these lines in a way that recognizes the civs whose uniqueness and achievements we’re most familiar with. At the same time though, Europe already is represented far more detail than the rest of the world, and it’s hard to imagine that, in any other region, a federation resembling the HRE in terms of organization, diversity and regional power would even be considered as a candidate for multiple civs.

Algonquian (Any) 7
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 15
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 21
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4
Nepalese 13
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13 (12 + 1) The Maya are a great civ choice and the Aztecs a decent one, but there's no reason for them to preclude ever adding another civ to the region.
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 11 (14 - 3) If no one's found a reason to upvote this civ in 7+ pages of discussion, it's probably time for it to begin making an exit.
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 15
Tibetans 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14

God of Kings said:
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20 + 1 = 21 Totem poles are awesome and they also were responsible for the existence of redwood forests
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I think this is a great civ choice as well, but I hadn't heard the part about the redwoods. Do you remember where you found it?
 
How is Ukraine practically Russia? By this logic, Byzantium and Italy are merely Rome, and France and Germany are one and the same. And I already told how russian cossacks have nothing in common with ukrainian ones. By this logic, we wouldn't have all those musketman UUs.
Very sad and disappointed to see Ukraine go :sad:

Oh well, gotta vote again, I guess

Algonquian (Any) 7
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 15-3=12 (As was said before, there is no perfect solution to Celtic blob problem)
Georgians 22+1=23 (I really hope Firaxis noticed the whole Tamar meme and will eventually add her)
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 21
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4
Nepalese 13
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 11
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 15
Tibetans 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14
 
Algonquian (Any) 7+1=8. The Iroquois had their spotlight in V. Let the Algonquian have there time. We don't lack for tribe\place names either since they tend to be one in the same at least for the Virginia tribes ie Pamunkey, Mattaponi, Rappahannock, etc.
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 21
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4
Nepalese 13
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 11 -3 =8. Oman would be a better choice for a slightly different Arab Muslim Civ.
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 15
Tibetans 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14
 
Algonquian (Any) 8
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 21
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4 + 1 = 5 I think only one Andean civilization is not enough to represent the amount of cultures that exist there. Muisca would make a good civ, and could represent Colombia in the game.
Nepalese 13
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 8
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 15 - 3 = 12 I'm not particularly interested in them now.
Tibetans 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14
 
Algonquian (Any) 8
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13+1=14 - @Amrunril, it seems that we just won't agree on the HRE thing. Let's just say, I don't think that "Germany/HRE" can be enough to represent the Kingdom of Bohemia. It can represent most of HRE states since most of them were Germanic, spoke Germanic languages and had Germanic culture. Most of HRE's countries are represented by some Civ or City-State, but Bohemia is still missing. Let's call it a small exception, since it has a very little in common with Germany, because it's a Slavic country with different culture and different language. And if you need some achievements from non HRE era... it was one of the richest and most industrial parts of Austria-Hungary, before the great depression, Czechoslovakia (but mostly Czech parts of it, since most of Czechoslovak industry was in the Czech part of country, Slovakia was more agricultural and less developed) was one of the richest and most industrial countries in the whole world, it was one of the most developed countries in the Soviet sphere of influence during the Cold War and it was third country in the space. (When I was writing this, I remembered Tomáš Baťa, who could make a good Great Merchant. That man was a genius. He started as a regular shoemaker and in some 40 years he created great and prosperous firm that had, and even today has shops and factories all around the world, By the time of his death in an air accident, about 30000 people worked there)
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 21-3=18 - Woah woah woah. Not so fast. Yes, they have a very interesting culture and we're in a need of some Native American tribe from the North America, but I prefer some more significant choice.
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 5
Nepalese 13
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 8
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 12
Tibetans 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14
 
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Kimiimaro said:
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13+1=14 - @Amrunril, it seems that we just won't agree on the HRE thing. Let's just say, I don't think that "Germany/HRE" can be enough to represent the Kingdom of Bohemia. It can represent most of HRE states since most of them were Germanic, spoke Germanic languages and had Germanic culture. Most of HRE's countries are represented by some Civ or City-State, but Bohemia is still missing. Let's call it a small exception, since it has a very little in common with Germany, because it's a Slavic country with different culture and different language. And if you need some achievements from non HRE era... it was one of the richest and most industrial parts of Austria-Hungary, before the great depression, Czechoslovakia (but mostly Czech parts of it, since most of Czechoslovak industry was in the Czech part of country, Slovakia was more agricultural and less developed) was one of the richest and most industrial countries in the whole world, it was one of the most developed countries in the Soviet sphere of influence during the Cold War and it was third country in space. (When I was writing this, I remembered Tomáš Baťa, who could make a good Great Merchant. That man was a genius. He started as a regular shoemaker and in some 40 years he created great and prosperous firm that had, and even today has shops and factories all around the world, By the time of his death in an air accident, about 30000 people worked there)
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Toronto has a Bata Shoe Museum even.
 
Algonquian (Any) 8
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 12+1=13 I'd say a Gaulish civ would be a perfect solution to the prior Celtic blob.
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 18
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 5
Nepalese 13-3=10 My apologies to the Gurkhas.
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 8
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 12
Tibetans 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14
 
Algonquian (Any) 8
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 14 (13 + 1) The overlap with France is unfortunate, but the Gauls are a much better option than a Celtic blob civ lead by Boudicca from Edinburgh.
Georgians 20 (20 - 3) A tough choice, but I'd rather see an Armenian civ represent this region.
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 18
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 5
Nepalese 10
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 15
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 8
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 12
Tibetans 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14
 
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