Never before seen wonders II - Elimination Thread

[God of Kings]

Bayt al-Hikma - 37
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 18 + 1 = 19 Yes to Ottomans
Oost-Indisch Huis - 36
Palace of Knossos - 29
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 16
Theatre of Sabratha - 12
Torre del Oro - 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED There are better towers than the Golden Tower
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Xandinho]

Bayt al-Hikma - 37
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 19 - 3 = 16 I'm not interested in seeing this as wonder more than most of the remaining structures.
Oost-Indisch Huis - 36
Palace of Knossos - 29 + 1 = 30 Great structure, I can still give upvotes for this for a while longer.
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 16
Theatre of Sabratha - 12
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Kimiimaro]

Bayt al-Hikma - 37
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 16
Oost-Indisch Huis - 36+1=37 - And now it has the same amount of points as two scientific wonders!
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 16
Theatre of Sabratha - 12-3=9 - The game deserves an ancient theatre wonder, but there are better theatres to pick.
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Siptah]

Bayt al-Hikma - 37
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 13 (16-3) I'm a big fan of Bazaars and whenever I find myself in a city with a notable one, I go there. I prefer less structured ones (e.g. Cairo, formerly Aleppo, Fez) to the more organized ones with specially built structures (e.g. Istanbul, Teheran), but you can make wonders out of the organized ones more easily - sadly. Nonetheless, I think that organized Bazaar structures were so common in the Ottoman empire, that they would really be better off as a Commercial Hub or market replacement. It wouldn't look that special on the map as well (but the same could be said for Bayt al-Hikma, which is however more unique).
Oost-Indisch Huis - 37
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 17 (16+1) A classical view of a wonder is that it needs to have beautiful and spectacular architecture. In this Elimination game, it seems to me that there is more of a focus on abilities and historical impact (which is good imho). Nonetheless, I want to give another vote to this wonder that is a wonder in the aforementioned classical view.
Theatre of Sabratha - 9
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Guandao]

Bayt al-Hikma - 37
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - (30+1)=31 It's a good choice for a scientific wonder. Maybe the Maya can have pyramids instead.
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 13
Oost-Indisch Huis - 37
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 17
Theatre of Sabratha - (9-3)=6 Likely not the best Greco-Roman theater wonder. I prefer Epidaurus.
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Xandinho]

Bayt al-Hikma - 37
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 31
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 13
Oost-Indisch Huis - 37 + = 38 For now, I think this is the best option for Dutch wonder.
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 17 - 3 = 14 Not very interested in comparison to most of the remaining wonders
Theatre of Sabratha - 6
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Kimiimaro]

Bayt al-Hikma - 37
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 31
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 13
Oost-Indisch Huis - 38+1=39 - Just one more point to be the first in the 40 club!
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 14
Theatre of Sabratha - 6-3=3 - There are better ancient theatres to choose.
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Guandao]

Bayt al-Hikma - 37
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 31
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 13
Oost-Indisch Huis - (39-3)=36 I cannot allow this symbol of Dutch imperialism to run away with the game. It doesn't even look interesting or beautiful.
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - (14+1)=15 Making sure it hangs on for a little longer.
Theatre of Sabratha - 3
Uraniborg - 37

 

[God of Kings]

Bayt al-Hikma - 37
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 31
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 13 + 1 = 14 Keeping Ottomans alive
Oost-Indisch Huis - 36
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 15
Theatre of Sabratha - 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED Not on the English Wikipedia, though Sabratha is
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Xandinho]

Bayt al-Hikma - 37 + 1 = 38 Very important and worthy.
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 31
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 14 - 3 = 11 Weaker of the remaining wonders. Better as UD of the Ottomans.
Oost-Indisch Huis - 36
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 15
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Kimiimaro]

Voting in this ET reminded me a quote from our Physics teacher about voting. We were trying to agree on a date for a test, and he proposed to us that we can vote about it. After we voted and agreed on it, he said: "Democracy is a great thing. I really like democracy. And that's why all of you have one vote and I, of course, have thirty-one of them!"
(Side note: We're thirty students in our class.)

