Never Before Seen Leader Elimination

[conorbebe]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 21
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 17
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 14
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17 (20 - 3) I'd rather see more iconic figures such as Henry VIII personally.
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 22 (21 + 1) Just, all my yes. Give us more baddies please.
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 20
Kangxi (China) 21
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 17
Phillip II (Macedon) 17
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 20
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 20
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 20

 

[Phrozen]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 21
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 17
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 14
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 22
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 20
Kangxi (China) 21
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 17 + 1 =18. Greatest French king of the middle ages. Also could just be named Phillip Augustus.
Phillip II (Macedon) 17 - 3 = 14. How would he be different from Alexander?
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 20
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 20
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 20

 

[The Kingmaker]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 21
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 17
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 14-3=11 No thanks. Should be first out. Greece is already done.
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 22+1=23 Would be great for depicting a more reactionary Russia, a good contrast to Peter's progressive Russia.
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 20
Kangxi (China) 21
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 18
Phillip II (Macedon) 14
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 20
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 20
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 21
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 17
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 11-3=8 -
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 23
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 20
Kangxi (China) 21
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 18
Phillip II (Macedon) 14
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 20
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 20
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 20+1=21 - I'd like to see some other leader of Sumer than Gilgamesh, and as I don't see Puabi in this list, my vote goes to him.

 

[Guandao]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 21
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 17
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 8
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 23
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 20
Kangxi (China) 21
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 18+1=19 Prolly the greatest medieval French King, and Medieval French history is very interesting to me.
Phillip II (Macedon) 14
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 20-3=17 As much I as like him, (I remember his campaign in the Age of Empires 2 expansion), El Cid is more suited for being a Great General than a full fledged Civ leader.
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 20
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 21

 

[Manifold]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18 (21-3) who?
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 17
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 8
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 23
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21 (20+1) The only one for Poland I can imagine
Kangxi (China) 21
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19
Phillip II (Macedon) 14
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 20
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 21

 

[Morningcalm]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 17
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 8
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 23
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 21
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19
Phillip II (Macedon) 14 - 3 = 11 (Confusing if included in the game due to the current Spanish leader, and Alexander was better than Phillip II of Macedonia anyway, about whom no one cares.)
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 20
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 21 + 1 = 22 (An accomplished empire builder who died in an epic manner immortalized by Sumerians.)

 

[conorbebe]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 17
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 8
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 24 (23 + 1) Iconic.
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 21
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19
Phillip II (Macedon) 11
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17 (20 - 3) Not a Sumerian and didn't lead Sumer.
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[Phrozen]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 17+1 =18. Infrastructure and production focused American leader.
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 8
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 24
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 21
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19
Phillip II (Macedon) 11 - 3 = 8. At least Venizelos is from the modern era.
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[The Kingmaker]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 18
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 8-3=5 All Greek to me...
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20 He was the "Frederick" depicted in Civ2, so he's technically not "never-before-seen."
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 24+1=25 Can you imagine how awesome/hilarious/innovative it would be to have his agenda just be having two secret agendas? He'd be totally unpredictable every time!
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 21
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19
Phillip II (Macedon) 8
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[Morningcalm]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 18
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 5
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 25
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 21 + 1 = 22 (China's longest reigning monarch, and one of its greatest, with a keen edge in both military affairs and domestic civic duties.)
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19
Phillip II (Macedon) 8 - 3 = 5 (Not in Civ games as the main leader of Macedon/Greece for multiple reasons, not the least of which is his *MUCH* more accomplished son, Alexander.)
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[Manifold]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 19 (18+1) it is time for an atomic age leader now
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 5
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 25
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 22
Khosrow I (Persia) 20
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19
Phillip II (Macedon) 2 (5-3) a Diadochi would be much better
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[Guandao]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Re) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 19
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 5om
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 25
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 22
Khosrow I (Persia) (20+1)=21 You know he was a great king when his name in Persian has the same connotations as "Caesar" for the Romans.
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19
Phillip II (Macedon) 2-3=0 Philip II of Macedon is eliminated! I can live without a second leader for Macedon...
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[Kimiimaro]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 19
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 5-3=2 - NO MORE GREECE UNTIL THE RETURN OF BYZANTIUM!
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 25
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 22
Khosrow I (Persia) 21
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17
Thutmose III (Egypt) 21+1=22 - Great conqueror and, you guessed, a better choice than Cleopatra.
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[God of Kings]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 19
Eleftherios Venizelos (Greece) 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED Greece has too many leaders
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 25
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 22 + 1 = 23 May he reign for ten thousand years, ten thousand years, ten thousand of ten thousand years!
Khosrow I (Persia) 21
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17
Thutmose III (Egypt) 22
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[Phrozen]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 19
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 20 - 3 = 17. Not seeing how much different he is from Barbarossa.
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 25
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 23
Khosrow I (Persia) 21
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 19 + 1 = 20. Combat bonuses for France.
Cardinal Richelieu (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 17
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17
Thutmose III (Egypt) 22
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[_Hannibal_]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 19
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 17
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 25
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 23
Khosrow I (Persia) 21
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 14 (17-3) Never led Spain (Castille in this case). Carlos III (Charles III) is a better option for Spain, I mean, it could be an alternative victory for Spain, focused in Culture cause he was a really good illustred ruler.
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17
Thutmose III (Egypt) 23 (22+1) Interesting option, Egypt could be a powerfull early Civ domination.
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[The Kingmaker]

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 19
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 17-3=14 Already in Civ2, so not technically a never-before-seen leader.
Haakon IV (Norway) 20
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 25
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 23
Khosrow I (Persia) 21
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 14+1=15 Doesn't need to have led all of Spain, or even Castille in particular. He led Valencia, so he's still a Spanish leader. Spanish? Check. Leader? Check. Famous? Check. Big personality? You bet.
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 17
Thutmose III (Egypt) 23
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[Manifold]

@Phrozen: very very nice list by the way. only two things, 1. Sargon is not the hero king of Sumeria and 2. Frederick II was already in a Civ game. It is unfair that they were down voted because of this.

Bolesław I the Brave (Poland) 18
Diocletian (Rome) 20
Dwight D. Eisenhower (America) 19
Frederick II Stupor Mundi (Germany) 14
Haakon IV (Norway) 17 (20-3) never heard about him. The interesting part of the Norwegian history is the viking age. He was born too late.
Henry V (England) 17
Henry Parkes (Australia) 20
Ivan IV the Terrible (Russia) 25
Jan III Sobieski (Poland) 21
Kangxi (China) 23
Khosrow I (Persia) 21
Lucius Brutus (Rome) 21
Phillip II Augustus (France) 20
Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar (Spain) 15
Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) 18 (17+1) one of the most important human ever!
Thutmose III (Egypt) 23
Ur-Nammu (Sumeria) 22

 

[Phrozen]

Frederick II was just a portrait in Civ II just like everybody else. It wasn't until III that leaders actually really mattered to the players gameplay. So I would say it doesn't really count.

Sargon wasn't Sumerian but he did lead the Sumerian city states after he conquered them.