New challenge: earliest possible UHVs

[Wessel V1]

Persia virtually done in turn 157 (245 AD I guess). I have to admit that the first part was very easy, since nobody researched both Bronze Working and Archery, so India and Babylon only had warriors. Shush was still independent, so I didn't get the extra units but they weren't really necessary. Egypt was rather strong and wealthy, with their (mercenary) swordsmen and archers they could resist the Immortals for a while, but in the end they got destroyed too. Another lucky thing was that Samarkand was still independent (!) and there was no barbarian unit around to destroy it (!!).
The wonder part was also quite easy. Nobody saw the benefits of the Oracle, so I grabbed Currency as my free tech. The Colossus, the Great Lighthouse and The Moai Statues were also mine (built in Sijaris, wonderful location), so my science rate was decent.

EDIT: Judaism is at 42%, never seen that before.
EDIT 2: Wrong save included, now fixed.

 

[blizzrd]

Persia virtually done in turn 157 (245 AD I guess).

Your save is from Turn 125 though? You will need to post either a screenshot or a save of the virtual UHV to get your name onto the first post.

In the posted save at Turn 125 (235BC) you only had 5.49% of land area, which isn't a virtual UHV.

 

[Virdrago]

Blizzrd: Does my Babylonian UHV count? I edited the post (#33) with a save and screenie. Not to whine or anything...

 

[blizzrd]

Blizzrd: Does my Babylonian UHV count? I edited the post (#33) with a save and screenie. Not to whine or anything...

Should be OK, but I can't check the save from here until I get back to my home PC. The screenshot says Turn 108 as opposed to Turn 107 though? I had thought that Babylon was only competitive as a virtual UHV though, isn't there a time limiting UHV which checks in a certain date? I'll have to have another look for myself I guess.

I don't usually make a trip through page 2 to check for edited posts, if you hadn't posted here at the end of the last page I wouldn't have known. Better to post any updated results at the end of this thread, from my perspective at least.

PS if you could update the Portuguese UHV situation that would be great. Mid-1900s AD is just a bit vague at the moment.

 

[Virdrago]

I took the screenshot the turn after the UHV. The save is from Turn 106, which is the turn before. Confusing, I know, but if you open the save and press enter, the "Hammurabi has won..." pops up.

Maybe it is a virtual UHV. It checks both Turns 84 and 94, so you're probably right. If someone is able to get both Monarchy and CoL before Turn 94, they are way better than me.

The Portuguese game was 1938 or 40 (according to the scoreboard), but I deleted the save. Please take my name off the list for that one, it wasn't very good. I'll redo it without letting the Spanish take my cities this time.

 

[Wessel V1]

I'm sorry, you're right that is not the right save. I'll re-upload it now. I think the Babylonian UHV is a virtual UHV, if all goals are achieved before the last "in" goal. So, turn 107 is not virtual, but turn 93 is, since it is not possible to actually win the game before turn 94.

 

[blizzrd]

I'm sorry, you're right that is not the right save. I'll re-upload it now. I think the Babylonian UHV is a virtual UHV, if all goals are achieved before the last "in" goal. So, turn 107 is not virtual, but turn 93 is, since it is not possible to actually win the game before turn 94.

Persia is a Virtual UHV also though, so the problem is that you have now update your save to be the time-limited date of the UHV. Your save is from Turn 165, which is the turn after the 2nd and 3rd Persian UHV conditions are checked (Turn 164), as stated in the civilopedia.

You have clearly met all three UHV requirements by Turn 164. But the question really is, when did you first get all of these requirements?

The first (8%) is checked on Turn 150 and the 2nd and 3rd are checked on Turn 164. But if you can post the first save which has you satisfying all of these and is before Turn 164, that is the definition of the virtual UHV.

I've partially updated the OP, and will wait for your reply to confirm when you actually got the Virtual Persian UHV.

 

[Wessel V1]

Damn, you're right again (saved over the saved game). Now, there is a possibility to check if you want to. Check the date when my second shrine was built (event manager I hope, it says that I was enjoying my Golden Age already). I'm sorry for so much confusion, next time I'll properly check and recheck everything to make sure everything is fine.

EDIT: Okay, I can now semi-officially confirm that I've virtually done the UHV in 245 AD. The Top 5 cities / wonders screen shows that the Temple of Solomon was constructed in 115 BC and that the Kashi Viswanath was constructed in 245 AD. And the replay shows that I already control the cities then. I hope this is enough for now.

 

[blizzrd]

Maybe it is a virtual UHV. It checks both Turns 84 and 94, so you're probably right. If someone is able to get both Monarchy and CoL before Turn 94, they are way better than me.

Under an older patch, I remember getting the UHV with the population check. This is why I assumed Babylon was a virtual UHV. Whether I could do this under the current patch though I don't know.

I've update the OP with your Babylon result now.