Bayt al-Hikma - 38
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 31
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 11
Oost-Indisch Huis - 36+1=37 - Dutch imperialism, Dutch shimperialism... This still remains as the probably best Dutch wonder, and I'd like the two scientific wonders to have a competition
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 23
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 15-3=12 - Maybe a really good religious wonder, but among the weakest now.
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Morningcalm]

Bayt al-Hikma - 38
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 31
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 11
Oost-Indisch Huis - 37 - 3 = 24 (Not an impressive structure, more like a pretty building, which Europe has more of than dimes. Its history as the Dutch East India Trading Company's HQ is about the only reason this wonder remains in contention.)
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 23 + 1 = 24 (Must have been magnificent at its height. We don't have many Persian wonders either. Might be a nice counterbalance to all the Western wonders Civ typically has.)
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 12
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Guandao]

Bayt al-Hikma - 38
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - (31+1)=32 A second Mayan wonder can't hurt. It would be different from "Chichen Itza", a scientific structure.
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 11
Oost-Indisch Huis - (34-3)=31 I'm not too impressed by this structure or the Dutch East India Company. The Netherlands doesn't really need a wonder.
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā -24
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 12
Uraniborg - 37

 

[Xandinho]

Bayt al-Hikma - 38
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 32
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 11
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā -24
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 12 - 3 = 9 It would be a nice addition, but I'm more interested in most of the remaining wonders.
Uraniborg - 37 + 1 = 38 Balancing with Bayt al-Hikma

 

[Kimiimaro]

Bayt al-Hikma - 38
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 32 - @Guandao, Mayans don't really need two wonders
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 11
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31+1=32 - For its importance in history, the Netherlands deserve a wonder. And Oost-Indish Huis, although not visually the most impressive, was quite important, and I think it would make a good Dutch wonder.
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā -24
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 9-3=6 - The time has come.
Uraniborg - 38

 

[Guandao]

Bayt al-Hikma - 38
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - (32+1)=33 As the most important civilization in Mesoamerica, why can't the Maya have two wonders? The Greeks have multiple, and the Chinese have two. I still think it makes more sense for El Caracol to be a wonder instead of a unique building/district/improvement.
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - (11-3)=8 Taking a break from downvoting the Dutch East India Company HQ, I think the Bazaar should be a unique commercial hub for the Ottomans.
Oost-Indisch Huis - 32 The Netherlands is important in history? Surely not as important as France, Spain, England or Italy. Um...they conquered Indonesia, some islands in the Caribbean, a small piece of South America, North America (which they gave up to the English), Taiwan (for a time). What else?
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā -24
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 6
Uraniborg - 38

 

[Siptah]

Bayt al-Hikma - 38
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30 (33-3) There are many observatories of the maya still standing today. There aren't many clues that this one stood out of the crowd. It does today, because it is the best preserved and stands in a well documented city. I have nothing against an observatory as a mayan library replacement instead of a wonder
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 8
Oost-Indisch Huis - 33 (32+1) No, de dutch don't need a wonder. But the red brick architecture that is so defining for how we experience certain parts of Europe would be nice to have in the game (Ruhr Valley doesn't count since it's Bauhaus already). And this building was indeed build by one of the most famous pre-modern architects: Hendrick de Keyser.
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā -24
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 6
Uraniborg - 38

Spoiler :

The Netherlands is important in history? Surely not as important as France, Spain, England or Italy. Um...they conquered Indonesia, some islands in the Caribbean, a small piece of South America, North America (which they gave up to the English), Taiwan (for a time). What else?

I heavily disagree on this statement. First, you don't do the Netherlands justice by looking at their territory since their influence was of another kind. Not that impact on history etc. can be reliably assessed, but I consider the influence of the Netherlands on western society and culture to be of the same magnitude as that of the English or French. Protestant life really dwelled in only a few places at first, and nowhere to a similar success as in the Netherlands during their Golden Age. Fueled by the ideas of the reformation, the Dutch (and 'refugees' from other countries) revolutionized philosophy, individual rights & freedom, education, trade, "science", work ethics, shipbuilding, cuisine and arts. Their lifestyle differed heavily from that of the catholic countries of that time (and was years ahead of any other nation on the planet in development). Those ideas, as ideas do, spread and a lot of values that today are seen as typically British or American (or generally European) originated in the Netherlands at that time. I think it is hard to overestimate the impact of the Netherlands actually, it's just not talked about as much as is on the Italian Renaissance (although, gladly, the discussion about that changed a lot in the last decades). Since the changes are all correlated, you can easily observe how drastic the were by looking at the paintings of the time. Themes, meanings, styles, implications etc. are fundamentally different from all the paintings and reliefs since classical times, which is obvious at the very first glimpse. Or you could read up on the Dutch Republic if you are interested.

 

[Xandinho]

Bayt al-Hikma - 38
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30 I prefer this as a wonder. I think that Mayan Pyramids or Pyramids of Sacrifices are the best options for a unique infrastructure of the Maya.
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 8 - 3 = 5 Better as UD of the Ottomans
Oost-Indisch Huis - 33 + 1 = 34 Of course the Netherlands can get a wonder, if Brazil can have two, Australia got one and even Nubia got one, obviously the Dutch need one . And the Dutch are very important, in addition to their colonial conquests, they invented the stock market, right? I would like the midsize powers European to get wonders, like Portugal, Netherlands, Sweden and maybe Hungary...
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā -24
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 6
Uraniborg - 38

 

[God of Kings]

Spoiler :

I heavily disagree on this statement. First, you don't do the Netherlands justice by looking at their territory since their influence was of another kind. Not that impact on history etc. can be reliably assessed, but I consider the influence of the Netherlands on western society and culture to be of the same magnitude as that of the English or French. Protestant life really dwelled in only a few places at first, and nowhere to a similar success as in the Netherlands during their Golden Age. Fueled by the ideas of the reformation, the Dutch (and 'refugees' from other countries) revolutionized philosophy, individual rights & freedom, education, trade, "science", work ethics, shipbuilding, cuisine and arts. Their lifestyle differed heavily from that of the catholic countries of that time (and was years ahead of any other nation on the planet in development). Those ideas, as ideas do, spread and a lot of values that today are seen as typically British or American (or generally European) originated in the Netherlands at that time. I think it is hard to overestimate the impact of the Netherlands actually, it's just not talked about as much as is on the Italian Renaissance (although, gladly, the discussion about that changed a lot in the last decades). Since the changes are all correlated, you can easily observe how drastic the were by looking at the paintings of the time. Themes, meanings, styles, implications etc. are fundamentally different from all the paintings and reliefs since classical times, which is obvious at the very first glimpse. Or you could read up on the Dutch Republic if you are interested.

Spoiler :

Not just that, but the Netherlands is home to the first modern economic bubble: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulipmania

If the Dutch were to be a civ, then flowers (icon being tulips) should be a unique luxury resource.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Oost-Indisch Huis - 33 + 1 = 34 Of course the Netherlands can get a wonder, if Brazil can have two, Australia got one and even Nubia got one, obviously the Dutch need one . And the Dutch are very important, in addition to their colonial conquests, they invented the stock market, right? I would like the midsize powers European to get wonders, like Portugal, Netherlands, Sweden and maybe Hungary...

...Kingdom of Bohemia

Bayt al-Hikma - 38
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 5
Oost-Indisch Huis - 34+1=35 - I think it deserves to be in top three. It was HQ of VOC, which played an important role in the Dutch Empire. Also, the influences and accomplishments of the Netherlands are indeniable. Also, @Guandao, according to your location written in your profile, I expect you live in New York. New York was founded by the Dutch Empire
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā -24
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 6-3=3 - Its time has come. It was surely a magnificent temple, but I'm afraid I'd like to see other things here more.
Uraniborg - 38