Unfortunately at the moment I only have time to follow thread in the forum, as opposed to actually playing games myself. I have a German game which I do believe will beat AP's virtual UHV date, but I have been "playing" it for over a month now and still haven't been able to finish! Two boys under 8 months (yes they are twins) is keeping me way too busy for me to play RFC just now. Hopefully this will eventually change though.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Didn't even get to use my Triumphal Arch.
Key trick for England is to whip and whip, build warriors for happiness and not hook up the iron until at least 2 warriors are in each city. Best early cities in Africa I think are Carthage and on the elephant--gets you contact with Mali and hooks you up with marble for Taj Mahal.
Tech: meditation-paper-calendar-guilds-astronomy-bulb education and printing press-liberalism to get free constution-partially bulbed SC/physics/electricity-radio, spawn great spy in Ireland and send to France to steal beaucoup techs. Trade for Divine Right from Mali. Built Sankore, Spiral Minaret, Taj Mahal, whipped Leaning Tower in Southampton, GE'd Forbidden Palace and Wembley near the end.

Very unusual game in that Russia built late Notre Dame (after 1200), Vikings built Wat Preah Pisnulok (believe me, France was the first to philosophy and I got it way before the Vikings did), and the Byzantines were still alive at the end.

Could probably be done in 1570 if:
1. You can liberate cities to vassals before you reach the 15 cities (i.e. don't need to keep all the cities until you've founded them)--somebody please clarify so I can go back and liberate them one by one as I found them)
2. I didn't get so many freaking vassals (Mali, Inca, Khmer, Portugal and Vikings).

Spoiler :

 

[Walliard]

1. You can liberate cities to vassals before you reach the 15 cities (i.e. don't need to keep all the cities until you've founded them)--somebody please clarify so I can go back and liberate them one by one as I found them)

Cities can be liberated/looted/egged/razed by Mongols/whatever and will still count towards the UHV. I don't think I ever had more than 10 cities in my 1703 victory.

 

[blizzrd]

1. You can liberate cities to vassals before you reach the 15 cities (i.e. don't need to keep all the cities until you've founded them)--somebody please clarify so I can go back and liberate them one by one as I found them)

Absolutely. They can be lost in any number of ways and it won't affect your UHV. The requirement is only that you must use 15 settlers to build 15 cities.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Well, you must NOT have your founded city (whether it belongs to you or not) razed at all costs. I was dumbfounded when after founding my last city I didn't get the 2/3 UHV, and I wasted 5 turns figuring out that it wasn't because the cow in southern India didn't belong to Asia (i.e. it does), nor is it because I liberated my cities as soon as I founded them (yes you can), it's because I gave Philadelphia to the Dutch and it was promptly razed by Indians the next turn. So Boston had to whip a settler out to New York to get the 2nd UHV criteria. I.e. this means I could have won a little earlier if not for this mishap and an unfortunate plague just as I was researching Astronomy in the 1300's.

This time round I had France, Mali, Inca and Khmer as vassals, Inca having first vassalized to Spain who declared war on me, made peace and switched sides to me. Spain declared a second time and collapsed (Portugal was Germany's vassal and I had a DP with Germany).

Egged?

Spoiler :

 

[Walliard]

Odd, I'm pretty sure one of the cities I gave to Mali was razed...

 

[Tigranes]

British Empire without London looks so pale
And no British presence in Australia -- blizzrd should not accept this game

 

[AnotherPacifist]

British Empire without London looks so pale
And no British presence in Australia -- blizzrd should not accept this game

Oh it was present there, just all converted to local Khmer. In fact Khmer had the 3rd largest empire (it had all of eastern India, Philippines, Australia plus its own territory).

Southampton has a much more ancient history compared to London (see wikipedia). Plus it leaves much more room for Newcastle, and Plymouth sucks big time with production. Its access to the Channel makes it much more desirable for sending off settlers (compared to the bend Londoners have to make around the corner). Southampton rocks!

 

[blizzrd]

Southampton rocks!

I agree. As per a post I made in the strategy thread a while back, I always build Southampton over London. If you get a religion early enough and the French don't build Rheims you can ensure that your culture gets you access to the Dye across the English Channel when your 3rd border expansion kicks in.

 

[blizzrd]

And no British presence in Australia -- blizzrd should not accept this game

I don't harbour any sentiments towards the British Empire being in Australia. I voted for a Republic during the referendum, not our continued Constitutional Monarchy.

In fact, I think I'd already updated the OP before you made this post.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

It really is 1500 even though the screen says 1505 because on the same turn that my golden age struck, Arabia, China and Khmer all declared on me, and I killed 2 extra boats then.
With all the longbowmen and preloaded axemen that Rhye gave the Vikings, you don't even have to build any catapults to kill the Anglo-Saxons at spawn: I lost only an axeman.
Whipped a settler out from Mexico and founded my American city the same turn I got my 5000 gold.
About to finish liberalism and get military science for privateers when I won.
And in case you're wondering why my science looks almost looks unmonarchy, it's because I'm in GA and have the Univ. of Sankore.

Spoiler :

 

[Fierabras]

AnotherPacifist, how did you manage to sink the ships that early? Lots of naval war declarations?